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Posted by kustommodeler1 on Wednesday, February 3, 2010 3:52 PM

Correct for the most part, but which test and why?

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Posted by A10wrthg on Wednesday, February 3, 2010 1:47 PM

they didnt pass the US crash test

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Posted by kustommodeler1 on Wednesday, February 3, 2010 12:47 AM

joelster

2 guesses...............

1.They were never crash tested here.

2.They never emission tested here.

 

Nope, but guess #1 has a key word.............

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Posted by joelster on Tuesday, February 2, 2010 5:58 AM

2 guesses...............

1.They were never crash tested here.

2.They never emission tested here.

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Posted by kustommodeler1 on Tuesday, February 2, 2010 12:47 AM

No, not that. Anything that can be made in right hand drive can be made left hand too.Smile Burger

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Posted by simpilot34 on Monday, February 1, 2010 1:00 AM

Is it the same reason the Skyline can't be sold in the US market? Because of the engineering of them, it would be impossible to produce them in the left hand drive configuration?

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Posted by kustommodeler1 on Sunday, January 31, 2010 1:52 PM

WOO HOO! I was just guessing....... I had to get modern airship out of my mind and think of the old zeppelins. Chrysler switched from Saginaw to ZF for power steering pumps gradually over a few year span starting in the late '80s

 

OK here's my Question:  From 1985 to 1989 Toyota, and from 1989 to 1993 Nissan both had some attractive cars called the Carina ED and Laurel respectively. Why could they not sell them in the U.S. market?

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Posted by Milairjunkie on Sunday, January 31, 2010 7:42 AM

Yes, correct.

ZF was set up due to the requirement of compact, hard wearing gears specifcally for Zeppelin airship power units, & I belive Zeppelin himself was involved in the founding of the company, & of course the C4 gained a ZF box in 1989.

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Posted by kustommodeler1 on Sunday, January 31, 2010 12:04 AM

The gear sets for both were built by ZF Friedrichshafen AG, or just ZF for short.

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Posted by simpilot34 on Saturday, January 30, 2010 9:08 PM

Did Lotus make the gear reduction for the props on the airship?

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Posted by Milairjunkie on Saturday, January 30, 2010 7:52 PM

Its has to do with the transmission.

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Posted by kustommodeler1 on Saturday, January 30, 2010 6:57 PM

Milairjunkie

Well it isn't because Lotus assisted with the airship, & I also doubt you will find a cartspring on an airship.

Anyways, ther connection between C4 ZR-1 & the airship is connected to the vehicles powertrain - **it also turns out that this connection is not applicable only to the ZR-1, but C4s 1989 onwards** (my mistake).

 

They both have parts made by Good-Year?

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Posted by simpilot34 on Thursday, January 28, 2010 8:39 AM

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Well, that's what differences are for. I grew up in the car industry, specifically GM, and the parts of my youth that weren't misspent were well spent in the dealership garages. I've wrenched on quite a few muscle cars as well. I used the Wikipedia article as a reference solely because it appears first in a search for references.

How about Super Chevy Magazine? Would you accept their description of the first big block being the 348/409 W series? Or maybe Peter Sessler's book "Ultimate American V-Eight Engine Data Book, 1948-1974, this excerpt from page 49, Chapter 6, Chevrolet W-Series Engines 348, 409 & 427 (emphasis mine):

Almost at the heels of the successful small-block V-8s, Chevrolet came out with a big-block engine that would develop more low end torque for large passenger cars and trucks. Rather than just make a bigger version of the small-block, Chevrolet decided to experiment, and the result was the W-series big-block with its unusual cylinder head desing. In 1958, Chevrolet released the first version of its new Turbo-Thrust engine, which measured 348 cid.

As the development of the big block progressed, GM retroactively dubbed the "W" series the Mark I. The Mark II was an experimental engine used by Junior Johnson at Daytona in 1963, which qualified fastest, but did not finish. The Mark III never got off the design bench. GM called the Mark IV block "Generation 2", to differentiate from their first attempt with the "W" series. The Mark IV was the first big block to be called a "Rat Motor" as opposed to the small block "Mouse Motor". Want to make a 481 cid engine? Put a crankshaft from a 454 into a 409 block. Go ahead, they bolt right in without any modifications. Indeed, many of the parts from the "W" series were used in the Mark IV engines.

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Posted by Bgrigg on Wednesday, January 27, 2010 12:20 PM

Well, that's what differences are for. I grew up in the car industry, specifically GM, and the parts of my youth that weren't misspent were well spent in the dealership garages. I've wrenched on quite a few muscle cars as well. I used the Wikipedia article as a reference solely because it appears first in a search for references.

How about Super Chevy Magazine? Would you accept their description of the first big block being the 348/409 W series? Or maybe Peter Sessler's book "Ultimate American V-Eight Engine Data Book, 1948-1974, this excerpt from page 49, Chapter 6, Chevrolet W-Series Engines 348, 409 & 427 (emphasis mine):

Almost at the heels of the successful small-block V-8s, Chevrolet came out with a big-block engine that would develop more low end torque for large passenger cars and trucks. Rather than just make a bigger version of the small-block, Chevrolet decided to experiment, and the result was the W-series big-block with its unusual cylinder head desing. In 1958, Chevrolet released the first version of its new Turbo-Thrust engine, which measured 348 cid.

As the development of the big block progressed, GM retroactively dubbed the "W" series the Mark I. The Mark II was an experimental engine used by Junior Johnson at Daytona in 1963, which qualified fastest, but did not finish. The Mark III never got off the design bench. GM called the Mark IV block "Generation 2", to differentiate from their first attempt with the "W" series. The Mark IV was the first big block to be called a "Rat Motor" as opposed to the small block "Mouse Motor". Want to make a 481 cid engine? Put a crankshaft from a 454 into a 409 block. Go ahead, they bolt right in without any modifications. Indeed, many of the parts from the "W" series were used in the Mark IV engines.

So long folks!

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Posted by Milairjunkie on Wednesday, January 27, 2010 11:48 AM

Well it isn't because Lotus assisted with the airship, & I also doubt you will find a cartspring on an airship.

Anyways, ther connection between C4 ZR-1 & the airship is connected to the vehicles powertrain - **it also turns out that this connection is not applicable only to the ZR-1, but C4s 1989 onwards** (my mistake).

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Posted by joelster on Wednesday, January 27, 2010 11:05 AM

Bgrigg, I can accept your disagreement, but really........348's and 409's were never called "big-blocks". I don't care what wikipedia says. I am a car junkie and have owned/own 6 Z28's, wrenched on a zillion other cars, and been around them my whole life. Big block Chevies are MarkIV +. 396/402/427/454etc.....

The very last big-block rolled off the assembly line months ago at Tonawanda (2 miles from me), and that 8100 motor still has some parts compatibility with the 1965 396, even though it went through several upgrades. Both motors look very similar when you take off the accessories.

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Posted by Bgrigg on Wednesday, January 27, 2010 10:46 AM

Neither handle all that well? Big Smile

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Posted by A10wrthg on Wednesday, January 27, 2010 10:32 AM

they are both extremely powerful and supercharged?

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Posted by Milairjunkie on Monday, January 25, 2010 3:47 AM

Some controversy!

Anyway, what connects the Corvette ZR-1 (amongst other vehicles) with the airship?

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Posted by Bgrigg on Sunday, January 24, 2010 8:04 PM

Sorry, Joelster, but I respectfully disagree. They were the first big block engine. From Wikipedia (emphasis mine):

The first ever production big block V8 Chevrolet engine was the "W" series, released in 1958 for passenger car and truck use. This engine was an overhead valve design, with offset valves and unique scalloped rocker covers, giving it a distinctive appearance. The "W" series was produced from 1958 to 1965, with three displacements offered: 348 cubic inches (5.7 L), available from 1958 to 1961 in cars and through 1964 in trucks; 409 cubic inches (6.7 L), available from 1961 to 1965; and 427 cubic inches (7.0 L), available only in 1963.

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Posted by joelster on Sunday, January 24, 2010 7:47 PM

348/409 aren't big-blocks. They are "W" blocks. They were bigger than small-blocks, but nobody considers them 'big-blocks", they simply have their own "W" designation.

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Posted by simpilot34 on Sunday, January 24, 2010 7:07 PM

Milairjunkie

They started in truck's & are now being fitted in trucks again?

BINGO!!! The 348 W-Series engine that was put into the '58 Impala started out as a truck engine with a higher intake manifold, tweaked and tuned was then used as the first big-block engine put into production. Which lead to the 409, upon reaching it's limit because of design the 396 was born in '65. Development of the big-block reaching the 454 by 1970. With the decline of the muscle car, the 454 was then used in trucks. Hence, the design and development came full circle.

Over to you Milair!!!

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Posted by joelster on Sunday, January 24, 2010 2:48 PM

They didn't start in trucks. They started in NASCAR and qualified 1-2-3. The first one installed in a production vehicle was the 396/425hp Vette and Z16 Chevelle in 1965. Not sure what you mean by come full circle, but the last one rolled off of the Tonawanda assembly plant a few months ago.

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Posted by Milairjunkie on Sunday, January 24, 2010 2:07 PM

They started in truck's & are now being fitted in trucks again?

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Posted by simpilot34 on Saturday, January 23, 2010 7:27 PM

Hint: They didn't start, or end up in the vehicles they made famous.

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Posted by simpilot34 on Thursday, January 21, 2010 8:27 PM

Don't know if I'm wording this right but here goes,

How did Chevrolet's big-block performance engines come full-circle in their design and use?

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Posted by Camaroaddict on Thursday, January 21, 2010 10:32 AM

Simpilot, you are correct, and you have the podium!

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Posted by Bgrigg on Thursday, January 21, 2010 6:36 AM

What a timely question! Bob Tasca, Sr. passed away on January 8th, 2010 at the age of 83.

Mr. Tasca not only created the 428CJ, but coined the term "Win on Sunday, Sell on Monday".

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Posted by simpilot34 on Wednesday, January 20, 2010 8:48 PM

Was it Eric Dahlquist in the March 1968 Hot Rod magazine?

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Posted by Camaroaddict on Wednesday, January 20, 2010 7:49 PM

In sticking with FoMoCO products...

In 1968, Tasca Ford produced a one-off 428 powered mustang, that a certain magazine writer drove,loved and later proclaimed in an article that Ford should build this car.  He even included ballots and the Address for  Edsel Ford in Detroit that could be mailed to him to convice Ford to produce the car and have a street weapon capable of competing with the big-block Camaros and Mopar's.

 

Who was the magazine writer that helped launch the 428CJ mustang, and what magazine did he write for???

 

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