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1 model = 1 model company?
Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, March 26, 2003 3:29 AM
HI i have a question... is that every car's model can only be made by 1 model company?? (hm.. my question sounds a bit confusing)

for example.. is that the Honda S2000 can only be made by Tamiya and no other company has the right to make any model kits for this car???

Or does it only apply to Japanese car? or it's not true at all?
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Posted by midnightprowler on Wednesday, March 26, 2003 4:11 AM
It's not true at all. AMT and Revell/Monogram have 57 Chevies, both have Mustamgs, both have Camaros, etc. As long as they have purchased the rights from the auto manufacturors, they can do them.
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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, March 26, 2003 4:28 AM
But how about japanese cars? cos i have yet to see a japanese car made by 2 different companies
it's normally either Tamiya or Fujimi?

or it's just the companies don't want to make the same car because of some commercial reasons?
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Posted by midnightprowler on Wednesday, March 26, 2003 4:37 AM
I guess I don't know what the laws in Japan are. Maybe try wtiting to the respective model companies? Good luck.
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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, March 26, 2003 5:01 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by midnightprowler

As long as they have purchased the rights from the auto manufacturors, they can do them.

Interesting. I never thought about it, but do the kit manufacturers have to really purchase rights from the auto manufacturers? I guess there would be the trademark/copyright thing with the make/model of the car. Still, something that never crossed my mind one bit.

What about military vehicles?
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Posted by djmodels1999 on Wednesday, March 26, 2003 5:08 AM
Some do... Boeing for instance require model manufacturers (and toy manufacturers) to pay royalties (that's why some kits sport the mention 'TM' after the Boeing title. Airbus Industries on the other hand have always indicated that they take Airbus scale models and toys as an indication of their popularity, free advertising, and they do not want to charge kids and modeler for it... As far as I know, Porsche is doing the same as Boeing.

Obviously, Boeing and Porsche do not want their names and logos to be applied to unrealistic representations of their products. They are protecting their image.

There's good and bad in the two options...
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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, March 26, 2003 6:27 AM
There are two reasons that companies require model manufacturers to "license" the right to produce the kits.

One is for royalty income, they feel they are entitled to a return on the use of their trademarks and trade dress (design)...this is their right.

Two is legal protection. Several years ago Boeing was sued over an injury to a child from a die cast Boeing replica that Boeing had no part of, no knowledge of and had not recieved any payment for. Requiring a license provides the trademark holder with some protection. I held a Ford Motor Company licnese for restoration parts and some other items that were covered by Ford trademarks. I was required to have insurance that named Ford as an additional insured and pay Ford a royalty, 7.5 % in that case. Ford inspected my operation, tested the product, required samples and proof of a quality control system plus a lot of documentation. A plus side was that I had access to original Ford blueprints and speciifcations.

The license issues are both good and bad for the modelling community, several small cottage industry types are chancing it as they do not have licenses and need to "fly under the radar" to escape the wrath of the corporate lawyers! The upside is that many manufacturer must approve a sample of the product, keeps some shoddy stuff of the shelves.

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Posted by djmodels1999 on Wednesday, March 26, 2003 6:41 AM
Thanks for that, Rick. It all makes sense.
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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, March 26, 2003 12:22 PM
hasegawa and tamiya both do the ford focus WRC and Toyota World Ralley Cars so it might just be if theres a market for two companys to make them
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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, March 26, 2003 4:50 PM
There's no reason why there couldn't be an 'exclusive' agreement. Perhaps the kit maker is willing to pay extra to the auto manufacturer to be the 'exclusive' builder/distributor? I heard a while back that Mattel had signed an agreement with Ferrari to become the 'exclusive' provider of all Ferrari branded toy items (including model kits). Obviously I heard wrong, or the kit manufacturers are getting a license from Mattel to produce the various Ferrari kits that have been coming out lately.

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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, March 26, 2003 8:31 PM
Mattel doe hold an "exclusive" with Ferrari, however they "sub-license" to companies that have products that do not directly compete with them,i.e. the $4000.00 die casts, etc.
Plus as Mattel does not do plastic kits they license the Japanese kits and others to fill the gap, they still get paid!

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Posted by aitala on Wednesday, April 30, 2003 2:09 AM
Incorrect - Mattel's license did not include Ferrari model kits - I contacted Ferrari and Mattel Directly about this issue.

QUOTE: Originally posted by Mark IV

Mattel doe hold an "exclusive" with Ferrari, however they "sub-license" to companies that have products that do not directly compete with them,i.e. the $4000.00 die casts, etc.
Plus as Mattel does not do plastic kits they license the Japanese kits and others to fill the gap, they still get paid!

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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, April 30, 2003 6:40 AM
aitala,

I stand corrected! When I had reard the initial press release from Mattel when they did the deal it made it sound as if Mattel had total exclusive rights for all scale Ferraris.

Regardless, the point is that the manufacturers are requiring licenses for replicas.

I do remember reading in the mid 60's that someone from Ferrari had written on "Sefac Ferrari" letterhead some of the slot car manufacturers in the US requesting "several samples for review"....the general thought was that it was someone at the factory trying to score some free slot cars, not a legal or licensing ploy!

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Posted by leemitcheltree on Wednesday, April 30, 2003 9:34 AM
Yes,
I'd heard a few years ago that Mattel was at one stage going to have exclusive rights to all Ferrari makes and models - and subsequently all Tamiya F1 Ferrari kits doubled in price and then disappeared from the shelves, practically overnight.
Licensing can be a real pain for a model manufacturer - imagine suing Boeing because some idiot lets little 2 year old Johnny near his workbench and the kid swallows and chokes on an engine or a nosecone from a 747 - there's far too many lawyers in this world and far too many people who refuse to accept responsibility for their own actions or errors.
P.S. Sorry to any lawyers out there for the crack about there being too many of you, but I'd like everyone to check out
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and you might agree with me.

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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, April 30, 2003 5:41 PM
Would that be why there are so few Land Rover models out there?
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, May 1, 2003 12:44 PM
As Japanese cars go, both Tamiya and Revellogram released models of the MX-5 Miata. The Tamiya offering is curbside, while the U.S. kit has an engine. These two companies also did their own renditions of the NS-X.

Monogram did the first-generation RX-7, and I cannot recall seeing a good 1:24 one from anyone else. It had a Wankel and all.
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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, May 6, 2003 9:01 PM
As japanese model cars goes, let's see,
The current mitsubishi lancer Evo series had been produced as model kits by both Hasegawa and Tamiya, though Tamiya begun production later on with the Evo V series.
Both Tamiya and Fujimi made models of the nissan skyline (all trims) at the same time. And I think so did Aoshima.

As for the 1st gen RX-7, Tamiya also did a model of it, very long time ago.

Actually, after looking at some older kit boxes, I'm wondering if Monogram actually do it's own molding, mainly because some of their models are actually reboxed Fujimi's or Tamiya's.
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Posted by midnightprowler on Wednesday, May 7, 2003 4:26 AM
Monogram's 1st gen RX-7 is their own tooling. It has complete detail, where Tamiya's was a curbside kit.
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