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What is the most efficient way to paint faces with good results?

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Posted by Cosmic J on Monday, August 31, 2009 11:25 PM

I demonstrate how i paint faces here:

 /forums/1048067/ShowPost.aspx

At 25mm scale, these guys are only about an inch tall. You can get good results on small figures, you just have to practice it a bit.

 

 

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Posted by *INDY on Monday, August 31, 2009 8:48 PM
 modelchasm wrote:

The article isn't the greatest ... that we agree. However, Jim's technique isn't flawed, it works for him and he doesn't get bad results from it ....

With that said, I think that I need to touch on something for a sec ...... I think that a lot of people here have lost sight of the fact that someone's technique differs from others just as much as opinions do. Opinions, as are techniques, are not right or wrong .... they are what they are ... so let's please try to stay away from saying that someone's technique is flawed ... shall we.

At least for me, I think that the biggest thing(s) that due this article injustice is 1) A one-pager is NOT a how-to, and 2) Showing close-ups of a figure's face in progress is always an ugly sight. Even a finished face, IMO, shown close-up looks horrible. Just go back and look at ALL of my completed figures ... when you look at the progress shots taken of the faces, they all look retarded! But these are scale figures .... you're not supposed to stick your nose 3" from the fig to look at it. In the article, on the preceeding page, it says that all the figs on the Stuart were painted using this particular tech., and they don't look half bad ... why, b/c the camera is set back and not zoomed in.

... lastly .... if you go back and look at the article again .... he didn't even use the "how-to" figure in the Stuart to begin with!?!

  Oh Great ! Indy has to come back to comment.     Cool [8D]  Actually you have required it.  ~    So M.C. (Scott?) , you are saying that (in your opinion) opinions are neither good nor bad, neither right or wrong, nor is any one opinion a better opinion or a lesser opinion? Is that right? Do I have it? ~ Well (in my opinion) you are very wrong. What would be the point of having experts if thier opinions were no better? Here's a clear example to PROVE my point.  Your car won't start. You can't figure out what's wrong with it. Do you call a mechanic? Or ask your Mom? Do you ask some guy that happens to be walking by? Even if you have a friend to call that knows all about cars, you're still looking for an answer(opinion?) about what's wrong with your car from someone who's likely to have a better(more valuable,accurate,learned,useful)opinion than say the the guy dropping off your mail, or driving the bus you just had to catch. You may even know(or not know) the mechanic in town that seems to form the (best) opinions and cost you the least amount of (cash,hassle,uncertainty,time lost) <<---reasons to get a GOOD opinion. Sure anyone you ask may have an opinion, what's the value of that opinion? ---->IS a factor you'll wanna know.                 ~ Now , our language has developed so that I can say "Hey, it's a nice day" and I don't have to always say  "Hey in my opinion, it's a nice day". <--how weak is that? Seems to be the kind of language you are requiring. Sure I'm giving my opinion(it's taken for granted)and I'm no more an expert on nice days than you are, and I guess thats what you're kinda getting at. (there is an artist element here saying 'there is no right or wrong way') In a sense/ that can be true(in relation to an artistic choice) BUT, in answer to a technical question , a technical answer MAY be of more value than(it doesnt matter, do whatever you want.

The Thread here is:What is the most efficient way to paint faces with good results?   It's not what's the best way? Or  a better way than in that new FSM article(though he kinda asks that in the short text)  That's where I went wrong, right? Why put links to some great head painting articles in response to that? I should have just answered   : A spray can        Thats the most efficient way.      Good results --just a matter of opinion.

"the article isn't the greatest"  = An understatement

"Jim's technique isn't flawed "    It IS as shown in that article.       Maybe the article was ruined in editing.

"He does'nt get bad results"     Well. that is the subjective part.  (I said I liked the Mag cover) There are many, many painters that have written much better tutorials.(Even basic ones)  If Jim was here now, I'd just like to ask him how in blazes HE got the gig.    Somebody who's faces look good at ANY focal length, even close-up, isn't hard to find- (nice links A.J.) and the editors shoulda tried IMO if the cover is gunna say "Finish faces like a pro-"

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  • From: East TX
Posted by modelchasm on Monday, August 31, 2009 3:56 PM
 camo junkie wrote:

i no longer offer opinions just thumbs up Thumbs Up [tup] this way everyone is happy all the world is smiling and tinkerbell and fuzzy happy little elves dance in circles singing tra-la-la-la-la!!!! i didnt read the article or the mag so i cant comment which is y my tut is up there as it's all i have...right or wrong! Big Smile [:D]

Thumbs Up [tup] .... Big Smile [:D]

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Posted by camo junkie on Monday, August 31, 2009 1:44 PM

i no longer offer opinions just thumbs up Thumbs Up [tup] this way everyone is happy all the world is smiling and tinkerbell and fuzzy happy little elves dance in circles singing tra-la-la-la-la!!!! i didnt read the article or the mag so i cant comment which is y my tut is up there as it's all i have...right or wrong! Big Smile [:D]

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  • From: East TX
Posted by modelchasm on Monday, August 31, 2009 1:20 PM
 ajlafleche wrote:

Ain't Texas Cowboy [C):-)]got globes? (Oh, where we could go with this diversion! Whistling [:-^] )

... allllllll-riiiight .... getting into "hurtin' feelin's" territory ... (HAHA!!!)

I completely agree w/ you AJ ... I have no idea what FSM was thinking w/ this article. I've alread sent a comment to the editor about it.

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Posted by ajlafleche on Monday, August 31, 2009 12:52 PM

If the author were posting here, I'd respond (if at all) differently, but what upsets me is the fact that this method is essentially being promoted (front page headline and all) by a mag which people use as nearly gospel...Look at how many posts on the correct way to do a sludge wash showed up after this was placed in the mag.

As to Marion's paint work...always a major inspiration. I've had the pleasure of meeting her and Alan at a few figure shows, very nice and supportive people.

 modelchasm wrote:

.... now I know the Earth isn't flat! ... but why then are maps flat? Laugh [(-D]

Ain't Texas Cowboy [C):-)]got globes? (Oh, where we could go with this diversion! Whistling [:-^] )

Remember, if the women don't find you handsome, they should at least find you handy.

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Posted by modelchasm on Monday, August 31, 2009 12:13 PM

WHAT!!?!?!?! The Earth ISN'T FLAT!!!!! Shock [:O] ....

Laugh [(-D]

As far as opinions go ... the saying still goes "like ____holes, everbody's got one" ... right or wrong. For me personally, I was taught never to just tell someone that their opinion was wrong. Its rude and inconsiderate. If someone has the opinion that the earth is flat, then they are ignorant and yes, as you pointed out, should be taught. However, all too often people just boost up and declare that, "hey, your opinion/ or technique is wrong," and they just leave it at that .... or it blows up into an arguement b/c people in this day and age can't have a discussion anymore. It always HAS to boil down to an "I'm right and you're wrong" conclusion.

That's just the point that I was trying to make ...

As far as the close-ups/ in progress shots, I was talking about progress shots from MY figure builds .... but, now thanks to you posting that link from Timelines, I now know that my figures all suck. I have since feed them to the garbage disposal gods and have taken up drooling as a hobby. Dunce [D)]

Thanks again for you input as well .... now I know the Earth isn't flat! ... but why then are maps flat? Laugh [(-D]

"If you're not scratching, you're not trying!"  -Scott

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Posted by ajlafleche on Monday, August 31, 2009 11:39 AM

Sorry, Scott, I have to disagree with you on this. I just came across this posting at Timelines. I don't know the guy, but here's a serious close up and a much cleaner job than the article offers.

 modelchasm wrote:

 Opinions, as are techniques, are not right or wrong .... they are what they are ... so let's please try to stay away from saying that someone's technique is flawed ... shall we.

Sometimes, opinions are quite flawed. If it's my opinion that the earth is flat and I believe that in spite of all the evidence to the contrary, I'm still wrong. If the author is happy with his results, that's fine. The problem is that it's no longer just his taste, but a major magazine saying this is how to paint a face. The ancient Testors' instruction sheets had better face painting informationback in the early 80's.

I maintain that one should learn (and be taught) the best methods to achieve good results.

when you look at the progress shots taken of the faces, they all look...
pretty bad.

In progress pics? Yeah, they ain't purty by any means. But here's http://www.mb-miniatures.com/port/index.php?HenryVIII]another SBS with in progress shots.

Remember, if the women don't find you handsome, they should at least find you handy.

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  • From: East TX
Posted by modelchasm on Monday, August 31, 2009 9:24 AM

The article isn't the greatest ... that we agree. However, Jim's technique isn't flawed, it works for him and he doesn't get bad results from it ....

With that said, I think that I need to touch on something for a sec ...... I think that a lot of people here have lost sight of the fact that someone's technique differs from others just as much as opinions do. Opinions, as are techniques, are not right or wrong .... they are what they are ... so let's please try to stay away from saying that someone's technique is flawed ... shall we.

At least for me, I think that the biggest thing(s) that due this article injustice is 1) A one-pager is NOT a how-to, and 2) Showing close-ups of a figure's face in progress is always an ugly sight. Even a finished face, IMO, shown close-up looks horrible. Just go back and look at ALL of my completed figures ... when you look at the progress shots taken of the faces, they all look retarded! But these are scale figures .... you're not supposed to stick your nose 3" from the fig to look at it. In the article, on the preceeding page, it says that all the figs on the Stuart were painted using this particular tech., and they don't look half bad ... why, b/c the camera is set back and not zoomed in.

... lastly .... if you go back and look at the article again .... he didn't even use the "how-to" figure in the Stuart to begin with!?!

"If you're not scratching, you're not trying!"  -Scott

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Posted by *INDY on Sunday, August 30, 2009 12:07 AM
 ajlafleche wrote:

Quite simply, that article was useless: the results would be marginally acceptable from a 6 year old using 1970's vintage Tamiya blob faces. It uses what appears to be a Hornet head that cries for detailing and careful painting and over paints it with what appear to be too heavy coats. Bodge provided a really good acrylic tutorial here a couple weeks ago. What's kind of sad, is the author has a very nice Stuart that is bought down by this primitive technique.

No kidding. That article is horrible. Horrendous. so is the painting of the example.( It says it's a Tamiya Fig., A.J.) Why he would choose to demo on  a cheap x-tra from his spares box-who knows? If he had started with a Hornet head he may have had a chance (to show us the most basic technique like I used when I was 7 !) The article is subtitled "finish faces like a pro" Cool [8D] a pro what? Golf pro? Now I'd say the figures on the tank look fine in the carefully lit photos on the tank. The cover is a good looking cover. I'd hate to hear what newcomers to FSM think when they turn to that article. Probably couldn't print it.

Oh and for someone that wants to read a great 1/35 head painting article, here's a page full of several :

  http://www.missing-lynx.com/articles/articles_figures.htm

And...here's one of the best you'll find on painting heads with acrylics, at Vallejo :

  http://www.acrylicosvallejo.com/asp-inc/_modelis.asp?p1=ing&p2=modelcolortecnicas

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  • From: Massachusetts
Posted by ajlafleche on Saturday, August 29, 2009 6:47 PM

Quite simply, that article was useless: the results would be marginally acceptable from a 6 year old using 1970's vintage Tamiya blob faces. It uses what appears to be a Hornet head that cries for detailing and careful painting and over paints it with what appear to be too heavy coats. Bodge provided a really good acrylic tutorial here a couple weeks ago. What's kind of sad, is the author has a very nice Stuart that is bought down by this primitive technique.

Skimping on a figure's face is, IMHO, quite foolish. As humans, we are pretty much hardwired to recognize faces and facial patterns, heck, we see them in clouds and smoke, tree knots, water satins and burnt grilled cheese sandwiches.

Take the time and learn to do this right and you'll be happier with your end results and those who see your faces will respond very well to your efforts.

Remember, if the women don't find you handsome, they should at least find you handy.

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  • From: clinton twp, michigan
Posted by camo junkie on Saturday, August 29, 2009 4:02 PM

it's all a matter of preference. this subject has been discussed and debated a million times. so, tell you what, if your interested, i have tutorial on painting modern soldiers posted in here perhaps on the next page by now. there is also a figure painting "contest" around the same area. in there are a bunch of links as well as modelchasm's acrylic painting you could check out. ultimately, there is no wrong or right way but the way you want to do it with the type of paints that give you your best results!

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What is the most efficient way to paint faces with good results?
Posted by total american patriot on Saturday, August 29, 2009 2:29 PM
Im trying to decide whether to paint with oil paints or with enamels like in the 5 steps to paint figures in the new fsm. Is there any other way? and what is the better technique?

 

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