Looking for a a German Flak crew firing

So far the figures I have for this are, 

warriors, SS grenadier waking, and SS grenadiers walking, whermact tanker, SS der Jager Handschar (il convert him to regular SS), and Waffen SS slovenian (hes in italian camo). 
Im looking at getting these from DML
SS Normady, hans von luck, luftwaffe field division, and LAH kursk.
from verlinden I have
2 paras running.

My plan is to have the SS guys kind of relaxed and not to worried about the near gun fire, but the luftwaffe guys are kind of in a state of hurry. Now with some ofthese figures there are SS men running and shooting so im trying to think of how I could show SS men relaxed and still have some in a state of alert.

My idea was to have an MG crew Firing near the sdkfz 7  with the flak, while a jagdpanzer is coming down the road because there is an armor alert. The demag with pak 38 will be manned by the relaxed crew, like there in a hold back position. 
I was kind of playing with the idea of having a T-34 thats knocked out and having the mg crew using it as a plce to shoot from. 

jgeratic1

Yes, if you do a web search on a monthly climate chart for Warsaw, you will see that August, and even the beginning of September, are still quite warm, though by no means is it a balmy region.  So a reversible parka would not fit in with this time frame.

Interesting youtube video - a little before the halfway mark looks to be footage from the tank battle.  Gives a good idea of the topography.

Photo set of reenactors doing Wolomin 1944.

Another googled photo, captioned:

 SS man walk past a burning T-34 tank in Poland. Near Warsaw. August 1944.

regards,

Jack

ahah once again you come through for me thanks for the info. Now I can make some purchases. Funny you show this pic, I have a pic for my back round that is of 3 5th ss members next to a knocked out T34 which I kind of would like to somehow incorporate in this diorama, I just have to many ideas so I know a few will be lft out or else i could look cluttered 

Yes, if you do a web search on a monthly climate chart for Warsaw, you will see that August, and even the beginning of September, are still quite warm, though by no means is it a balmy region.  So a reversible parka would not fit in with this time frame.

Interesting youtube video - a little before the halfway mark looks to be footage from the tank battle.  Gives a good idea of the topography.

Photo set of reenactors doing Wolomin 1944.

Another googled photo, captioned:

 SS man walk past a burning T-34 tank in Poland. Near Warsaw. August 1944.

regards,

Jack

I keep on looking at the verlinden figures I posted on here, and it looks like one can pass off as being in summer gear but the other has a revesible jacket and looks as if hes dressed for a light snow. The battle outside of warsaw was in august, so would that reversible one wouldnt have been worn in the summer right?

Yeah every buddy has a bad day when they get a molotov in the there tank

I don't know about the leather, and the figures could work as well, the Jagdpanzer would make more sense because it is better protected from a nasty Molotov Cocktail than an open- topped Marder ( Saving Private Ryan!)

So I was going through my kits and I found that I have a Jagdpanzer Iv, and from what Ive read, the Wiking Did have these at there disposal. I think Im going to ditch the marder idea in favor of the Jagdpanzer IV.

Would these uniforms work for my diorama

okay that makes sense now. I think the guy I have can fit that. He might be in leather, is leather okay

Yeah, the SS guys would have Autumn camo on, and a few "reversible" coats as well. 

ahh I see I know the uniforms would vary significantly

Remember this, late war, great variety. German Uniforms varied considerably from each other, so anything late  war, just remember that most motorcyclist uniforms for the Wehrmacht were rubberized to make them easy to clean, and keep water out.

But the battles outside of Warsaw were fought in Mid to late August, so would that still have been somewhat cool weather?

Tankluver

I have a messenger from the Ardennes King Tiger tank, But i think he is in winter gear

The Fall of '44 was still quite cold, even though the snow hadn't arrived,  as was the Spring of 45, even if the snow was gone, and it would be mostly gone from urban areas first... Maybe just ssome piles here & there... Dustings happen at night, even during the day, (remember, the Winter of '44/'45 was coldest European winter ever recorded in decades)...

Those uniforms were reversable for that reason.. Cold enough for winter gear, but not for snow, so camo-side out... Early-morning hours, a just after "Stand-To" at 0400 until about 0900 is a chilly time right up until the end of May/beginning of June in that climate..

Motorcycle troops would be in need of the winter gear even later in the day.. Wind-chills are a b*tch...

will do, i still havent built the motorcyle yet, I think tamiya has a good figure of a messnger in regular gear on a motorcycle

Well, If you have mix-n-match figures like the military Miniature series from Tamiya or Dragon's multi- part figures, then you can probably put something together... Might as well check that King Tiger Messenger before you start, though.

I have a messenger from the Ardennes King Tiger tank, But i think he is in winter gear

Tankluver

Alright, I like that idea too, but Im leaning towards mine a bit more, I like the idea of the suspense builing as a Russian tank army attempts to overrun them.

Alright, I like that idea too, but Im leaning towards mine a bit more, I like the idea of the suspense builing as a Russian tank army attempts to overrun them.

Well, I just did a bit of research, The Marder II was in use in 1944, 75 Panzer II's were converted in '44, they fought 'till the end of the war, this is the type you have, so If you want to use it, your all set! If you still want the Brummbar, tho, It would be a good idea, maybe with it's suspension knocked out? Or how about this idea, If you want to show off the engine and add more tension, make it look as if It is undergoing repairs just as the enemy invades?

ah ha that makes since, would a brumbar be good for taking out enemy tanks tho? With a Marder I could actually have the Demag and Marder on a road starting to peel off it to get into position. I just thought of the JABO figure just from Dragon with the figures pointing, I could modify those!!

I like your take on my original idea, I like thinking these things up, but can't ever hope to build something that size, not enough room or money to do so... I want to see where others take my ideas!

About the Marder II, I do believe it might, The Wehrmacht was running short of equipment by this period, so anything useful would help, though a Sturempanzer Brummbar would be a more accurate choice because they are near a city, and the "rumbler" was intended for street fighting...

Would a Marder II still have been in combat at this time, my LHS has the tamiya kit #35060
 

PaperPanzer

 

Tankluver:

 

 

PaperPanzer:

 

 

Tankluver:

 

 

PaperPanzer:

 

 

Tankluver:

 

 

PaperPanzer:

 

Any one of those crews would look good on the gun, a Luftwaffe ground crew is another idea that you haven't mentioned. Maybe a dio in a town, rubble covering the ground and vehicle, the crew firing off the dio, with troops running around and a few casualties? Just some ideas...

 

 

Thats kind of what i was going for, I want to have have a demag with a pak 38 on it also in the dio. I thought of instead of a Luftwaffe field division it would be a Herman Goering falschirm panzer divison unit.

 

Mmm... that would be interesting, you could also model one of the regiments that put down the Warsaw Uprising, I think most were SS troops and recruited prisoners, would also help with the Urban setting...

 

 

 

Well I was actually more interested in the defence of the outskirts of Warsaw when the Germans fought off the soviet tank army.

 

Yeah, i agree with you there, it would give more desperation to the moment...

 

 

 

Yes exactly what I want to show, but im still not sure on the setting, whether or not to do it like on a roadway near a rail embankment, or to do it like in a small village setting, on an outskirt. I have Fallschirmjager running, and some Warrior SS figure sets, and the warrior spg gun crew commander. So im trying to think of how i can combine all this. I know there were HG troops in the Vicinity as well as SS troops, so maybe the SS troops could be the guys that look calm and cool while the HG troops are running to new positions.

 

I would suggest an outskirt, because a AA carrier is not heavy armor, so they would want maximum protection and concealment. The SS troops could be made to look like their the ones giving orders and not the Whermacht troops, maybe one on a radio calling in an artillery strike, with a couple of Whermact troops sheltering from a nearby blast, and the AA commander arguing, due to the tension, at the SS commander. The army troops could also look like they are retreating to the city, while the AA gunner points to the sky to indicate enemy aircraft approaching and be really scared because the gun is pointing down at enemy troops and the planes (maybe Sturmoviks?) are coming fast...

 

Mabye title it, " 1944, Desperation Outside Warsaw" or something.

Wow that actually sounds like something I want to d, I like the idea, but instead of Sturmoviks he could be pointing to the right or left indicating that there are soviet infantry attempting to outflank them, or even a tank coming. What if the AA commander is yelling at the Demag w/ pak38 crew to alert them about a tank coming?

Tankluver

 

PaperPanzer:

 

 

Tankluver:

 

 

PaperPanzer:

 

 

Tankluver:

 

 

PaperPanzer:

 

Any one of those crews would look good on the gun, a Luftwaffe ground crew is another idea that you haven't mentioned. Maybe a dio in a town, rubble covering the ground and vehicle, the crew firing off the dio, with troops running around and a few casualties? Just some ideas...

 

 

Thats kind of what i was going for, I want to have have a demag with a pak 38 on it also in the dio. I thought of instead of a Luftwaffe field division it would be a Herman Goering falschirm panzer divison unit.

 

Mmm... that would be interesting, you could also model one of the regiments that put down the Warsaw Uprising, I think most were SS troops and recruited prisoners, would also help with the Urban setting...

 

 

 

Well I was actually more interested in the defence of the outskirts of Warsaw when the Germans fought off the soviet tank army.

 

Yeah, i agree with you there, it would give more desperation to the moment...

 

 

 

Yes exactly what I want to show, but im still not sure on the setting, whether or not to do it like on a roadway near a rail embankment, or to do it like in a small village setting, on an outskirt. I have Fallschirmjager running, and some Warrior SS figure sets, and the warrior spg gun crew commander. So im trying to think of how i can combine all this. I know there were HG troops in the Vicinity as well as SS troops, so maybe the SS troops could be the guys that look calm and cool while the HG troops are running to new positions.

Mabye title it, " 1944, Desperation Outside Warsaw" or something.

PaperPanzer

 

Tankluver:

 

 

PaperPanzer:

 

 

Tankluver:

 

 

PaperPanzer:

 

Any one of those crews would look good on the gun, a Luftwaffe ground crew is another idea that you haven't mentioned. Maybe a dio in a town, rubble covering the ground and vehicle, the crew firing off the dio, with troops running around and a few casualties? Just some ideas...

 

 

Thats kind of what i was going for, I want to have have a demag with a pak 38 on it also in the dio. I thought of instead of a Luftwaffe field division it would be a Herman Goering falschirm panzer divison unit.

 

Mmm... that would be interesting, you could also model one of the regiments that put down the Warsaw Uprising, I think most were SS troops and recruited prisoners, would also help with the Urban setting...

 

 

 

Well I was actually more interested in the defence of the outskirts of Warsaw when the Germans fought off the soviet tank army.

 

Yeah, i agree with you there, it would give more desperation to the moment...

 

Yes exactly what I want to show, but im still not sure on the setting, whether or not to do it like on a roadway near a rail embankment, or to do it like in a small village setting, on an outskirt. I have Fallschirmjager running, and some Warrior SS figure sets, and the warrior spg gun crew commander. So im trying to think of how i can combine all this. I know there were HG troops in the Vicinity as well as SS troops, so maybe the SS troops could be the guys that look calm and cool while the HG troops are running to new positions.

Tankluver

 

PaperPanzer:

 

 

Tankluver:

 

 

PaperPanzer:

 

Any one of those crews would look good on the gun, a Luftwaffe ground crew is another idea that you haven't mentioned. Maybe a dio in a town, rubble covering the ground and vehicle, the crew firing off the dio, with troops running around and a few casualties? Just some ideas...

 

 

Thats kind of what i was going for, I want to have have a demag with a pak 38 on it also in the dio. I thought of instead of a Luftwaffe field division it would be a Herman Goering falschirm panzer divison unit.

 

Mmm... that would be interesting, you could also model one of the regiments that put down the Warsaw Uprising, I think most were SS troops and recruited prisoners, would also help with the Urban setting...

 

 

 

Well I was actually more interested in the defence of the outskirts of Warsaw when the Germans fought off the soviet tank army.

PaperPanzer

 

Tankluver:

 

 

PaperPanzer:

 

Any one of those crews would look good on the gun, a Luftwaffe ground crew is another idea that you haven't mentioned. Maybe a dio in a town, rubble covering the ground and vehicle, the crew firing off the dio, with troops running around and a few casualties? Just some ideas...

 

 

Thats kind of what i was going for, I want to have have a demag with a pak 38 on it also in the dio. I thought of instead of a Luftwaffe field division it would be a Herman Goering falschirm panzer divison unit.

 

Mmm... that would be interesting, you could also model one of the regiments that put down the Warsaw Uprising, I think most were SS troops and recruited prisoners, would also help with the Urban setting...

 

Well I was actually more interested in the defence of the outskirts of Warsaw when the Germans fought off the soviet tank army.

Tankluver

 

PaperPanzer:

 

Any one of those crews would look good on the gun, a Luftwaffe ground crew is another idea that you haven't mentioned. Maybe a dio in a town, rubble covering the ground and vehicle, the crew firing off the dio, with troops running around and a few casualties? Just some ideas...

 

 

Thats kind of what i was going for, I want to have have a demag with a pak 38 on it also in the dio. I thought of instead of a Luftwaffe field division it would be a Herman Goering falschirm panzer divison unit.