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Posted by Gamera on Monday, February 26, 2024 10:04 PM

Ouch that sucks about the arm joints! But looks great nevertheless! I like the idea of using lighter shades for the shadowing as you move up, but as you said I guess it has to be so dark to even show up. 

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Posted by Real G on Monday, February 26, 2024 5:39 PM

Ah yes, the one-eyed avocado!

Hasegawa shoud do a new series of Zentran and Meltran ships.  IIRC the old Imai Quel Quallie was 1/720.  Not sure what scale a new tool kit should be.  At 1/350 it would be like a very large one-eyed potato.

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Posted by PhoenixG on Monday, February 26, 2024 4:23 PM

Real G
I think we all go through the bench clutter thing. As we work, the clear space gets smaller and smaller, until we have no more room to maneuver. And that is the time we have to stop and put everything back.

Exactly what happened.  Compounded by the steady accrual of new tools.

Real G
Rock on with the Spartan, for who knows when the next Zentradei attack will be.

Sadly, the only Zentradi craft I have is a single Regult.  Their craft are suprisingly difficult to find.  I'd love to get a model of the Quel-Quallie reconnaissance craft.  Really any of the Zentradi fleet. :)

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Posted by PhoenixG on Monday, February 26, 2024 4:07 PM

Bakster
Your story mirrors an experience I had with a compressor. I never drained it and one day I hear a hissing. Checking the lines, fittings, all looked good. Still hissing. I lift the compressor and find a small hole in the bottom of the tank. Basically, it rusted from the inside out. Who'd a thunk.

I'm still getting large flakes of rust out when draining the tank.  I'm pretty certain what you described will be my experience in the not so distant future.

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Posted by PhoenixG on Monday, February 26, 2024 4:01 PM

Gloss coat finished curing and started applying pin washes yesterday.

Decided trying something a little different this time.  I've several brown washes of various darkness.  Decided to use the darkest at the lowest points, medium middle, and lightest at the very top.  Theory being the most dirt will stick on the pieces lowest to the ground.  It sorta worked.

dirty1

dirty2

It was a little too light at the top.  So kept with medium in most most places and reserved the darkest brown for the deepest places.

In the process of dirtying this guy up I decied he's going to look more "used". I tend to think of the Spartans as being front line mecha and spending more time out in the field.

Removed all the masking for the next step.  Forgot that masking tape left on for months is much harder to remove.  Thankfully it did come off with minimal damage.

Posing for the camera with the missile bays closed.  Those are going to happen last because the assembly is rather delicate.

pose1

pose2

pose3

The arms are hanging like that because the joints loosened dramatically.  This is going to become a fixed pose build when done because the joints are too loose.  I've already started gluing the feet .  Hence the blue tack at the heel and toe.  The arms will be done after all the other work is complete.

Next up is decals.  Once they are in place the final weathering can begin.

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Posted by Real G on Monday, February 26, 2024 12:29 PM

I think we all go through the bench clutter thing.  As we work, the clear space gets smaller and smaller, until we have no more room to maneuver.  And that is the time we have to stop and put everything back.

I also had that compressor experience.  I always blow down the tank as the last thing  when putting the compressor away.  By leaving a small amount of air pressure in the tank, it helps blow out any remaining moisture.  It's kind of neat to see a small amount of ice form from on the paper towel blotter due to the pressure drop.

Rock on with the Spartan, for who knows when the next Zentradei attack will be.

I like the spelling on the old Imai boxes: Zjenthuolauduey!  So I guess Meltrandei would be Melthuolauduey?

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Posted by Bakster on Sunday, February 25, 2024 2:31 PM

 

 

Your story mirrors an experience I had with a compressor. I never drained it and one day I hear a hissing. Checking the lines, fittings, all looked good. Still hissing. I lift the compressor and find a small hole in the bottom of the tank. Basically, it rusted from the inside out. Who'd a thunk.

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Posted by Bakster on Sunday, February 25, 2024 2:25 PM

 

PhoenixG

 

 
Bakster

Hey PG, it sounds like you got bit by the same bug that got ME. I had the spray booth revamp, you are redoing your work area. There is no known inoculation for said malady. Simply, one must go through the process until the malady takes it course. Stick out tongue It's all good. Declutering can be a very good thing. 

 

Good luck with the restructuring!

 

 

Hiya Bakster, good to hear from you.   I must have been bit by the whole friggin' swarm!  LOL Big Smile

You are so right.  Getting the bench and garage in order was all consuming.  The clutter that was hanging over my head was such a mental weight.  Didn't realize how heavy it was till it was eliminated. 

Now that it's done I feel great and re-energized to work on the Spartan!

 

Bingo. Clutter can become a mental block!

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Posted by PhoenixG on Friday, February 23, 2024 1:25 AM

Gamera

Good luck Phoenix! I only clean the area when I can't find something..... Sad

Thanks Gamera!

Not being able to find anything was exactly my problem!  I spent half my time searching for what I needed. 

The re-org should help with that immensely.  I'm looking forward to giving it a test drive and see how it goes.

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Posted by PhoenixG on Friday, February 23, 2024 1:22 AM

Bakster

Hey PG, it sounds like you got bit by the same bug that got ME. I had the spray booth revamp, you are redoing your work area. There is no known inoculation for said malady. Simply, one must go through the process until the malady takes it course. Stick out tongue It's all good. Declutering can be a very good thing. 

 

Good luck with the restructuring!

Hiya Bakster, good to hear from you.   I must have been bit by the whole friggin' swarm!  LOL Big Smile

You are so right.  Getting the bench and garage in order was all consuming.  The clutter that was hanging over my head was such a mental weight.  Didn't realize how heavy it was till it was eliminated. 

Now that it's done I feel great and re-energized to work on the Spartan!

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Bandai 1/72 Destroid Spartan

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Posted by PhoenixG on Friday, February 23, 2024 1:14 AM

suomi39

What a cool model -- nostalgic, even though I was never into that fandom. Apparently a little aged, eh? A labor of love, for sure, and especially given how nice modern BanDai kits are!

Love what you're doing with it. 

 

Thank you Sumoi!  The model dates from the 80's.  Well before Bandai's revolution.  So it definitely needs a lot of TLC to achieve a good presentation, but it's been a blast to work on.  Hoping I'm done with other distractions and can finish knocking this one out in in the near future.

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Posted by PhoenixG on Friday, February 23, 2024 1:09 AM

I declare the garage re-org done-ish.  ;)

I can't believe I spent almost a month reorganizing things.  However, I think it was time well invested.  I don't feel a sense of dread when approaching my bench anymore.

Perhaps it's time for some revealing photos.

This is the sight that would greet me when I'd go to work on a model.

clutter

It was overwhelming.

After I got it cleaned up I decided I wanted to spread out.  The space to my right was a junkpile.

junkpile

The decision was made to clear it out and put my other bench in its place.  Then it could be used as something other than a horizontal plane on which to store stuff.

But first I needed to organize the shelf above my bench.

So I built this to fit the space and make all my music accessible and give my models something to sit on.

organizer

Sooo much nicer.

installed

That worked out so well that when I looked at the new bench I decided the cabinet above it needed an organizer to hold my sheet styrene, rods, tubes, and odds and ends.

benchcab

So then I built this to fit in the space, but I ran out of plywood and can't go more just yet.  The truck is in the shop (whole other story there).  When it comes back I'll fetch more plywood and finish that organizer.  When completed it will hold everything I have with spaces for more.

caborg

Here it is all nice and finished and installed.

caborginst

While going through this exercise I learned that air compressors have a drain plug because water will condense inside them.  I've had that compressor for 2 years and never drained it...  Ooops.

About 1.5 cups of very rusty water came out of it.

rust water

rustwater2

Disgusting.

The surprising part is the moisture trap was practically bone dry for the last two years.  I've never had more than a fog of water vapor in it.  Weird.

Final shot of the completed overhaul.

overallThere is still some tidying to be done but it'll be quick.

Oh!  One more thing.

New needle and nozzle arrived for my Iwata.  Installed that tonight.  Such a difference!  I'd completely forgotten what it was like when I first got it.  Can't wait to try it out.

Well enough about my workspace.  Back to the Spartan!

 

 

 

 

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Posted by Gamera on Wednesday, February 21, 2024 4:49 PM

Good luck Phoenix! I only clean the area when I can't find something..... Sad

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Posted by Bakster on Monday, February 19, 2024 2:33 PM

Hey PG, it sounds like you got bit by the same bug that got ME. I had the spray booth revamp, you are redoing your work area. There is no known inoculation for said malady. Simply, one must go through the process until the malady takes it course. Stick out tongue It's all good. Declutering can be a very good thing. 

 

Good luck with the restructuring!

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Posted by suomi39 on Monday, February 19, 2024 12:14 PM

What a cool model -- nostalgic, even though I was never into that fandom. Apparently a little aged, eh? A labor of love, for sure, and especially given how nice modern BanDai kits are!

Love what you're doing with it. 

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Posted by PhoenixG on Tuesday, February 13, 2024 7:18 PM

Gamera

That looks really good Phoenix! I'm sure the brush marks will sand out without a problem. 

Thankfully they did.

However, in the process of workng on that I became fed up with the clutter at my bench.  I was spending more time cleaning and straightening my bench than working on models.  It started a domino effect of reorganization.  Centered at my bench and spreading throughout my entire garage.

This whole process is like having a couple of pebbles kicking off an avalanche.  It keeps getting bigger and bigger and there's no withstanding the force of it. 

My bench is laid out, but not done.  I cleared off one of my other workbenches and added it to my modeling area.  It's now been expanded to nearly 16 linear feet of workspace.  It is split amongst a computer research station+printer, brush painting+weathering station, airbrush station, and finally an assembly/cleanup/scratchbuilding station.  Hopefully this layout will improve the workflow.
However, I still have the rest of my garage to take care of.  Imagine if you will what it might look like if a tsunami could spontaneously form at one side of your garage and works it's way to the oppostie wall.  That's my garage.All the junk is pushed away from my bench and into the rest of the garage.  My goal is to get everything else into a semblance of order.  Then I can resume work on this build and get it closed out.The Spartan is so close to be doing done it's like an itch I can't scratch and it's driving me crazy!  But not as crazy as the mess that's piled up around me.
Once more unto the breach dear friends.  Wish me luck!

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Posted by Gamera on Wednesday, January 31, 2024 10:42 PM

That looks really good Phoenix! I'm sure the brush marks will sand out without a problem. 

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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Posted by PhoenixG on Wednesday, January 31, 2024 12:35 AM

Whoops, almost forgot to mention I'd been building up the final set of missiles during all this as well.  Was a busy day today.  :)

Progress shot.  The rightmost two are fully built up.

missiles

If you look in the background those little white dots are the final piece to be glued onto the missile.

These are actually all finished and are now awaiting paint.

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Posted by PhoenixG on Wednesday, January 31, 2024 12:27 AM

Last couple of days haven't been without activity, but there wasn't much new to post as I was still building up color on the body.  Pretty satisfied with the way it looks now.  I applied a clear coat of Vallejo Mecha Matte Varnish.  Which is a misnomer as it's more of a satin.

Rather than using masking tape I thought I would experiment more with the Vallejo liquid mask to outline the supports around the windows.

cockpit

It's a very thin liquid but it dries pretty quick.  It also gums up the brush pretty thoroughly so it's best done with a brush you don't mind getting trashed.

The panels on the back made me think of some sort of Steel access or airlocks so I outlined those in prep to be painted with steel.

backpanels

I decided to brush paint everything for this.

window

steel

Peeled off the mask and the results were mixed.  The cockpit needed some touchup as it was looking a little rough.

However, the backpanels turned out really nice.

finishedsteel

At the same time I was working on the missile covers. Also used liquid mask around them.

maskedcover

More brush painting.

failedbrush

But I ended up with some really bad brush marks.  Not sure what happend as it's the same brush I used for the steel panels.  So next step on those is sanding them down and trying again.

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Posted by Gamera on Friday, January 26, 2024 11:31 PM

Ouch! I always have a couple of extra needles in case with stuff like that. 

She's lookin' good, looking forward to how she turns out. 

And I need to set up a journal to keep my paint straight. Or two, or three. If I keep one I know it will vanish, maybe with a back-up or two all of them won't disappear. 

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Posted by PhoenixG on Thursday, January 25, 2024 11:43 PM

Real G

Looking good PhoenixG!  I'm liking it more and more as you progress through the build!

 

Thanks Real G!  Glad your enjoying it!

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Posted by PhoenixG on Thursday, January 25, 2024 11:42 PM

Bakster

Nice progress on this and nice work with the scratchbuiding. Yes

 

Hey Bakster! Good to hear from you and thanks!

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Posted by PhoenixG on Thursday, January 25, 2024 11:40 PM

Well I broke my airbrush again.  Ruined another nozzle and this time the needle too.  Apparently I managed to put a pretty significant bend in the tip of the needle and just chewed up the tip of the nozzle.  I'm thankful I finished the preshading before that happened.  My back airbrush isn't quite as nice but does a good job of with general coverage.

What the preshade looked like finished.

preshade

First base color applied.

first base

The light is realy strong so the colore is slight washed out.  It's actually darked than pictured.  A second slightly lighter color will be added for highlighting.  The missile covers will be done in an off white with the emblems painted a scarlett red.

Then the fun of detailing and weathering will begin!  Big Smile

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Posted by Real G on Thursday, January 25, 2024 11:51 AM

Looking good PhoenixG!  I'm liking it more and more as you progress through the build!

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Posted by Bakster on Wednesday, January 24, 2024 10:11 PM

Nice progress on this and nice work with the scratchbuiding. Yes

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Posted by PhoenixG on Wednesday, January 24, 2024 2:22 AM

Gamera
That looks great to me Phoenix! I know what you mean about painting something the same colour as the plastic. When I was a kid if I had a tank etc in the right shade I only painted the tires etc. But the plastic never looks right without paint. And considering you're puttying and sanding the seams you pretty much have to paint it to get everything the same colour. Looks like you've got all the seams knocked out in the newer photos.

Thanks Gamera.  The color matching for the pre-shade was unexpected and simply surprised me.  The final color will be a mix of ochre and sandy yellow.  The green pre-shade is to make the edges stand out more.

The seams are definitely better and it turns out most of the ones I was stressing about were hidden by the arms when they were attached.  Live and learn.  :)

Gamera
And you're very right about the putty, it's just a matter of finding what works for you and then use it. One of the things I like about the PPP is that you don't always have to sand it. Just put it on and wait five mins. and then rub it with a moist cotton swab and it will take off the PPP except what's in the gap. I haven't cemented a model to a desk yet but I have used superglue to cover seams and had only the outside dry. When I started sanding it broke though and I got superglue all over the sandpaper, the model, my hands, everywhere. I was only using a little bit of superglue or I would have ended up with the model glued to my hands... Sad

I've had the exact same problem with the center of the CA being wet when the rest seemed hard and dry.  Because of that I've taken to hitting it with a blast from what is effectively a hot air gun.  That's taken care of the problem with the thickest parts of the CA being unexpectedly wet..

I'm looking forward to giving the PPP a try on my next model.  I'd really like to settle on a putty that works well for me and can stop griping about it.  :)

Gamera
I don't generally keep any records of what paint I used but I wish I did. Working on a T-64 and I have about five bottles of Soviet/Russian green that are slightly different shades and I'm not sure which one I used on the model. I don't often mix my own batches simply because if I need to redo something rematching is such a pain.

Most of my models have at least one custom mixed color.  It's been the best way for me achieve a color match.  The problem you described with the T64 is pretty much what I've been experiencing.  My current thoughts are to take something like a composition notebook and label each build with mfg., model, and scale. Including specific paints selected and any details around any customization I've done.

For this build I misplaced the sheet where I had recorded the measurements of the missiles.  I found it only to discover it coverd with paint from using it as prep for dybrushing.  Thankfully the numbers I needed weren't completely obscured so I'll be able to cut the rest of the missiles I need to the proper length.

I'm thinking that having a book specifically for recording the info will help prevent the problem in the future.  I'm not the most organized person so it's a new habit I'll be trying to form.  Time will tell as to how successful I am with it.

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Posted by PhoenixG on Wednesday, January 24, 2024 2:04 AM

Made the emblems today.  Simple trapezoid so I figured I could just measure it.

The original piece

original

Then draw it out and cut it.

diagram

Taped two pieces of sheet together so a single cut would produce two identical pieces.

prepped

However, my cuts weren't or diagram wasn't as accurate as needed.  They turned out a little wonky.

wonky

Figures sanding to round the corners would even it out some.  It worked well enough.  They'll get some clean up sanding once the glue has set.

attached

The covers just resting on the shoulders.

model

I must say that I like the look of the scratchbuilt covers better than the originals.  Something about the slightly uneven creases gives lends veracity to look.  At least to my eye it does. Smile

Needed to get these done so they could be finished, primed and then preshaded with the rest of the model.  Because I painted all the parts of the Missile Phalanx separately the color didn't look very consistent.  My goal here is to get all the major pieces painted together so the overall color scheme looks more consistent. 

The covers will be posed open in the final portion of the build.  Still haven't figured out a workable hinge attachement.  I tried slightly scoring some sheet styrene to create a hinge but it simply snapped where it had been scored.  May try heating a wide strip of styrene to create a soft bend like I did for the tops of the covers.  We'll see.

 

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Posted by Gamera on Tuesday, January 23, 2024 8:26 PM

That looks great to me Phoenix! I know what you mean about painting something the same colour as the plastic. When I was a kid if I had a tank etc in the right shade I only painted the tires etc. But the plastic never looks right without paint. And considering you're puttying and sanding the seams you pretty much have to paint it to get everything the same colour. 

Looks like you've got all the seams knocked out in the newer photos. 

And you're very right about the putty, it's just a matter of finding what works for you and then use it. One of the things I like about the PPP is that you don't always have to sand it. Just put it on and wait five mins. and then rub it with a moist cotton swab and it will take off the PPP except what's in the gap. 

I haven't cemented a model to a desk yet but I have used superglue to cover seams and had only the outside dry. When I started sanding it broke though and I got superglue all over the sandpaper, the model, my hands, everywhere. I was only using a little bit of superglue or I would have ended up with the model glued to my hands... Sad

I don't generally keep any records of what paint I used but I wish I did. Working on a T-64 and I have about five bottles of Soviet/Russian green that are slightly different shades and I'm not sure which one I used on the model. I don't often mix my own batches simply because if I need to redo something rematching is such a pain.  

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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Posted by PhoenixG on Tuesday, January 23, 2024 12:09 PM

A small delay in updates as I recently picked up some items to help organize my bench.  It took a little time to implement them. 

With that, back to where I left off.  Which was putty.

I'll save y'all from more macro photos of putty and summarize.  That last attempt was good enough.  Moving on.  :)

I  added slots to the ring at the waist ring so that I could easily separate the upper and lower halves for painting and final tuches.

half ringfull ring

Assembled and primed.  Missiles won't be added till everything else is done.

posed

pose2

This will essentially be a duplication of the paint Scheme I did on the Missile Phalanx.  Starts with pre-shading with Vallejo Gunship Green.

About halfway through I thought I'd grabbed the wrong green.  Why? because it was same color as the original plastic!

I placed a part of the model still in bare plastic at it's feet to show the color similarity.

ICK

Went back to photos of my work on the Missile Phalanx to verify the color.

phalanx comparison

Looks like Gunship Green to me.  It feels weird painting it the same color I put in so much effort to hide.

Apparently Gunship Green is a good color for pre-shading but not as a base color for the Spartan. :)

Now that bit of confusion is cleared up I can resume the pre-shading and get the upper torso done.

Bit of a tangent here.  Question for the group.  Do any of you keep a record of the paints used on a specific model as well as any notes on custom mixes?  I guess it could be called a paint or build journal?  Just curious.  Now that I've been building for a few years I'm finding that on occasion I want to duplicate something I did before but I can't always remember what I did or find the random notes I may have scribbled down.

Right now my paint journal consists of whatever notes I wrote on the walls of my paint booth.  Which isn't exactly the best place to keep them.  Be interested to hear any tips or practices that have worked well for others.

 

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