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REVELL,S lack of interest

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Posted by subfixer on Saturday, August 29, 2009 12:09 PM
 jtilley wrote:

I'll take the liberty of suggesting that, as a courtesy to the other members, every member of the Forum take a few minutes to look at the "FSM Forum Guidelines" thread ( /forums/1163944/ShowPost.aspx#1163944 ).  The references to ALL CAPS and multiple punctuation marks (such as "!!!!" and "????") are particularly worth noting.

That thread does not address the difference between the comma and the apostrophe.  Maybe Tankerbuilder has some reason for using the same punctuation mark for both, but I have no idea what it is - and I must say that I find his posts difficult to read.  I am, however, sensitive to the old adage about people in glass houses throwing rocks.  In looking over my own posts I'm frequently embarrassed to see the awful mistakes of grammar, punctuation, etc. that I've made - and put on the web for all the world to see.  (When I catch them I edit them, but I have no way of knowing how many people have already read them.)

I've got to agree with you on the punctuation thing, Professor. While we aren't being graded on our English skills, a little brushing up on punctuation rules could be beneficial to some. At least it would help to clarify the meaning of some posts and make them more inviting to read. I don't recall ever being taught to put a space between the last word and a period or comma, and that there is a difference between a comma and an apostrophe. tankerbuilder, we like your posts, but it is a little hard to make sense of them at times.

 

 

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  • From: EG48
Posted by Tracy White on Saturday, August 29, 2009 11:13 AM

Another thing, if you're interested in good kits, is you might consider helping the companies instead of just ranting at them. For example, I provide Dragon with some assistance in their WWII ship kit line. They are MUCH more open to a project when we can offer them research materials and expertise. 

So if you want a particular ship produced, you might start by trying to get the research done for them, such as good plans (I'm not talking side views here; the ones that Floating Drydock offers, for example, will do for a START) and photos of the details. It may be expensive in both time and materials, but if you offer that to them either for the cost of a couple of kits or even for free they may very well consider it.

Tracy White Researcher@Large

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  • From: Weymouth, Dorset, UK
Posted by chris hall on Saturday, August 29, 2009 12:10 AM

I think that if you look at subjects that get kitted by more than one manufacturer,and in mre than one scale (Bismarck, Hood, Prince of Wales,Yamato, New Jersey, Enterprise, Hornet, Type VII U-boat, Queen Mary 2, Victory, Cutty Sark,)  that it's pretty clear that kit manufacturers do give modellers what most of them seem to want. 

The difficulty is that many people with a deeper interest in ship modelling (like ourselves) forget that werepresent only a small fraction of the total market for model kits, and that, to turn a profit, a new-mould mainstream injection-moulded kit has to sell in tens, if not hundreds, of thousands.

I'd really like a 1/350- or even 1/700 - kit of Ark Royal IV in her final refit, or,indeed, any Royal Navy post-war surface combatant in 1/350, but have been reconciled to the fact that,expensive resin aside, it's not going to happen.

And then Airfix promise a 1/350 Illustrious-maybe there is a God after all!

Cheers,

Chris.

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Posted by jtilley on Friday, August 28, 2009 11:39 PM

I'll take the liberty of suggesting that, as a courtesy to the other members, every member of the Forum take a few minutes to look at the "FSM Forum Guidelines" thread ( /forums/1163944/ShowPost.aspx#1163944 ).  The references to ALL CAPS and multiple punctuation marks (such as "!!!!" and "????") are particularly worth noting.

That thread does not address the difference between the comma and the apostrophe.  Maybe Tankerbuilder has some reason for using the same punctuation mark for both, but I have no idea what it is - and I must say that I find his posts difficult to read.  I am, however, sensitive to the old adage about people in glass houses throwing rocks.  In looking over my own posts I'm frequently embarrassed to see the awful mistakes of grammar, punctuation, etc. that I've made - and put on the web for all the world to see.  (When I catch them I edit them, but I have no way of knowing how many people have already read them.)

The web is a wonderful thing; it facilitates communication between people who otherwise would never get in touch with each other, and who can offer all sorts of viewpoints and insights on innumerable subjects.  It also has created a new branch of the English language (and, I assume, plenty of other languages), which has its own definitions of decorum and manners.  It's easy, especially for Olde Phogies like me who are relatively new to the computer game, to post discourteous and even insulting language without having any idea that we're doing it.  The FSM management has done us a favor in the aforementioned thread by spelling out, in concise and clearly understandable form, what is and isn't appropriate.

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Posted by Tracy White on Friday, August 28, 2009 3:34 PM

 tankerbuilder wrote:
LACK OF INTEREST

When ranting at people for poor quality it is advisable to ensure that one's grammar and punctuation is not a train wreck in itself. Otherwise the reader is going to have the same feelings to your posting as your title.

Tracy White Researcher@Large

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Posted by tankerbuilder on Thursday, August 27, 2009 4:24 PM
 Hello Epinniger--- The problems I had are noteworthy and numerous . The hull halves didn,t want to line up . (very badly warped ). The rails and mast supports were over a quarter inch off . I saw the pictures that someone suggested and the supports molded  in  the rail that were supposed to support the outboard sides of the mast assembly didn,t even come close to the real thing . The wheelhouse/cabin roof was molded too small and I had to brace it from inside . The missile launch unit locating pins did Not match the holes for them either !!! The exhaust molded in the hull sides was molded to low and were just blobs on the sides !!  The gun housing was flatsided like an earlier version of same . I don,t know what happened ,but, this was the worst kit from REVELL of GERMANY , i,ve also built the tug SMIT HOUSTON and it ran a close second !!. I will wait a long time before I buy another REVELL product ,either GERMAN or domestic !!!     tankerbuilder
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Posted by EPinniger on Thursday, August 27, 2009 2:04 PM

What are the problems you mention with the 1/144 Gepard-class? I built this kit a few months ago and found no problems with it - it matches up very well to photos of the real ships. There are a number of small missing details, which I added from scratch, but everything else looks OK to me. (No major fit/assembly problems, either)

http://www.modelshipgallery.com/gallery/misc/patrol/gepard-144-ep/ep-index.htm

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REVELL,S lack of interest
Posted by tankerbuilder on Wednesday, August 26, 2009 6:54 PM
 Hello everybody , I see the name REVELL being hashed again . This of course is about the so called "museum quality" plastic sailing ship models whether from R.O.G. or here at home. As I have stated before ,why we beat a dead horse is beyond me . They ( REVELL ,MONOGRAM OR the CAR MODEL COs ) could care less what real model builders think or want . The bean counters in control are part of the problem and as I,ve said before even though 90% of their stuff is now molded in china ,they keep saying expenses are the problem . That,s not it . It,s called LACK OF INTEREST IN WHAT THE CUSTOMER REALLY WANTS!!!! If they break even with the use of their little charades ,they,ll keep doing it !! I believe as a modeler (proffessional (ret.) and hobby) I could scratchbuild a better KEARSARGE or BEAGLE than they have ever put out no matter what the price!!!I Have some R.oG. modern stuff and even that is full of GLARING errors in the parts and instructions !! I had spend over a full work day correcting the kit#05005 1/144 GEPARD class 143A schnellboot ( fast attack boat )That I got so angry I had to set it aside for awhile !! This then is what to expect from REVELL foreign or domestic !!!  TANKERBUILDER
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