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1/350 DKM Scharnhorst announced by Dragon

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  • From: EG48
Posted by Tracy White on Saturday, May 29, 2010 10:27 PM

To clear up a couple of mis-perceptions.....

The $139 price is NOT the MSRP; Freetime Hobbies is offering it for $10 less even before their pre-order sale price.

The kit comes with four sheets of photo-etch... it's hardly the same offering that Trumpeter has been putting out there. A buyer is much likelier to not need any further add-ons other than glue and paint with this release.

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Posted by jtilley on Sunday, May 30, 2010 9:36 AM

As a certifiable Olde Phogey who can remember when the most expensive plastic kits on the market were priced at $12.00, I've long since given up passing judgment on what constitutes a "reasonable" price for a kit.  The market is completely different now than it was in the Goode Olde Dayes, when masters for molds had to be made by hand, instruction sheets had to be drawn with pen and ink, and the vast majority of purchasers were kids. 

I don't have any special insights into the finances of kit manufacturers, but I can easily understand that their pricing decisions are, by definition, complicated.  The manufacturer has to get his investment back in a reasonable amount of time, shipping expenses have to be covered, and everybody involved in the process (from the people who make the masters and do the research through the people who run the molding machines to the wholesale distributers to the shipping firms to the hobby shop where you buy the thing) has to make money.  How much money constitutes a "reasonable" profit?  That's not for me to say.

Nowadays, when a super-high-quality kit hits the market I ask myself two questions:  Do I want it and can I afford it.  Since the answer to the latter question usually is "no," the former one doesn't matter much.  I just can't justify spending a hundred dollars on a 1/350 battleship - even if I think it's "worth it" in terms of what's in the box. 

I'm sure the Dragon Scharnhorst is a fine kit.  In all honesty, if I were seriously thinking about spending that kind of money on a warship kit, that might well be my first choice.  And if there was a realistic possibility that I'd immediately take it out to the workshop and spend six or eight months working on it, I just might buy it.  But the truth of the matter is that, after spending some happy hours ogling at the quality of the parts, I'd probably put it in my already ridiculously large stash - and maybe build it a few years from now, or maybe not.  (I'm embarrassed to admit that I operate like that - but the editorial in this month's FSM suggests that I'm far from alone in that respect.) 

Fortunately my eyesight is still good enough that I can get a lot of satisfaction from 1/700 kits - and there are enough modestly priced ones around to keep me busy for the rest of my life (even without dipping into the world of the resin manufacturers).  My observation has been that both Dragon and Trumpeter offer state-of-the-art 1/700 kits at prices that won't destroy my bankbook.  The Trumpeter 1/700 North Carolina costs $25.00 (at Free Time Hobbies, as of a few minutes ago).  The superb White Ensign detail set for it costs $18.37 (from the same source).  Total:  $43.37.  Is that a lot for a model that's about a foot long?  Yep.  But it'll keep me busy for several weeks - and produce a model that will fit in our existing curio cabinet. 

The Trumpeter 1/350 North Carolina (which is generally agreed to be less accurate than the smaller one) costs $107.95, plus $54.57 for the appropriate detail set.  Total:  $162.52.  Mathematically, that's not an unreasonable difference.  (Producing, distributing, and stocking a 1/350 product probably does cost at least four times as much as producing, distributing, and stocking its 1/700 equivalent.)  But the bottom line, from my standpoint, is that the Tilley budget can handle $54.57 and can't handle $162.52 (ignoring the matter of where the finished 1/350 model would live).  I suspect I'm not the only modeler for whom that decision is a no-brainer. 

Now then, Dragon and/or Trumpter:  that Tamiya 1/700 Scharnhorst represented the state of the art when it first appeared, back in the late seventies.  But it's looking kind of long in the tooth these days....

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Posted by Lord-Dogbert on Sunday, May 30, 2010 4:20 PM

This weekend Military Hobbies in Orange is having a 30% sale. I have been eying the premium Academy Gref Spee. I got it for $90 after discount but the sticker was $128. It comes with almost everything the Dragon kit does. If I can get the Scharnhorst in the same price range I'll spring.

The difference I see so far between the kits is:

The Dragon kit has nicer hull as it's horizontally split instead of vertical. I hate vertical split hulls.

Dragon includes glass for the windows and search lights

Dragon port holes are drilled out already

Dragon deck will have the camber like their destroyers.

Dragon AA guns look better, have the seats and controls.

Academy includes the wooden deck which is huge buy me. I love that the hand rails just aren't plopped down on the edges of the deck, they have little pins that go into the deck. Sweet!

I don't see any specific mention of PE handrails for the Dragon kit, there are no pics or mention of them that I saw on the site but maybe I missed them. If the scharnhorst doesn't come with hand rails. I don't want to go to GMM to buy handrails so some of the value is lost. There will probably be a cyber-hobby release to make up. This makes no sense that the hand rails aren't there.

I'd say in the long run it all works out. and I'll add Scharnhorst to my b'day list for September :-) I'll get it eventually and hopefully after the Graf Spee is done.


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Posted by stikpusher on Sunday, May 30, 2010 7:09 PM

Damn, I wanted to make it up to Military Hobbies this weekend. I am building the Academy basic issue Graf Spee right now and am content with its level of detail. Especially when you consider I paid maybe $30 for it.

 

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Posted by Lord-Dogbert on Sunday, May 30, 2010 7:20 PM

I would've went with the basic version but my mom parents gave me some money to the annual memorial day tribute model; so It was free to me, more or less.

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  • From: Truro Nova Scotia, Canada
Posted by SuppressionFire on Sunday, May 30, 2010 8:34 PM

If you are really keen on the kit it will be yours regardless of current speculation on a future cost. If this price is too high attend model contests & shows. Sooner or later a private vendor will have it on sale for 1/2 the original price. It may take a year or two but you can have your Scharnhorst at a reasonable cost eventually.2 cents

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Posted by JMart on Tuesday, June 1, 2010 8:02 AM

Great post as always, Prof Tilley. I have half-solved my "where will it live?" issue since my eldest is going to College next semester...she still thinks I am joking when I said her room will become my maritime display museum ;)

An advantage of having several years worth of "stash" is that I can wait a few years after the kit release, and then pick up the 'deluxe" version, reboxed with extra goodies and at half price of the original release. I can also wait for the AM market to sort itself out, build reviews to come out and other companies to release competing products. I learned my lesson with the CAD-ladden Nagato.....Sad

 

 

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1/350 DKM Scharnhorst announced by Dragon review coming.
Posted by Bruno Schielzeth on Friday, August 20, 2010 4:51 PM

Well, in the next week or so I guess we will all know what's in the box and how it looks. My review kit should be riding the big brown truck fairly soon and I'll be happy to throw a few hints to the faithful. Smile

As for cost, I don't know but it's not unusual these days for kits in this range to go for $150- $200. Personally it's expensive but if the kit is detailed enough, good enough, and enough fun to build then it's probably worth the money, at least to some people. 

Just to make a point: several years ago I received the Tamiya I-400 basic kit for review. Stunning detail. Beautiful moldings. And pretty expensive for such a small model. Even adding an aftermarket photoetch set to it, which was HIGHLY necessary, it took me a total of just over a week to build. And when I was all done I had a stunningly nice display model and a complete feeling of .............. boredom and somehow cheated. The kit was flawless. Everything fit and looked right. It was beautiful. And I was bored throughout the entire build.

On the other hand the Tamiya IJN Mogami was beautifully molded, filled with oddly useless detail in odd places, but everything that needed to be there was and when I was done, after several weeks of effort, I felt fulfilled and proud of the build. There were missing details and it will receive them in the near future before I display it again, but somehow the whole build felt good from day #1

I'm not sure what makes a kit 'too perfect' but it can happen. With no errors, no 'modeling skills required' or any problems to overcome building even a great kit can become boring and that's not the feeling one should have when building a model.

I have built Mach 2 kits. They are just slightly above scratch building one from a rock. But there is a certain satisfaction to beating one into something that looks like what it's supposed to be. I have turned some classic Airfix kits into pretty nice looking replicas of the real thing. Somehow the time and effort required seemed worth it. And then I've run into kits that, for one reason or another, have ended up on the 'shelf of doom' to die a long and lonely death. I just couldn't or wouldn't put the effort into them to make them right.

Model building should be, first and foremost, FUN. They were fun 50 years ago when I first put glue to plastic and they should be fun now. The kits are bigger, better engineered, more detailed, and many times more expensive than the $1.49 Airfix kits in 1963 but the fun factor still has to be there or they will never sell well. Each manufacturer choses their own formula to make a winner. Some work for me, some don't. 

I will see what Dragon has for all of us soon and I'll let you all know what I find. OK? 

 

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Posted by Dennis Smith on Friday, August 20, 2010 5:01 PM

I saw it yesterday at the LHS.  Beautiful.  About $150.

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Posted by keilau on Friday, August 20, 2010 8:20 PM

Dennis Smith

I saw it yesterday at the LHS.  Beautiful.  About $150.

$125 at Sprue Brothers. Add $20 for the PE railing.

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Posted by Dreadnought52 on Monday, August 23, 2010 4:21 PM

The kit was delivered to me along with the supplemental PE railing.  It is a stunningly beautiful kit.  I don't think I have ever seen anything like this before.  The kit includes multiple sheets of PE, just not the railings.  I am very impressed with the level of detail, even on the various gun barrels.  This is one plastic kit I don't believe I will bother to get brass barrels for.  If anyone out there is hesitant about plunking down the cash for this DON'T be as it is without a doubt the best plastic warship model I have ever seen.  WS

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