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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, March 15, 2011 12:52 PM

Nah, those 1/144th scale subs are the perfect size---the detail is incredible!

By the way, can anyone in here make me a couple of swordfish emblem decals in green?

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Posted by warshipbuilder on Tuesday, March 15, 2011 1:21 PM

From another siteSome Good News for you guys Stateside.

"Just checked the Stevens website and there's been a decrease in the price of the Trumpeter kits.

I looked at the 1:700 listing and found that some are now closer to their original prices, while others are down only a few dollars. The forthcoming Roma was listed at $49.95 and is now $46.95. The Sacramento was $39.95 and is now $37.95 (the Sac is a nice kit, too, by the way).

Price reduction is because MMD/Squadron is now importing Trumpeter Labeled kits into the USA, offering substantial discounts to their dealers vs what Stevens International offered. Look for price drops across the board on Trumpy kits in the next few months.
Good time to take advantage of the lower prices to expand your fleets, especially with some of those expensive cruisers!"

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Posted by VanceCrozier on Tuesday, March 15, 2011 1:21 PM

yes

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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, March 15, 2011 2:03 PM

warshipbuilder

The forthcoming Roma was listed at $49.95 and is now $46.95.

That's what I'm waiting for!  How many BB's were sunk with German BAT's?

jpk
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Posted by jpk on Saturday, March 19, 2011 11:42 AM

As Tracy pointed out with the  Trumpy F4F Wildcat, I remeber the stink about it and their correcting their molds, but many of their aircraft kits suffer from poor research. It looks like they get a bunch of photos and try to create a kit from them rather than sending their own people out to get the measurements and photos. An example is their 1/48 F9F-2 Panther. The fuselage is too long, they just copied a -5 Panther's length. The canopy bows are at an angle and should be at 90 degrees to the canopy base line. Just many little errors that should have been cought befor steel was cut. Their 1/24th P-51D Mustang is a complete abortion. It has so many issues and it is probably one of the most documented AC in the world. Trumpy screwed it up.

Another comparison, the Trumpy Fletcher vs the Dragon Gearing. Both very similar boats. A lot of fittings are shared between them. The Dragon Gearing quality really shines when compared to the Trumpy Fletcher. In fact, if you wanted to improve your Trumpy Fletcher you can use a donor Gearing for a lot of parts. The reverse is not true.

     

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Posted by Jester75 on Saturday, March 19, 2011 1:19 PM

jpk

Their 1/24th P-51D Mustang is a complete abortion. It has so many issues and it is probably one of the most documented AC in the world. Trumpy screwed it up.

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As is the Dragon version of the Mustang in that scale. They all have thier dogs!!

Eric

 

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Posted by Dreadnought52 on Saturday, March 19, 2011 2:36 PM

Having read this excruciatingly long thread to the end I have to say that it is one of the least valuable blasts of hot air I have ever seen on this site.  Anyone looking at this thread for real information would come away shaking his head after reading about Scharnhorst, the muling and puking about prices of kits in the UK and a bunch of other nonsense about unrelated stuff to the topic in question.  A few notes about detail differences emerged but not much else.  Let's not forget that the purpose of this section of the web site is for information and help to other modelers, not a venue for some to tote up a massive amount of "replies" to posts.

One obvious point not even noted except as an aside in one post was that the Dragon kit is a waterline option and the Trumpeter kit is a full hull.  That would be something USEFUL to point out in the differences between the kits.  The Trumpeter kit would be very difficult to waterline for those of us who model waterline kits and that is something many people want to know.  

Another thing that would be nice to know from comparisons of the two kits is how is the fit of the parts.  Some Trumpeter kits are awful in that regard as noted, however, WHAT ABOUT THIS KIT?  Dragon kits generally have excellent fit, but again, what about this one?

Let's have some helpful information given for a change.

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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, March 19, 2011 3:07 PM

Dreadnought52

Having read this excruciatingly long thread to the end I have to say that it is one of the least valuable blasts of hot air I have ever seen on this site.  Anyone looking at this thread for real information would come away shaking his head after reading about Scharnhorst, the muling and puking about prices of kits in the UK and a bunch of other nonsense about unrelated stuff to the topic in question.  A few notes about detail differences emerged but not much else.  Let's not forget that the purpose of this section of the web site is for information and help to other modelers, not a venue for some to tote up a massive amount of "replies" to posts.

One obvious point not even noted except as an aside in one post was that the Dragon kit is a waterline option and the Trumpeter kit is a full hull.  That would be something USEFUL to point out in the differences between the kits.  The Trumpeter kit would be very difficult to waterline for those of us who model waterline kits and that is something many people want to know.  

Another thing that would be nice to know from comparisons of the two kits is how is the fit of the parts.  Some Trumpeter kits are awful in that regard as noted, however, WHAT ABOUT THIS KIT?  Dragon kits generally have excellent fit, but again, what about this one?

Let's have some helpful information given for a change.

Ditto

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Posted by VanceCrozier on Saturday, March 19, 2011 3:09 PM

Manstein's revenge

 

 Dreadnought52:

 

Having read this excruciatingly long thread to the end I have to say that it is one of the least valuable blasts of hot air I have ever seen on this site.  Anyone looking at this thread for real information would come away shaking his head after reading about Scharnhorst, the muling and puking about prices of kits in the UK and a bunch of other nonsense about unrelated stuff to the topic in question.  A few notes about detail differences emerged but not much else.  Let's not forget that the purpose of this section of the web site is for information and help to other modelers, not a venue for some to tote up a massive amount of "replies" to posts.

One obvious point not even noted except as an aside in one post was that the Dragon kit is a waterline option and the Trumpeter kit is a full hull.  That would be something USEFUL to point out in the differences between the kits.  The Trumpeter kit would be very difficult to waterline for those of us who model waterline kits and that is something many people want to know.  

Another thing that would be nice to know from comparisons of the two kits is how is the fit of the parts.  Some Trumpeter kits are awful in that regard as noted, however, WHAT ABOUT THIS KIT?  Dragon kits generally have excellent fit, but again, what about this one?

Let's have some helpful information given for a change.

 

Ditto

 

...and there are already several other threads that are completely dedicated to nonsense & useless information!

On the bench: Airfix 1/72 Wildcat; Airfix 1/72 Vampire T11; Airfix 1/72 Fouga Magister

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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, March 19, 2011 8:15 PM

VanceCrozier

 Manstein's revenge:

 

 Dreadnought52:

 

Having read this excruciatingly long thread to the end I have to say that it is one of the least valuable blasts of hot air I have ever seen on this site.  Anyone looking at this thread for real information would come away shaking his head after reading about Scharnhorst, the muling and puking about prices of kits in the UK and a bunch of other nonsense about unrelated stuff to the topic in question.  A few notes about detail differences emerged but not much else.  Let's not forget that the purpose of this section of the web site is for information and help to other modelers, not a venue for some to tote up a massive amount of "replies" to posts.

One obvious point not even noted except as an aside in one post was that the Dragon kit is a waterline option and the Trumpeter kit is a full hull.  That would be something USEFUL to point out in the differences between the kits.  The Trumpeter kit would be very difficult to waterline for those of us who model waterline kits and that is something many people want to know.  

Another thing that would be nice to know from comparisons of the two kits is how is the fit of the parts.  Some Trumpeter kits are awful in that regard as noted, however, WHAT ABOUT THIS KIT?  Dragon kits generally have excellent fit, but again, what about this one?

Let's have some helpful information given for a change.

 

Ditto

 

 

...and there are already several other threads that are completely dedicated to nonsense & useless information!

Ditto

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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, March 21, 2011 10:50 AM

I hope that eitehr Trump or Dragon will soon release a British 350th destroyer (anything but the Tribal class---I want one of the workhorse alphabet ones) and a Japanese one as well...

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Posted by warshipbuilder on Thursday, March 24, 2011 5:24 AM

For the sake of UK buyers I hope Dragon steer well clear of anything RN & DKM in future, otherwise none of us will be able to afford them.

 

I have just ordered Trumpeter's Zerstorer for the princely sum of £27 delivered to the door.

Although not yet here in the UK Dragon's Z39 is looking like it'll be double this.

I'd doubt that it offers Double the value for money though.

 

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Posted by Tracy White on Thursday, March 24, 2011 3:19 PM

So you've said ad nauseum.

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Posted by Aaron Skinner on Thursday, March 24, 2011 3:25 PM

Gents,

Stop sniping and agree to disagree, or I'll torpedo the whole thread. Anyone remember when we didn't have any kits of German destroyers?

Aaron

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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, March 24, 2011 3:31 PM

Ditto

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Posted by warshipbuilder on Thursday, March 24, 2011 6:52 PM

No sniping here - merely statements of fact.

If you have an issue I would suggest you take it up directly with those concerned.

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Posted by ddp59 on Thursday, March 24, 2011 10:21 PM

warshipbuilder,  might want to read what is at the bottom of aaron's  post.

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Posted by rayb24 on Thursday, March 24, 2011 11:00 PM

Now that's a darned good suggestion as to what is wanted next. A WWII Royal Navy Destroyer or how about WWII County Class Cruiser please pretty please.

As to the whole Trumpeter/ Dragon prices. Factor in hours of enjoyment per model and they are darned cheap.

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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, March 25, 2011 8:17 AM

I have the Trump German destroyer and there was a recent WIP in here on it...I was wondering if anyone has one of the Dragon ones in their hands yet and can post pics and/or give their opinion on it...???  I'm thinking of getting it as well...

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Posted by Dreadnought52 on Friday, March 25, 2011 8:26 AM

A review of the kit with pictures of the parts, directions, etc. can be found here: http://www.modelwarships.com/reviews/reviews.html

 

There should be plenty of grist for you mill therein.   After seeing these pictures I bought the Dragon kit and I must say it is a jewel of a kit with beautiful detail.   WS

 

 

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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, March 25, 2011 3:59 PM

I wonder where the class-name "destroyer" came from??? 

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Posted by Dreadnought52 on Friday, March 25, 2011 4:06 PM

The original ships were labeled torpedo boat destroyers and were intended to protect the battleships from.....drumroll... torpedo boats.   WS

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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, March 25, 2011 4:18 PM

I often have wondered what constituted a "frigate" in WW2?

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Posted by EdGrune on Friday, March 25, 2011 6:21 PM

Larger than a Corvette,  same size as a DE.   Armament same to less than a DE.   Speed and range less than a DE.  Used for coastal and patrol operations,   not open ocean escort

http://www.navsource.org/archives/12/08idx.htm

 

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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, March 25, 2011 8:14 PM

I wonder what makes a "corvette" a "corvette"?

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Posted by WallyM3 on Friday, March 25, 2011 8:27 PM

Chevrolet?

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Posted by Tracy White on Saturday, March 26, 2011 2:11 PM

WallyM3
Chevrolet?

I was going to say, "originally the 'Blue Flame' six cylinder engine," but I'm rather partial to the L-88

Tracy White Researcher@Large

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Posted by WallyM3 on Saturday, March 26, 2011 2:41 PM

Good on you, Tracy. (LOL)

One final OT transgression: I'm running a Tahoe that's got 125,000 on it and a 3/4 ton Suburban with 85,000. Both bought new and very faithful "Destroyers".

 

Now I'll skulk away.Propeller

 

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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, March 28, 2011 7:17 AM

I love destroyers...

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Posted by ddp59 on Monday, March 28, 2011 4:45 PM

i thought you loved tirpitz!! wait til bismarck finds out you 2 timer man!!!

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