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The Constitution Escapes, July 1812 - The Project

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Posted by Vagabond_Astronomer on Tuesday, August 9, 2011 5:51 PM

Billyboy

 

I think the parallels to what happened with the Supermarine Spitfire as it developed between marks I and 24, are quite marked!

 

Will

...which happens to be my favorite (erm, favourite) aircraft, bar none (especially fond of the later marks). But I digress.

But you're right, the research is quite a bit of fun.

More images tonight.

RL

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The Constitution Escapes, July 1812 - The Project - Deck Details, Shannon
Posted by Vagabond_Astronomer on Tuesday, August 9, 2011 6:45 PM

Detailing the Shannon - Deck - 

The Shannon actually has a layout  similar to the Constitution, albeit smaller; this was very typical. However, trying to find specific information on the Shannon was not so easy. The Leda class frigates evolved over time, and in doing so changed in many subtle ways. The deck layout for my model of the Shannon is based upon an amalgamation of standard Royal Navy practice as well as the surviving Ledas, the Unicorn and Trincomalee. Needless to say, there is a little guess work here. As with the Constitution, fife rails and bits were fashioned from styrene strip, and I utilized my grating paper on styrene for the hatches once more. To frame the main hatch, I once again employed the .060" styrene channel. Openings for the catheads were drilled and they were added from styrene strip. I made the ship's wheel from my photoetched stock and styrene. The capstan was made from the back of a fancy toothpick. cut and then painted. The glossy spots are white glue, and they will be dulled down.

Another shot. I fashioned the railing just aft of the main hatch from more strip stock. The bow bulwarks were worked from sheet styrene, which I forgot to pierce for the bow chasers. C'est la vie.

More details coming.


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Posted by Tnonk on Tuesday, August 9, 2011 8:17 PM

Looking Good Rob!!

Great job on the decks.  The pencil method on the cardstock looks really nice & the details you've added make it hard to believe it's 1/450.

Keep up the great work!

 

Adrian

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Posted by warshipguy on Wednesday, August 10, 2011 1:50 PM

Rob,

Just got the card today . . . thanks! 

Bill

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Posted by shannonman on Friday, August 12, 2011 4:54 AM

don't know if this helps or not, but this guy  is/was making a 1/96 Shannon , and its a good shot [pun ] of the stern .

"Follow me who can" Captain Philip Broke. H.M.S. Shannon 1st June 1813.
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BREAKING NEWS... of sorts...
Posted by Vagabond_Astronomer on Friday, August 12, 2011 7:20 PM

I was just browsing a certain very popular auction site. When I discovered that both models were closer to 1/450, I mentioned that perhaps I could always look for the old Gowland Constitution for conversion into the Chesapeake. The Gowland models went on the Addar many years later, and then on to obscurity. Well, there is an Addar Constitution on aforementioned auction site right now. 

With images.

And it is the waterline version of the Shannon. Indeed, it is identical save for the stern wraps.

Now the question remains; who tooled first? I am aware that early Airfix literally copied the Aurora (and Lindberg) Spitfire Mk.I/II/V-or-something for their first 1/72 airplane kit. Did Gowland tool this first, or was it Airfix?

Curiouser and curiouser...

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Well, This Certainly Explains A Lot
Posted by Vagabond_Astronomer on Friday, August 12, 2011 8:07 PM

And then, suddenly, there's this. This is Addar's "Ship in a Bottle" kit of the Constitution (by the way, thanks Terry).

Look carefully. Yes, it is the original Shannon, right to waterline!

Even a stern wrap!

The sails!

Well, suffice to say... surprise!


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Whither the Shannon?
Posted by Vagabond_Astronomer on Saturday, August 13, 2011 7:04 AM

Since discovering that the Airfix HMS Shannon and the Addar (nee Gowland) USS Constitution are in fact identical, one might be tempted to stop and reexamine the entire project. Is this akin to doing a World War Two diorama representing the Battle of the Bulge and having both side using, say, M-48 Patton tanks, with the German ones modified as per many a 1960's movie?

Here, I must say nay.

Maritime design and practice in the late 18th century was moving from tradition to a science; it had been since the 17th century. It was no mere coincidence then that ship classes of different powers began to resemble one another, as the various navies began to settle on designs that worked. Maritime engineering relied as much on copying those things that were successful as it did true innovation. 

Both the Leda class frigates and the American super-frigates owe much to French design practice. The Leda were, in fact, copies of a French design, the Hébé class, modified sufficiently to suit Royal Navy needs. The Ledas themselves would be further modified, and as such served long with the Royal Navy; that the class was a success goes without saying, as it is one of the few 18th-19th century designs to be represented by not one but two surviving vessels, the Trincomalee and the Unicorn, the latter being of a much later and improved sub-class. There were evolutionary forces at work on ship design during this period, with each navy pushing their designs. Part of this evolution was, to a degree, convergent, which is to say that some foreign classes began to resemble one another; hence, in many ways, the Ledas began to look a bit like vest pocket American 44's.

Shannonman has been kind enough to supply links to another builder's larger model of the Shannon, and it has answered some questions as to the actual stern decoration as well as that of the bow. My own research has provided me with enough data that the deck detail appears to be somewhat correct, if not close. While it is true that some things were not done to this Shannon that should have been, namely the opening of the focs'l and quarterdeck gun ports, enough has been done as to create a fairly passable small scale model of the Shannon..

That being said, the project continues.

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Detailing the Shannon - Arming the Vessel & Final Hull Details
Posted by Vagabond_Astronomer on Saturday, August 13, 2011 10:24 PM

I use a mixture of plastic model building techniques and traditional scratchbuilding. An early influence for me was Derek Hunnisett. The techniques he employed had a profound affect on my miniature building. It as been years since I've built anything this small, and it was fun resurrecting those skills.

I chose the simplest solution for the armament on the focs'l and quarterdeck and opted for carronades. These were assembled with wooden barrels, .060" styrene channel stock and 1/16" styrene strip.

Some additional work was done on the stern; the original kit looked too "American".

The figurehead was made wire and white glue, then painted and placed on the prow.

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Posted by Tnonk on Saturday, August 13, 2011 11:00 PM

Fantastic work Rob!  The cannon look incredible.

I just received a Shannon that I got on ebay today and I gotta tell ya man - that's one little ship! (and I thought my Bounty was small!)

The work you've done on the Shannon is inspiring.

Great job.  Looking forward to you starting her rigging.

Adrian

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Posted by warshipguy on Sunday, August 14, 2011 11:35 AM

Rob,

I have a lot of these small sailing ship kits that I had intended to build with my grandchildren.  You have given me quite a few ideas on impoving them instead!

Bill

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Posted by Vagabond_Astronomer on Sunday, August 14, 2011 3:14 PM

warshipguy

Rob,

I have a lot of these small sailing ship kits that I had intended to build with my grandchildren.  You have given me quite a few ideas on impoving them instead!

Bill

Why, thank you, Bill!

I really like the idea of introducing another generation to this divine madness we call model building, and for many and by extension, maritime history. I do think, though, that introducing them to this is a great idea; just think that miniature models are great all by themselves!

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Posted by warshipguy on Sunday, August 14, 2011 4:53 PM

Rob,

I have already helped them build the Revell 1/1200 scale ships and have started them on some old Pyro sailing ships. They love it!

Bill

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Detailing the Constitution - Arming the Vessel
Posted by Vagabond_Astronomer on Sunday, August 14, 2011 10:51 PM

When many of us began serious model building, we learned techniques such as painting and finishing items while they are still on the sprue. That is what was done here. I chose to go with the Constitution kit's guns, converting them into carronades. Using my flat files, I removed the "wheels" and underside. The guns were then painted.

Before the guns were positioned, I cut a 1/16" strip of cardstock, painted it green and then cut it into 3/16" lengths. These were glued down first, followed by the guns. They are back all the way on their rails.

Our two frigates, side by side. 

More details yet to add, including a number of boats.

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A Pause & Reconsideration
Posted by Vagabond_Astronomer on Monday, August 22, 2011 8:03 PM

Obviously, I've taken a break on the project. There are a couple of things that need to happen before I continue too much further; it is getting to the point where I need to look at a 1/450 "crew" for both vessels, and am looking at how to accomplish that (a couple of options exist).

But a bigger issue has presented itself. On the day that the Constitution managed to pull away in that storm, the distance between the vessels had grown considerably... to 3 or 4 miles. In 1/450 scale, that is over 35 feet. 

The kedging option is now being considered.

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Posted by Billyboy on Tuesday, August 23, 2011 3:50 AM

Good to see this one is still on the 'burner'. Great little project.

I was reviewing your photos and I notice the stern of Shannon has 'HMS Shannon' printed on it. The Royal Navy never painted HMS on the stern of their ships, just the name. I hope you don't mind me mentioning it, but you know how it is once you notice something!

Will

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Posted by Vagabond_Astronomer on Tuesday, August 23, 2011 6:56 AM

Billyboy

Good to see this one is still on the 'burner'. Great little project.

I was reviewing your photos and I notice the stern of Shannon has 'HMS Shannon' printed on it. The Royal Navy never painted HMS on the stern of their ships, just the name. I hope you don't mind me mentioning it, but you know how it is once you notice something!

Will

I chose to stick with as much of the original Airfix wrap as possible; didn't even think about that (oops).

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Posted by Billyboy on Wednesday, August 24, 2011 10:24 AM

No probs old chap. I remember putting photos of a biplane build up on the web with the camo colours obviously reversed- no comment at all. The first comment to my photos of the finished, fully rigged, model was 'you are aware the colours are the wrong way round...?'

On an unrelated subject, I would like to see a 35ft long diorama...

Will

 

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Posted by Vagabond_Astronomer on Wednesday, August 24, 2011 10:32 AM

Billyboy

On an unrelated subject, I would like to see a 35ft long diorama...

Will

 

The Mrs. and I were discussing that very thing; the dimensions would be something like 10" x 10" x 420". Heck of a glass case that.

I have decided with the kedging diorama, but am needing to put it off whilst I order some more supplies for the project (and try to figure out how I am going to pay for same). Meanwhile, I decided to keep myself busy with another project. Pics coming soon.

Rob

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Posted by Billyboy on Wednesday, August 24, 2011 11:52 AM

Sounds good. Something about the prospect of tiny etched (?) figures rowing furiously in equally tiny open boats is quite exciting..

While you mention the cost of additional details- I have used these etched shroud/ratline assemblies in the past with success-  https://www.whiteensignmodels.com/p/Atlantic+Models+1350+1400+Ratlines+ATEM+07/1034/

 

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