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Picked up a Scientific Cutty Sark
Posted by philo426 on Wednesday, September 12, 2012 3:50 PM

I traded for this Scientific Cutty Sark (kit #163-1895) Do you guys have any tips or areas to look out for?The decks are not diecut so I will have to take care when cutting them out,      

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Posted by Don Stauffer on Thursday, September 13, 2012 8:34 AM

Ah, I fondly remember Scientific ship kits. I started building model ships when I was about 12, which would be about 1950 or so.  First two ship models were Scientific, a revenue cutter and then the Constitution.  Finished the cutter out-of-box, but bought commercial fittings (blocks, deadeyes, etc) for the Constitution.  Die cutting was just getting going in those days, so whether it was an airplane, ship, or whatever, cutting the parts out with a razor blade, or #11 X-acto was pretty standard.  The ships did make up fairly nice finished models, especially if you bought aftermarket rigging fittings.

Model Shipways kits were definitely better, but they cost far more than the Scientific kits, so I did not buy a MS kit till I was an adult.

Don Stauffer in Minnesota

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Posted by philo426 on Tuesday, September 25, 2012 8:04 AM
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Posted by warshipguy on Tuesday, September 25, 2012 12:25 PM

Scientific kits were a great way for kids to start building wood ships.  I have a few that I am saving for my grandchildren.  They are fairly easy builds, look somewhat decent when completed, and they are of a large enough size that they can be easily super detailed with effort. I enjoyed them.

Bill

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Posted by philo426 on Thursday, September 27, 2012 9:11 PM

I had to cut the stern rail out of plastic  i235.photobucket.com/.../001-25.jpg

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Posted by Ray Marotta on Thursday, September 27, 2012 10:36 PM

I've got one of those in a footlocker at my Parent's home.  Bought it in 1974...

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Posted by paulhelfrich on Thursday, September 27, 2012 11:20 PM

Those are great old kits.  I built their USS Kearsarge about 20 years ago - my first attempt at a wooden model of any type.

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Posted by philo426 on Friday, September 28, 2012 8:37 AM

Cool1Do you still have it?Post a pic of it!

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Posted by philo426 on Thursday, October 4, 2012 9:15 AM

Masked off and painted the waterline.   i235.photobucket.com/.../001-30.jpg

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Posted by tankerbuilder on Thursday, October 4, 2012 10:45 AM

AH,I remember those.I ,like DON ,had my first exposure to sailing ships with that brand. They weren,t bad.Now of course they seem basic to many.

Basic ,yes but with patience build into very nice looking ship models. you seem to be doing alright.    TANKER-builder

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Posted by philo426 on Thursday, October 4, 2012 1:15 PM

Yeah Tanker it is a warm up to a plank on bulkhead kit that utilizes actual planking on the hull.a very intriguing challenge indeed!  

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Posted by philo426 on Friday, October 5, 2012 11:50 PM
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Posted by philo426 on Monday, October 8, 2012 1:01 AM
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Posted by philo426 on Thursday, October 11, 2012 8:55 PM
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Posted by scottrc on Friday, October 12, 2012 12:02 PM

Great progress so far, keep up the good work.

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Posted by philo426 on Wednesday, October 24, 2012 9:54 AM

Coming along nicely.  i235.photobucket.com/.../003-7.jpg

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Posted by warshipguy on Wednesday, October 24, 2012 11:33 AM

Not bad!  I like the old Scientific kits as being relaxing builds.

Bill

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Posted by docidle on Wednesday, October 24, 2012 11:43 PM

Philo,

She's looking good!

Steve

       

 

 

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Posted by philo426 on Thursday, December 6, 2012 8:47 PM

http://s235.beta.photobucket.com/user/philo426/media/001-59.jpg.html

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Posted by philo426 on Thursday, December 6, 2012 8:50 PM

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Posted by philo426 on Thursday, December 6, 2012 8:54 PM
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Posted by philo426 on Thursday, December 6, 2012 8:55 PM

http://s235.beta.photobucket.com/user/philo426/media/001-59.jpg.html

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Posted by philo426 on Sunday, December 9, 2012 7:15 PM

Mounted it to the display board  

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Posted by jtilley on Monday, December 10, 2012 12:44 PM

I have pleasant memories of the old Scientific kits too.  But I also have some not-so-pleasant ones.

The big problem is that some of the kits had nice, basswood hulls and some had balsa ones.  When I was a little kid my mother bought me a Scientific Flying Cloud.  Not only the hull but all the other wood pieces (other than the round spars, which were birch) were made of balsa.  As I imagine everybody in this Forum knows, balsa wood is just about the worst conceivable material for ship modeling. The kit was a box full of hopeless trash.

That one balsamic experience turned me off to Scientific kits for a long time.  Years later, though, I took a careful look at a Scientific Golden Hind that was for sale in the hobby shop where I worked.  This one had a nice basswood hull, basswood strips and sheets, and a handsome set of plans by none other than George Campbell.  It was, as I remember, quite comparable to what Model Shipways, Marine Models, and Bluejacket were making at the time.

I don't know whether Scientific switched all its sailing ships from balsa to basswood at some point, or whether some particular kits were balsa and some were basswood throughout their history. Maybe somebody out there in the Forum knows.  (A balsa Soleil Royal?  The mind recoils at the thought.)

For the modeler of today, I guess my best suggestion is to find out what the wood material in the kit is before you spend any money on it.  If the hull and other wood parts are basswood, the kit probably will be a keeper (especially for a less-experienced modeler.)  But I wouldn't recommend a ship model kit with a balsa hull to anybody.

Youth, talent, hard work, and enthusiasm are no match for old age and treachery.

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Posted by warshipguy on Monday, December 10, 2012 1:51 PM

I know that many of their kits were originally released with balso hulls but were later switched to pine or basswood.  For example, their Sea Witch was a horrible kit with the balsa, but it builds into a nice display piece with the pine hull (and a little effort with detailing!).

Bill

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Posted by GMorrison on Monday, December 10, 2012 3:37 PM

This is pretty interesting, Philo.

I pulled out my Scientific CS and it's a completely different kit. I see yours is listed at 27" long. Mine's about 15". It's kit no. 174 of the "Collector's Series".

I bought it for $15 some years back at a church thrift sale. As soon as I opened it I closed it right back up and stuck it on a high shelf.

You did a great job, and being bigger is a good thing.

Here's the box:

The hull. I can't tell if it's pine or basswood, pretty sure it's the former.

The deck:

Linen sail sheet:

A nice little bag of fittings:

Gum backed flag sheet. Includes the cabin siding too:

Bow and stern:

I think the nicest thing is the big instruction sheet, "designed by Walter A. Musciano".

Walt Musciano is a "god" in the r/c and control line airplane model world. Here's his bio:

https://www.modelaircraft.org/files/MuscianoWalter.pdf

He was a draftsman at Brewster Aviation, and the instruction sheet shows it.

As I say, I'd rather watch you build yours! Nicely done.

 Modeling is an excuse to buy books.

 

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Posted by philo426 on Tuesday, December 11, 2012 12:04 AM

Very interesting I am pretty sure the hull is basswood.It sanded nicely and took the finish very well.It looks like your smaller version might have a balsa hull which may complicate the finishing and assembly sequence.

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Posted by jtilley on Tuesday, December 11, 2012 4:14 AM

Out of curiosity, I looked up Scientific on www.oldmodelkits.com.  The computer won't let me post the specific page, but if you go to that site and scroll down to "Scientific" in the "Manufacturer" drop-down box, you'll get it.

Quite an assortment - and the prices aren't as outlandish as many others on this site.  The site manager is, of course, technically wrong in describing the hulls as "hardwood."  (Basswood and pine are both technically hardwoods.)  But I think the ones that are described as having "hardwood" hulls aren't balsa.

Youth, talent, hard work, and enthusiasm are no match for old age and treachery.

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Posted by warshipguy on Tuesday, December 11, 2012 9:31 AM

This thread just inspired me to buy Scientific's Thermopylae on eBay.

Bill

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