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Zvezda 1/72 English Medieval Ship Thomas - Fin 28 April 2014

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  • From: Tempe AZ
Posted by docidle on Thursday, April 10, 2014 4:23 PM

Dave,

I agree with you, having coiled line on pin rails and on the deck does make a difference between a well made model and a model that stands out.  Don't get me wrong, a poorly built model ship does not magically become a masterpiece just because you coiled some lines for it. However, that being said, it is up to the modeler to make whatever decisions they want for their build and hopefully have fun building the dang thing.  

I have a hunch that it's the line you are having issues with and not your coiling technique. Especially after the rigging you did for your amazing Chebec.  I did an experiment with some line that was not Model Expo nor kit line.

Here is a series of photos to show you how I did this with a belaying pin rack, although it is really the same process I use with line coiled on the deck.  I just set it up with the length being greater than the width.  You might say that it is not a small coil but if you look at pictures of working ships, the length of the coil varies even on the same rail.  If you want, I'll set up a smaller length on the pin rail.  I hope this helps.

Steve

Here is the coil on the painter's tape already brushed with glue.

I use a straight safety razor blade to slip the coil off the tape.

Sorry this one is a bit blurry but this is the coil laid over the pin

And here is the coil brushed with water and just a bit of glue.  I played with it a bit more so that it lay better.

Once that dries, you have a coil laid over the pin rail.  As I said, to really make it look great, it needs to be moved around a bit.

       

 

 

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Posted by David_K on Friday, April 11, 2014 6:11 PM

I see....I really like the idea of using tape to help hold it down!  I guess it's not really necessary to make a jig to simulate the angle of a pinrail...

What kind of line is that?  Is it from the Syren company you mentioned before?

Also, how dilute do you make your elmer's when you use it to stiffen the coils....pretty much straight glue, or is it quite dilute?

I'm definitely going to do some more experimenting!  

Thanks!

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Posted by docidle on Friday, April 11, 2014 8:51 PM

Dave,

The line is from Syren and as Arnie says, it can get expensive; however, it looks great and it does not unravel like MoRope although I really like their served line. Check out www.modelbau-takelgarn.de, this is were I will be getting my served line from, although I would love to learn how to make my own line.

I dilute my glue with a 50/50 mix.   I will go with more water when I am draping the line over the rail and you could use a small drop of CA to hold the top of the line over the pin, although it works well without it.

I did a double line on the same rail so check it out.

Steve

       

 

 

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Posted by docidle on Sunday, April 13, 2014 6:58 PM

And now back to our regularly scheduled download.

Here is the process I used for the sheet and tack lines.  On both I started with the cleat tie off and the coiling of the line since it starts to get crowded with the different lines getting rigged.  I usually start the running rigging with the bow then work back towards the stern along the middle of the deck, then continue at the bow again and rig up from the inside and work out.  If you have been following this thread you'll notice that I started at the stern and worked forward.  I did it this way because the yard/sail had to be set up before I could start with the running rigging.

Before I raised the yard/sail, I set up all the blocks to make it easier to connect.  I always do this because it is easier to rig and serve the blocks while on the work desk then while hanging from the masts in midair

Here are the blocks first, tack forward, sheet aft.

At this point I am measuring lines both on the sheet and tack to make sure I'll have enough.

Now that I have an idea how much line I'll need I start to tie off at the forward cleat.

After I tied off the tack line at the cleat I coiled the line just like in previous photos.  You'll notice that I haven't finished the tie off at the chesstree.  This is to make sure I have the ability to adjust the tack lines later.

       

 

 

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Posted by docidle on Sunday, April 13, 2014 9:12 PM

Here is the rigging of the sheet lines.  The first photo is measuring the sheet lines to make sure I have enough.

Please note the port sheet line goes through the shrouds.

Again, I tied off at the aft cleat and coiled the line

The line is now fed through the sheet block.

This shot shows again that I left the tack and sheet lines unsecured at one end so that I can adjust them if needed.  They will be tied towards the end of the build.

The last shot also shows that I finally  attached the aft castle.  In the instructions the aft castle is glued down fairly early but that would make rigging some of the lines really difficult.

       

 

 

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Posted by David_K on Tuesday, April 15, 2014 6:15 PM

Almost there, Steve...Looks great!

I notice that some of the coiled line on deck is *weathery* looking, while some of the coils are still shiny and new....what do you use to weather your line?  Or do you just keep some of it looking new on purpose?

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Posted by docidle on Wednesday, April 16, 2014 12:21 AM

Thanks Dave, I have the wooden base sanded and hope to start staining it tomorrow, or at lease this weekend.  I also filed the brass pedestal notches so that the keel will fit into them.  The aft castle is on and the rigging attached, so I'll post some pics tomorrow or this weekend, so stay tuned!

In regards to the lines being weathered or not, I do make a distinction according to where the line is and what is its purpose.  Such as, the anchor rope, I used a thick Coral line and weathered it with a Burnt Umber oil wash first, then when that's dry, I used a bit of Pthalo Green to represent sea weed and muck from the harbor bottom, etc...  Other weathered lines were done with combinations of artist oils.  On other running rigging lines which would get an abundance of use, I left some of them pristine because the older ones were worn out and were replaced by the crew.

I actually used seven different sized lines on the Thomas, although I did not measure for the exact size, I just eyeballed them and used what looked right to me.

Steve

       

 

 

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Posted by docidle on Wednesday, April 16, 2014 9:26 PM

In the last set of photos, you can see a bit of the aft castle.  I have glued it down and added a bunch of rubber bands to hold it together.  The rudder is on now too.

Enjoy,

Steve

       

 

 

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Posted by docidle on Wednesday, April 23, 2014 12:47 PM

The beginning of the rigging for the braces.

Steve

       

 

 

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Posted by docidle on Friday, April 25, 2014 8:35 PM

Here are photos of the completed braces at the block and the tie off.

Steve

       

 

 

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Posted by docidle on Friday, April 25, 2014 8:38 PM

These are finished photos of the Tack and Sheet lines from block to tie off.

Steve

       

 

 

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Posted by docidle on Friday, April 25, 2014 8:44 PM

Getting ready to mount the Thomas.  I stained the board in Dark Walnut and used Deft Clear Gloss lacquer finish.  I think on the next build I'll go back to the Satin finish. The brass pedestals are from ModelExpo.

Steve

       

 

 

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Posted by docidle on Sunday, April 27, 2014 8:57 PM

I actually secured the Thomas to it's base this evening.  I put two coats of dull coat on her and called her done.  I will post final pictures tomorrow or Tuesday...... I still have to take them.

Steve

       

 

 

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Posted by docidle on Monday, April 28, 2014 6:14 PM

As promised, here are some final pictures of the Thomas.

Enjoy,

Steve

       

 

 

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Posted by docidle on Monday, April 28, 2014 6:21 PM

Here are some closeups.

       

 

 

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Posted by docidle on Monday, April 28, 2014 6:42 PM

                                                                            Fin

       

 

 

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Posted by David_K on Monday, April 28, 2014 7:50 PM

Magnifique!  Hard to believe she's actually done!

You are a master of your craft, Steve!

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     _~ )_)_~
     )_))_))_)
     _!__!__!_         
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   ~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    ~~~~~~~~~~~

Current Project:  Imai/ERTL Spanish Galleon #2

Recently Finished: Revell 1/96 Cutty Sark

Next Up:  ???

 

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Posted by arnie60 on Monday, April 28, 2014 8:39 PM

Excellent finish!

I love how simple a ship she is, but still reeks of character which you have done a fine job of emphasizing. Thanks for sharing your work here.

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  • From: Tempe AZ
Posted by docidle on Monday, April 28, 2014 11:18 PM

Dave and Arnie,

Thank you gentlemen I really appreciate the remarks.  Now, back to the Nina and Pinta!

Steve

       

 

 

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