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  • Member since
    November 2005
  • From: Formerly Bryan, now Arlington, Texas
Posted by CapnMac82 on Sunday, November 23, 2014 2:36 AM

Distances at sea are deceptive.  First off, ships, even lumbering merchantmen (perhaps especially lumbering merchantmen) need quite a bit of room to maneuver--stopping and turning distances are measured in hundreds, even thousands of yards.  "Fog Distance" closed convoys up to 2000 yards (apx 1 nautical mile) fore-and-aft, and 1000 yards P&S.  This is "danger close" to use the artillery parlance.

At 8kts, a ship covers 266 yards per minute.  if the ship in front of you loses power or steering and you put your own helm over in fog conditions, you are 1/4 way to the next convoy file in just 60 seconds.  That gives you about 60 more seconds to reverse your helm and try to get back on a parallel course.  And, that, only if the ship ahead has not fallen out of line in the same direction as you steered to avoid her.

So, yes, a 20 ship convoy at 2 mile separation is a big block, about 10 x 10 miles.  But, escorts with 14-15kt cruise speeds can easily circle an 8-9kt convoy.  That, and escorts do not merely march alongside a convoy like a sergeant minding a company.  Instead, they are stood out away from the convoy where their sensors  work best, where their weapons have the greatest fields of fire.

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Posted by amphib on Sunday, November 23, 2014 7:21 AM

A standard amphibious cruising formation in the 1960s was 2000 yards P&S. Don't remember the fore and aft distance. Woe betide the OD who couldn't keep station at 2000 yds when the entire formation was moving at a speed of around 16 to 17 knots. Standard turning circle for an AKA or APA was 2000 yds and stopping distance was around a mile and a half.

Want to approximate the experience? Find a patch of glare ice and drive a rear wheel drive car on it when there is a day with a strong wind. Do not use your brakes. Try driving at a moderate speed and you will quickly understand what maneuvering a big single screw ship would be like.

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