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Metal Earth: a humiliating confession

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  • Member since
    June 2014
  • From: New Braunfels , Texas
Posted by Tanker - Builder on Monday, November 7, 2016 8:39 AM

Hi ;

 Smee Agin ! I got to thinking about this very carefully . I realized another problem with " Metal Earth products . Can you say Orthographic Projection ( Perspective ) ?

       These and some P.E. I know of have directions that sometimes can confuse a builder .Why ? Well , they project say , a three Quarter view of the part in place .

 Sometimes it's color coded sometimes not. This then requires an ability to mentally picture the product at this assembly point and the parts relationship there .

 No , I do not recommend these , for those who didn't pay attention in art or engineering related classes .    T.B.

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    March 2005
  • From: West Virginia, USA
Posted by mfsob on Sunday, November 13, 2016 12:29 PM

What was the name of that book about the French Indochina War?

Oh, yeah, Hell in a Very Small Place. I have found that with these Metal Earth kits.

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    June 2014
  • From: New Braunfels , Texas
Posted by Tanker - Builder on Wednesday, November 16, 2016 8:07 AM

Hey , Mfsob ;

   Listen here , I didn't know about that book . As to " Metal earth " Time is the ruler here . Take the time and read the instructions ten times if you want . Then do the step described once .

 But really , I feel they are a good primer for anyone getting into P.E. . As I said if you can do one , then P.E. will be a lot easier .

 The antennas on gun directors in 1/96 for example are no easy task . Even harder in 1/350 . So there you have it .The simplest  "Metal Earth " kit will help train the eyes ( no matter how bad or good ) and hands in this small metal bending world .

  One important thing I picked up on .The blade you use , ( if you choose to use one ) to remove the parts should be gone over with a Black magic marker . This way you get closer to the sprue when you cut the part off .You can see where you are putting the blade !

    I recommend the same technique with the P.E. Scissors ( which I really don't care for ). I use a cheap pair of " Jewelers " cutters with one absolutely flat face and modify them for P.E. ( narrow the tips from top to bottom .) These are much better for the kits .

 The P.E. Scissors require a cut at a shallow angle into a tight space . The cutters I modify and use can go in at 90 Degrees to the part. Keeping them sharp is no problem either .  T.B.         P.S. Before I get into an intense P.E. part session , I do a  "Metal Earth " kit to warm up these old arthritic hands . It works !

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  • From: Twin Cities of Minnesota
Posted by Don Stauffer on Wednesday, November 16, 2016 9:08 AM

The metal earth kits seem to be stainless steel PE.  I find that much harder to cut than the brass.  I can usually deal with the brass stuff okay, but sure struggle with the s.s. stuff.  I worry about it dulling my knife blades and Xuron cutter quickly.

 

Don Stauffer in Minnesota

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    June 2014
  • From: New Braunfels , Texas
Posted by Tanker - Builder on Wednesday, November 16, 2016 6:20 PM

Don ;

  That's why I bought the jewelry cutters . It cuts stainless fine And works well with most wire rod in brass up to .010 .Stainless a little smaller . On the stainless I do a light annealing . That seems to help .

    Of course you can't do that to the M.E. parts . So this cutter with it's perfectly flat surface on one side cannot be beat . They have light orchid colored handles and are available at Hobby - Lobby !     T.B. 

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  • From: Ohio
Posted by David2080 on Wednesday, November 16, 2016 8:17 PM

Someone mentioned problems with curved pieces.  I have done three airplanes and I found I could get a nice symetrical fuselage by curving the piece around a drill.

I'm just getting back into modeling after 20 or so years so I was looking at the Metal Earth kits as a good training ground for PE.

 

I enjoy them. I have a LEM and a USS Arizona to do yet.  I helped my daughter with an Eiffel Tower. I don't think any of them took more than two hours. 

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  • From: New Braunfels , Texas
Posted by Tanker - Builder on Thursday, November 17, 2016 5:58 AM

Yes;

     I found that if I carefully curve the parts or shape them on foam ( a nose cone or such ) .They come out okay . My Chinook has ALL the right shapes in the surfaces .Wasn't any harder than P.E.

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    May 2016
Posted by Raulduke on Thursday, November 17, 2016 4:30 PM
Hey, tanker builder, you made a great point with the orthographic projection thing. It happens to me now and then even with plastic kit instructions. Sometimes the image will just pop out at you in reverse. Mike
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  • From: New Braunfels , Texas
Posted by Tanker - Builder on Saturday, November 19, 2016 8:40 AM

Yeah !

 For years after Nam I had a strange vision problem . I would look at an instruction sheet and something seemed off .Turns out the left eye was not seeing in the right way . Some kind of nerve thing .A little time at the eye surgeon's fixed that . Now I am only partly confused . LOL.LOL.  T.B.     P.S. Guess the gord got rattled too many times LOL.LOL.

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  • From: West Virginia, USA
Posted by mfsob on Saturday, October 28, 2017 2:30 PM

I think, after careful reconsideration, and the fact that I just spent about 2 hours completing ONE engine for their B-17 kit, I'm sticking to my original observation - Metal Earth kits are hell in a very small, albeit stainless steel, place.

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  • From: New Braunfels , Texas
Posted by Tanker - Builder on Tuesday, October 31, 2017 12:25 PM

Yeah They are !

 Now that said , They will definitely prepare you for Most Photoetched kits including EDUARD and BIG ED  , Which have a lot of stainless in them . T.B.  I found this out with the 1/350 ALABAMA kit .

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  • From: Willamette Valley, Oregon
Posted by goldhammer on Tuesday, October 31, 2017 12:35 PM

Did their Huey for a bud who was a crew chief/doorgunner on one back in the day.  Decent little thing that went together well.  Have the Arizona, and not ready to attempt her quite yet.

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Posted by jojo319 on Tuesday, October 31, 2017 3:07 PM

I always buy these things at Hobby Lobby using the app. It has a 40% off coupon every week. I hope this helps!

  • Member since
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  • From: Twin Cities of Minnesota
Posted by Don Stauffer on Wednesday, November 1, 2017 8:57 AM

One problem is that forming sheet metal into compound curves is quite difficult, especially a hard stainless.  One can tell by looking at pictures of them that many subjects do not lend themselves well to PE contstruction.

I have bought two construction vehicles, an excavator and a bulldozer.  These, especially the dozer, have few panels where the prototype has a compound curve (curves in two dimensions).  I think I can make pretty good models from these with a bit of extra detailing. 

I think a model of one of the new stealth destroyers with faceted surfaces would work well.

 

Don Stauffer in Minnesota

  • Member since
    July 2014
  • From: Philadelphia Pa
Posted by Nino on Thursday, November 2, 2017 2:14 PM

Don,

  I have done a few. I found they were not good choices as gifts for my Oldest Grandchild to build. He is now the Reciprient of a Tiger I, Millenium Falcon, and AT-AT Walker.

     I found it was good practice for learning patience and forming metal. And, they actually look quite good in a Decorative sort of way. When I had them at my house visitors took note of them more so then my wifes' Precious Moments figures.

       Jim.

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