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Posted by arnie60 on Saturday, April 11, 2015 10:39 PM

I don't know if you are trying to rig hooks to your blocks, but if you are you should check these out.

http://www.syrenshipmodelcompany.com/miniature-rope.php#!/3mm-Black-hooks-for-rigging-your-ship-model/p/39516229/category=11571018

I wish Chuck had had these when I was rigging all those carronades on the spar deck of my Connie. I split, cracked and lost a ton of blocks trying to use wire myself. 

Click on the 'view detailed images' link to the right under the checkout bag link for a better idea. 

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Posted by ejhammer on Saturday, April 11, 2015 6:40 PM

Not much accomplished this week. Installed the brass traveler bar at the rudder. Started to prep parts for the rigging. 8 blocks were supplied (3mm), so I started wrapping them with brass wire for loops, but lost 2 and never found them, broke 4 more wrapping the wire. Tried to make a couple but gave up on that.  Ordered a couple packs of them from the LHS and got some smaller brass wire. I'll try annealing it before installation, if not, I have some small soft copper strands from wire clipping in the workshop scrap bucket, from 28 ga to 12 ga. Something's got to work. Also, the eyebolts supplied are actually small brass cotter pins. The eye portion is kinda tear-drop shaped which I didn't like the look of, so, I tried to close the eye and round it off by inserting a round plier tip in the eye and squeezing the shank to round out and "smallerize" the hole. Broke one leg off 4 of those, so picked up a pack of them as well. I think I'll wind up making my own eye bolts from an appropriately gauged brass wire.

The new blocks will be in on Tuesday.

EJ

Completed - 1/525 Round Two Lindberg repop of T2A tanker done as USS MATTAPONI, USS ESSEX 1/700 Hasegawa Dec 1942, USS Yorktown 1/700 Trumpeter 1943. In The Yards - USS ESSEX 1/700 Hasegawa 1945, USS ESSEX 1/700 Dragon 1944, USS ESSEX 1/700 Trumpeter 1945, USS ESSEX 1/540 Revell (vintage) 1962, USS ESSEX 1/350 Trumpeter 1942, USS ESSEX LHD-2 as commissioned, converted from USS Wasp kit Gallery Models. Plus 35 other plastic and wood ship kits.

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Posted by ejhammer on Sunday, April 5, 2015 7:40 PM

Finished up the crib. Now I can install the centerboard and set the model down without breaking it off.

The installed newly made pintles (hinges). It works very nice.

Coming along nicely.

Next - the masts and spars.

EJ

Completed - 1/525 Round Two Lindberg repop of T2A tanker done as USS MATTAPONI, USS ESSEX 1/700 Hasegawa Dec 1942, USS Yorktown 1/700 Trumpeter 1943. In The Yards - USS ESSEX 1/700 Hasegawa 1945, USS ESSEX 1/700 Dragon 1944, USS ESSEX 1/700 Trumpeter 1945, USS ESSEX 1/540 Revell (vintage) 1962, USS ESSEX 1/350 Trumpeter 1942, USS ESSEX LHD-2 as commissioned, converted from USS Wasp kit Gallery Models. Plus 35 other plastic and wood ship kits.

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Posted by ejhammer on Saturday, April 4, 2015 12:15 PM

Back on the Flattie -

In the last week I've been looking for "prettier" woods to use for wood boat trim with limited success. Never seem to find exactly what I want and if I do it's usually out of stock. So, out to the workshop. In the "save this" bin, I found blocks of American black walnut, mahogany (not sure what kind), rosewood, clear western red cedar, various types of pine, clear redwood and a few I'm not sure of what they are. Spent about 3 hours building a fixture for the table saw to cut very narrow strips. The pics show what I was able to do. Able to get down to 1/16" X 1/16". pretty nice. I'm working on a fixture for the drill press to use as a thickness sander.

Next - went to work with the new soldering stuff. Making the Pintles and Gudgeons for the rudder. I call em hinges. I tried the lower melting point solder first, 275 degrees,  but had two joints fail, so then used the higher temp silver solder, 430 degrees, with great success. The low temp I think might work very well with PE railings and such, but the high temp seems to be better for joints that might get stressed. Anyway, they are done and ready to install.

The materials -

Bent, fitted and soldered,

Cut off, pins fitted and cleaned up, ready for paint.

Next, the crib to set it on.

EJ

Completed - 1/525 Round Two Lindberg repop of T2A tanker done as USS MATTAPONI, USS ESSEX 1/700 Hasegawa Dec 1942, USS Yorktown 1/700 Trumpeter 1943. In The Yards - USS ESSEX 1/700 Hasegawa 1945, USS ESSEX 1/700 Dragon 1944, USS ESSEX 1/700 Trumpeter 1945, USS ESSEX 1/540 Revell (vintage) 1962, USS ESSEX 1/350 Trumpeter 1942, USS ESSEX LHD-2 as commissioned, converted from USS Wasp kit Gallery Models. Plus 35 other plastic and wood ship kits.

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Posted by ejhammer on Friday, April 3, 2015 2:23 PM

Completed - 1/525 Round Two Lindberg repop of T2A tanker done as USS MATTAPONI, USS ESSEX 1/700 Hasegawa Dec 1942, USS Yorktown 1/700 Trumpeter 1943. In The Yards - USS ESSEX 1/700 Hasegawa 1945, USS ESSEX 1/700 Dragon 1944, USS ESSEX 1/700 Trumpeter 1945, USS ESSEX 1/540 Revell (vintage) 1962, USS ESSEX 1/350 Trumpeter 1942, USS ESSEX LHD-2 as commissioned, converted from USS Wasp kit Gallery Models. Plus 35 other plastic and wood ship kits.

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Posted by GMorrison on Monday, March 30, 2015 11:47 PM

Negotiating a Willie Bennett Skipjack from the LHS for fair price.

 Modeling is an excuse to buy books.

 

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Posted by CapnMac82 on Monday, March 30, 2015 10:44 PM

Went browsing eBay after a rather pleasant trip about the Midwest site.

The Sharpie (and the Sharpie Schooners) seem to sell for circa $75.

Not sure if that increase or decreases my desire for one.

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Posted by ejhammer on Monday, March 30, 2015 8:11 PM

Thank you TB

EJ

Completed - 1/525 Round Two Lindberg repop of T2A tanker done as USS MATTAPONI, USS ESSEX 1/700 Hasegawa Dec 1942, USS Yorktown 1/700 Trumpeter 1943. In The Yards - USS ESSEX 1/700 Hasegawa 1945, USS ESSEX 1/700 Dragon 1944, USS ESSEX 1/700 Trumpeter 1945, USS ESSEX 1/540 Revell (vintage) 1962, USS ESSEX 1/350 Trumpeter 1942, USS ESSEX LHD-2 as commissioned, converted from USS Wasp kit Gallery Models. Plus 35 other plastic and wood ship kits.

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Posted by tankerbuilder on Monday, March 30, 2015 1:51 PM

E.J.

    You have done an admirable piece of work on the " Flattie ". If you apply this quality of work to everything , no wonders you are a true craftsman . Well Done and good voyages .  I have the Lobster boat  " Skipjack and a Midwest Life Boat . Haven't built them yet  .Now you make me want to .     Tanker - Builder

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Posted by ejhammer on Sunday, March 29, 2015 12:52 PM

Thank you both for your comments.

My first model was the Revell USS ESSEX in her new angled deck configuration I built in about 1958. My son found a vintage kit that I will be doing in the future. I never built another kit until nearly 50 years later, a 1/700 Hasegawa WWII ESSEX picked up at a garage sale for $8.00. That was an Essex class ship, but definitely not the ESSEX herself, so needed a bunch of alterations. Modeling has changed much in 50 years so I joined a local club in 2008 to learn all the new techniques  and have been building ever since.

Plastic, wood, resin, even PE and paper, but usually something that floats, I have fun with them all.

EJ

Completed - 1/525 Round Two Lindberg repop of T2A tanker done as USS MATTAPONI, USS ESSEX 1/700 Hasegawa Dec 1942, USS Yorktown 1/700 Trumpeter 1943. In The Yards - USS ESSEX 1/700 Hasegawa 1945, USS ESSEX 1/700 Dragon 1944, USS ESSEX 1/700 Trumpeter 1945, USS ESSEX 1/540 Revell (vintage) 1962, USS ESSEX 1/350 Trumpeter 1942, USS ESSEX LHD-2 as commissioned, converted from USS Wasp kit Gallery Models. Plus 35 other plastic and wood ship kits.

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Posted by ejhammer on Sunday, March 29, 2015 12:35 PM

I agree. I have done a Titanic lifeboat, Midwest Skiff, prospector canoe, and have a Lobster smack and the schooner "Elsie" waiting in the stash. I normally do U S Naval ships, mostly aircraft carriers and especially Essex class carriers with emphasis on the USS ESSEX, as I served aboard her in the early 60's. Carrier kit builds can take me a year or more to complete and I often slip into the "builder's doldrums" in the process. These little wood kits give me the opportunity to change the pace a bit, plus, having been a carpenter/builder most of my life, working with wood just seems to come naturally to me and having been a sailor myself, I enjoy anything that floats and the history that goes with it.  I've not contemplated doing a large sailing ship, and do not particularly like doing the rigging, but as you say, there is great history in smaller, working class boats that I find very interesting.

I've enjoyed this build, and hope I do justice to it for my deceased friend. I may wind up giving it to his family.

Thanks for your comments,

EJ

Completed - 1/525 Round Two Lindberg repop of T2A tanker done as USS MATTAPONI, USS ESSEX 1/700 Hasegawa Dec 1942, USS Yorktown 1/700 Trumpeter 1943. In The Yards - USS ESSEX 1/700 Hasegawa 1945, USS ESSEX 1/700 Dragon 1944, USS ESSEX 1/700 Trumpeter 1945, USS ESSEX 1/540 Revell (vintage) 1962, USS ESSEX 1/350 Trumpeter 1942, USS ESSEX LHD-2 as commissioned, converted from USS Wasp kit Gallery Models. Plus 35 other plastic and wood ship kits.

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Posted by GMorrison on Sunday, March 29, 2015 12:21 PM

I think everyone who asks about what to get into wood models with, should get a link to this thread

 Modeling is an excuse to buy books.

 

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Posted by jtilley on Sunday, March 29, 2015 11:09 AM

This is a fine thread. I'm a big fan of Midwest kits. Decent plans, decent materials, fine subjects, and the best instructions in the business.

They're terrific kits for getting into the hobby. If you start with a Midwest kit, you'll have a fine-looking model on your mantle in a few weeks - and you'll learn a great detail about techniques, materials, and terminology that will serve you well when you tackle something more sophisticated and time-consuming.

Too many people start in the hobby by announcing, "I'm going to build a perfect Victory/Constitution/Soleil Royal/Cutty Sark. I know you other guys took years to learn how to build models, but I'm different." If more people would go the Midwest route...well, more people would enjoy the hobby more, and stay in it longer. I have, of course been preaching that sermon, and getting ignored, for several decades.

People who think small craft are boring haven't learned enough about them. Virtually every small boat type has an interesting history, and represents a different response to the demands of nature and practicality. A banks dory, for instance, has a simple, highly ingenious shape that's just as worthy of study as a clipper ship. Well, almost.

Seems like a long time since Miwest issued a new kit. How about a Chesapeake Bay deadrise oyster boat? Or a New Haven sharpie? There are dozens of good, relatively simple subjects out there

Youth, talent, hard work, and enthusiasm are no match for old age and treachery.

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Posted by ejhammer on Sunday, March 29, 2015 10:21 AM

Thank you.

Completed - 1/525 Round Two Lindberg repop of T2A tanker done as USS MATTAPONI, USS ESSEX 1/700 Hasegawa Dec 1942, USS Yorktown 1/700 Trumpeter 1943. In The Yards - USS ESSEX 1/700 Hasegawa 1945, USS ESSEX 1/700 Dragon 1944, USS ESSEX 1/700 Trumpeter 1945, USS ESSEX 1/540 Revell (vintage) 1962, USS ESSEX 1/350 Trumpeter 1942, USS ESSEX LHD-2 as commissioned, converted from USS Wasp kit Gallery Models. Plus 35 other plastic and wood ship kits.

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Posted by CapnMac82 on Sunday, March 29, 2015 2:30 AM

Excellent work!

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Posted by ejhammer on Saturday, March 28, 2015 12:43 PM

third post

The boat and do - da's ready for fitting. Will add dressing, rope coils and other trappings of a working oyster boat. I boogered the deck stain yesterday by spilling a bit of clear gloss on it. Instead of waiting for it to dry, I tried to wipe it off, removing the clear matt, wiped stain down to the white undercoat. Crap!Sad Tried to touch it up, but it still shows some, so I'll cover it with a rope coil or crate or something.

The build has been fun though, it takes me a year to do an aircraft carrier.

Here she is at present.

The original post is the current state of the build. Picked up some brass rod and tube to make the rudder "hinges" out of and am working on a stand for it so I can set it down after the centerboard is installed.

 

Hope you like this little baby. Captain (I see a captain, but no sailors)

 

EJ

Completed - 1/525 Round Two Lindberg repop of T2A tanker done as USS MATTAPONI, USS ESSEX 1/700 Hasegawa Dec 1942, USS Yorktown 1/700 Trumpeter 1943. In The Yards - USS ESSEX 1/700 Hasegawa 1945, USS ESSEX 1/700 Dragon 1944, USS ESSEX 1/700 Trumpeter 1945, USS ESSEX 1/540 Revell (vintage) 1962, USS ESSEX 1/350 Trumpeter 1942, USS ESSEX LHD-2 as commissioned, converted from USS Wasp kit Gallery Models. Plus 35 other plastic and wood ship kits.

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  • From: Wyoming Michigan
Posted by ejhammer on Saturday, March 28, 2015 12:31 PM

Completed - 1/525 Round Two Lindberg repop of T2A tanker done as USS MATTAPONI, USS ESSEX 1/700 Hasegawa Dec 1942, USS Yorktown 1/700 Trumpeter 1943. In The Yards - USS ESSEX 1/700 Hasegawa 1945, USS ESSEX 1/700 Dragon 1944, USS ESSEX 1/700 Trumpeter 1945, USS ESSEX 1/540 Revell (vintage) 1962, USS ESSEX 1/350 Trumpeter 1942, USS ESSEX LHD-2 as commissioned, converted from USS Wasp kit Gallery Models. Plus 35 other plastic and wood ship kits.

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Posted by ejhammer on Saturday, March 28, 2015 11:05 AM

From the beginning then -

 

This kit came from a friend of mine ( his widow) that had started the kit but passes away at age 90, before he finished it. I want to build it in his memory and do it justice. It is a fairly simple kit as wood kits go, but should be fun to build. This is what I got. This style of Flattie was built in the Chesapeake Bay / Pamlico Sound area, but they were used in the Virginia / North Carolina area too, for hauling vegetables and fishing oysters. A flat bottom and a retractable centerboard gave them a very shallow draft, plus they could be run aground without causing damage. They were also fairly cheap to build.

 

Page two of the plan sheet was missing, but I got a replacement from Midwest Prod.

He had the keel, bulkheads, main deck and transom assembled, and the mast stepping blocks and keel strips installed. Quite a ways to go yet, but this part was well done. An inventory proved that only one strip of basswood was missing from the parts list.

And some extras - I don't know what I'll ever do with the huge bronze propellers.

Should be a fun little boat to build.

 

Well, after looking a bit closer, I discovered the transom/stern board and the main deck were mis-aligned, and there was a small "hump" in the deck where the keel board was. So, I cut the join, adjusted the positions and re-glued it all.

Next, started installing the chines. Put them in the soaker for a while, then glued the stern ends in place.

While the glue set up, I soaked the Panels for the cabin sides then set them in a jig to dry in the appropriate curve.

I bent the chines to the notches in the bulkheads and glued them up. When the glue set, I cut the bow ends to fit and glued them in place.

Then spent some time with a sanding block and "faired in" the chines, stern board, bow stiffeners, ready for planking.

Next day, when the cabin walls were dry, I installed them, sanded them to fit and installed the cabin roof beam.

Then, the cabin roof.

More in the next post - time for lunch. Captain

 

EJ

 

Completed - 1/525 Round Two Lindberg repop of T2A tanker done as USS MATTAPONI, USS ESSEX 1/700 Hasegawa Dec 1942, USS Yorktown 1/700 Trumpeter 1943. In The Yards - USS ESSEX 1/700 Hasegawa 1945, USS ESSEX 1/700 Dragon 1944, USS ESSEX 1/700 Trumpeter 1945, USS ESSEX 1/540 Revell (vintage) 1962, USS ESSEX 1/350 Trumpeter 1942, USS ESSEX LHD-2 as commissioned, converted from USS Wasp kit Gallery Models. Plus 35 other plastic and wood ship kits.

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Posted by ejhammer on Wednesday, March 25, 2015 8:21 PM

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Completed - 1/525 Round Two Lindberg repop of T2A tanker done as USS MATTAPONI, USS ESSEX 1/700 Hasegawa Dec 1942, USS Yorktown 1/700 Trumpeter 1943. In The Yards - USS ESSEX 1/700 Hasegawa 1945, USS ESSEX 1/700 Dragon 1944, USS ESSEX 1/700 Trumpeter 1945, USS ESSEX 1/540 Revell (vintage) 1962, USS ESSEX 1/350 Trumpeter 1942, USS ESSEX LHD-2 as commissioned, converted from USS Wasp kit Gallery Models. Plus 35 other plastic and wood ship kits.

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Posted by philo426 on Wednesday, March 25, 2015 8:05 PM

Looks great!

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Posted by ejhammer on Wednesday, March 25, 2015 8:01 PM

Posted some stuff in the "Lindberg Jolly Roger float test" thread but didn't want to hijack that thread.

I'll post more stuff from the start of the build later. I got this kit from someone else, and it has a bit of history with it.

EJ

Completed - 1/525 Round Two Lindberg repop of T2A tanker done as USS MATTAPONI, USS ESSEX 1/700 Hasegawa Dec 1942, USS Yorktown 1/700 Trumpeter 1943. In The Yards - USS ESSEX 1/700 Hasegawa 1945, USS ESSEX 1/700 Dragon 1944, USS ESSEX 1/700 Trumpeter 1945, USS ESSEX 1/540 Revell (vintage) 1962, USS ESSEX 1/350 Trumpeter 1942, USS ESSEX LHD-2 as commissioned, converted from USS Wasp kit Gallery Models. Plus 35 other plastic and wood ship kits.

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Little wood Flattie build
Posted by ejhammer on Wednesday, March 25, 2015 7:52 PM

Little wood Flattie update Got a bit more done this week. Before I started on it, I had been asked if it would float, so, I put it in the kitchen sink to see. There's no top hamper yet, so it could be top heavy then, but for now, it floats beautifully. Got a few more bits installed - the rub rails along the sides, the coaming trim on the well, companionway door and hatch, mop board around the base of the cabin and The bench is getting messier as I near completion. Next, the stand, centerboard and rudder. Instructions say to glue the rudder in place, but I'm gonna make straps and pintles so it actually works. then the metal trimwork and the mast and rigging. EJ

Completed - 1/525 Round Two Lindberg repop of T2A tanker done as USS MATTAPONI, USS ESSEX 1/700 Hasegawa Dec 1942, USS Yorktown 1/700 Trumpeter 1943. In The Yards - USS ESSEX 1/700 Hasegawa 1945, USS ESSEX 1/700 Dragon 1944, USS ESSEX 1/700 Trumpeter 1945, USS ESSEX 1/540 Revell (vintage) 1962, USS ESSEX 1/350 Trumpeter 1942, USS ESSEX LHD-2 as commissioned, converted from USS Wasp kit Gallery Models. Plus 35 other plastic and wood ship kits.

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