Missing era?

Don,

Combrig has quite an extensive range of resin ships from the later part of this era.  Flagship models offers a range of American Civil War ships.  Also, there are paper card models of some of these ships.  I do not know of any polystyrene kits.

Bill

Don;

 I seem to remember one or two larger ships that were steam/sail .The two were both paddle-wheel equipped .I think one was the KEARSARGE ! T.B.

Gentlemen,

Revell had the USS Kearsarge and CSS Alabama (sort of), Imai had the USS Susquehannah, and Heller had Le Napoleon.  Airfix had a kit of the Discovery.  I can think of no others.

Bill

http://cs.finescale.com/fsm/modeling_subjects/f/7/t/149077.aspx

The Heller Pourquoi Pas? fits in well. Like Scott's Discovery, it's a little later than your stated eras.

Bill;

 Thank you for that reminder . I had forgotten about the Susquehannah . I did that one back in the Seventies for a client . It was , however, with it's faults a very nice kit . Plus the deck material , plastic ? took a teak stain very nicely .

       If my memory serves it was a pretty straightforward build with few problems . The yards and masts I replaced with Basswood dowels turned with my home-made dremel lathe ..Bluejacket Shipcrafters then supplied me with very good blocks and deadeyes .

 The deck-eyes had to be made out of fine wire according to the instructions . Worked well too !      T.B.

You also have the chinese battleship

Chen Yuen

http://www.militarymodelling.com/news/article/a-1-350-'chen-yuen'-imperial-chinese-ironclad-battleship/6370

cruiser Chih Yuen

http://freetimehobbies.com/1-350-bronco-imperial-chinese-peiyang-fleet-protected-cruiser-chih-yuen/

which also comes in 1/144 scale

http://www.militarymodelling.com/news/article/the-imperial-chinese-navy-protected-cruiser-in-1-144/22747

Aurora Hartford

http://www.oldmodelkits.com/index.php?detail=2648&page=1

And Revell U.S.S Olympia and S.M.S Emden/Dresden and Glencoe U.S.S. Oregon

1/350 Zvezda Borodino class, Trumpeter Tsesarevich and Hasegawa I.J.N Mikasa

 wooden kits Billings HMS Warrior and steam frigate Jylland

Well, here are some kits of ships from that range that I've developed for BlueJacket over the last ten years or so:

OLYMPIA

ALABAMA

KEARSARGE

MAINE

Al Ross

cerberusjf

You also have the chinese battleship

Chen Yuen

It comes two ways. One is the as-delivered from Stettin in Germany. Rigged as a brig I think the overseas delivery was more efficient that way. Victorian three color scheme.

And pretty much overall black as she was when sunk in battle in 1895.

I have built the Olympia and Maine.  I have a Kearsarge kit in my stash.  I really want one of the British ones, though.  I think the rest of the world learned a lot by looking at what the Royal Navy attempted and avoided many of the British problems.  Want something like an Admiral class battleship- a mix of broadside and turret guns, and although a steamer they still had lot of spars sticking up all over.  Or, one with barbette guns (nice to see a whole gun without breech lost in a turret).

Al;

   Your Alabama and Olympia make me drool . Dad gum it man ! , How about this ,Talk with you Bosses and see about this line of vessels -In the workboat class - Oil Spill response vessels like Clean Bay one and two .

   I'll even help you with the conversion of L.C.M.6 units for the Sponge and Squeegee, the two boats that were mine . Clean Bay one and two were converted from offshore oil rig , anchor handling vessels .

I had forgotten about the Chen Yuen!  We can't forget about the Glencoe USS Oregon, either.

Bill

Unfortunately, three decades passed between the Monitor and the Oregon.  The US did little to innovate ship design during those decades, though it did work on gun development like other countries did.  The reason I want British ships from those in-between years is those guys at least tried to bring the naval future into being.

Most of the British ships of that era were not very beautiful (maybe that is why no one wants to build them), but they sure were innovative (innovation by itself though does not bring success).

Don,

Have you checked Combrig's offerings of pre-Dreadnought ships?

Bill

warshipguy

Don,

Have you checked Combrig's offerings of pre-Dreadnought ships?

Bill

 

No, never heard of them.  Combrigs.com?

They make resin kits, and can be found here:-

http://combrig-models.com/

They do mostly 1/700 waterline, here are their RN offerings

http://combrig-models.com/index.php/products/1700/royal-navy-1860-1918

but do have some 1/350 RN predreadnoughts, waterline and full hull,

http://combrig-models.com/index.php/products/1350/royal-navy-350

As a guess, that trasnistional period was just a bit too short in history--as in not quite long enough to have a major war with the ironclad broadsiders. 

Add to that, they are less glamorous than a "pure" sailing vessel, or than the all steall steam warships (an important consideration back in the "box scale" days).

But, unlike 30 years ago, things are improving.  We can't quite replicate Dewey's fleet at Manilla, but we can build the original Iowa, Texas, and even the Maine.

Oh, and as a barometer of whether or not we are in a "golden age" would be when we could decide to replicate  both the Japanese & Russian fleets in 1905 or both sides at Manilla Bay.

I'd argue that the situation is the best it's ever been - by far. There actually are quite a few Russian pre-Dreadnought kits, courtesy of Trumpeter and Svezda. Hasegawa makes a fine 1/350 Mikasa - and has announced one on 1/700. And Hobby Boss just released a 1/350 French pre-Dreadnought, the Danton. Ten years ago could anybody have imagined that such kits would be available?

Another one nobody's mentioned yet: the good old Pyro/Lindberg/Round 2 Harriet Lane.

I do hope the mainstream companies get around to the British pre-Dreadnoughts. My first choice would be HMS Victoria. Two stacks side-by-side and a single enormous turret forward. She came to a remarkable end when, in broad daylight A a calm sea, HMS Camperdown accidentally rammed her and sent her to the bottom with heavy loss of life. But any British warship from that period will be fine with me.

This is a great time to be a warship modeler. 

Don,

Combrig is available from most online hobby stores and are quite affordable, at least their 1/700 kits are so.  I love those kits, except for the fact that they are waterline only.

Bill

cerberusjf

They make resin kits, and can be found here:-

http://combrig-models.com/

They do mostly 1/700 waterline, here are their RN offerings

http://combrig-models.com/index.php/products/1700/royal-navy-1860-1918

but do have some 1/350 RN predreadnoughts, waterline and full hull,

http://combrig-models.com/index.php/products/1350/royal-navy-350

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yes! those are the ships I was talking about.  I could not find a page with a price list on it.  How do I figure prices?

Here are their list of suppliers:-

http://combrig-models.com/index.php/dealers

Freetime hobbies may be a good start for USA?

http://freetimehobbies.com/ship-store?sort=newest#

Don,

I get them through Free Time Hobbies.  Combrig also has a link in the www.modelwarships.com  and www.steelnavy.com sites.  Their prices are very reasonable.

Bill

I was looking for drawings, with the idea of scratching something, and did an extensive search via Google.  Not nearly as many plans available as I remember from past years.  Seems to me the Taubman list is a lot smaller than it used to be.  I guess Dromedary is gone.  Neat addition is that there are several sites for free drawings, but they feature only the standards that are so popular that there are lots of kits of those subjects too.

I have a Profile Publication of a WW1 German torpedo boat (actually a destroyer, but the Germans were late in using the term) that I have decided on as next scratch project.  Would have liked something older, but it is getting hard to find plans, even, for that "missing era."

Don, have you checked out Brian King's books?  He has some marvelous stuff on Victorian warships.  The Transactions of the Society of Naval Architects and Marine Engineers (SNAME), in one of its first few volumes, is filled with plans for many of the pre-1900 USN vessels.  Vol 1 is 1898 and  think the one with the plans is around 1902 or so.  Most large libraries would have these.

David Lyon has also done some nice work on RN ships of this era, THE FIRST DESTROYERS being one.

Al Ross

alross2

Don, have you checked out Brian King's books?  He has some marvelous stuff on Victorian warships.  The Transactions of the Society of Naval Architects and Marine Engineers (SNAME), in one of its first few volumes, is filled with plans for many of the pre-1900 USN vessels.  Vol 1 is 1898 and  think the one with the plans is around 1902 or so.  Most large libraries would have these.

David Lyon has also done some nice work on RN ships of this era, THE FIRST DESTROYERS being one.

Al Ross

 

 

Is the actual name of the book Transactions of the Society of Naval Architects and Marine Engineers, volume 1 ?  None of the libraries in this area seem to have it.

In the meantime I am starting a WW1 German torpedo boat.  Got a Profile Publication for that project.

Yes  http://www.sname.org/pubs/journals1 

Anyone who would like to read a fictional story of the British navy during this period would do well to read Richard Hough's two novels, Buller's Guns, and Buller's Dreadnought.  Famous events depicted in the novels include the sinking of the HMS Victoria, and the Battle of Tsushima.  The last book ends with Jutland.

Hi,

although it's mostly sailing ships, there are a couple of plans from the missing era in this link.. not sure how useful they'd be though

http://www.finemodelships.com/ship-plans/plans-Atlas-du-Genie-Maritime.htm

If Russain ships are of any interest, there are some free plans of Tsesarevich and Navarin available to download from a russian site

http://www.navarin.ru/page_info.php/pages_id/1

and there are paper models that could be used, such as

http://www.gremirmodels.com/ships.htm

For those interested in Tsushima, I'd recommend "Witnesses of Tsushima" by Westwood as it gives an account of the battle from several eyewitnesses' perspectives.  It's one of those books that seems to have shot up in price for some reason, a pity..

cerberusjf

Hi,

although it's mostly sailing ships, there are a couple of plans from the missing era in this link.. not sure how useful they'd be though

http://www.finemodelships.com/ship-plans/plans-Atlas-du-Genie-Maritime.htm

 

If Russain ships are of any interest, there are some free plans of Tsesarevich and Navarin available to download from a russian site

http://www.navarin.ru/page_info.php/pages_id/1

and there are paper models that could be used, such as

http://www.gremirmodels.com/ships.htm

For those interested in Tsushima, I'd recommend "Witnesses of Tsushima" by Westwood as it gives an account of the battle from several eyewitnesses' perspectives.  It's one of those books that seems to have shot up in price for some reason, a pity..

 

 

Thanks, that looks like a great resource.  I have built several Superbes, and the Heller Soleil Royal sits on my incomplete project shelf, so I am certainly not adverse to building French ships. It was the Gloire that got the British going on the thrust I had been reading about.

Don,

I strongly recommend that you check out the website www.papermodelers.com. You would be amazed at what could be accomplished using this medium.  There are many outstanding models there, including ships of the period you want.

Bill