Looking for a purse seiner model

Hi Bill ;

 She looks a lot like a LINDBERG " Shrimper" that's been modified .

How long is the Lindy Shrimper?

Isn't it around 14" or so?

That would be a trim 56' at 1/48

Tanker - Builder

Hi Bill ;

 She looks a lot like a LINDBERG " Shrimper" that's been modified .

 

    Bill,

     TankerBuilder has a good eye. The Shrimp boat does look quite a bit like your picture. The kits Bow is a bit "sharper" though. If the hull seems okay you might have something to work with. However, the Lindberg Shrimp boat measures 12.3".  At the stated scale of 1/60 she is a 61'6" footer OA.  But, since you want a larger scale of 1/48 to represent a 75’ 1930’s-40’s  net fishing boat, (with a Crows nest?), I can’t think of any curent plastic Hulls of 18 ¾” length that look like your prototype. The Lindberg 1/60 Tuna Clipper is only 14” long.

  TB, I believe you built the Revell Firefighter boat (prototype launched in1939?).  Do you think that hull might work? This is one kit I never looked into but I recall reading that the hull was 19” long.  If not too wide in the beam maybe it could work- If a kit can be found.

     Jim

Ah;

 Ya got me ! I thought everyone forgot about that one . She would work , But , I think she might be a little wide . I don't have her near me but I think she is about a foot or so long with a four or five inch beam .

   Also you'd have to add some heighth to her freeboard . She sits quite low . I have another that's a work in progress , somewhere . Turning it into a salvage vessel in Clive Cussler's " NUMA " Colors . Light Turquoise and White . 

The Firefighter looks good. At 19" length, that about a perfect 1/4" = 1'-0" for a 76 footer.

Bill & Tanker-Builder,

  I think the beam is okay.  Basic lines of Hull looks  close to that Seiner ( net hauling) Fishing boat although the sheer is wrong and new superstructure needed but maybe hull only needs things "removed"?

Here is a Pic of the Firefighter Boat. There are others but this one is from a .org site so I figured I could use it and give proper credit. The Internet has much better pictures if you search.

1/87ish kit. The prototype was built in 1938.

   Nino

Later edit:  Bill, I'll keep an Eye-Out for a kit- hopefully below a Hundred & four bucks.

I think this kits rarer than a Nichimo Graf Spee.  Maybe it's letter-writting time to Revell.

Hull on E***:

Forgot to mention the Forest Gump Shrimp boat. It's a wood kit. Looks poor ( read: "goofy") to me. Maybe the hull could work though.  I could not find a hull lenght listed.

Assuming that the Revell Fire Fighter is a scale model of the real thing, and I trust Revell usually, even thought they have a tendency to state an incorrect scale on the box; here's a set of comparative measurements.

Fire Fighter:

Length OA - 134 feet.

Beam - 32 feet.

That backs into model dimensions as follows, at 1/87 scale.

Length OA - 18.5 inches.

Beam - 4.4 inches

Western Flyer:

Length OA - 76 feet.

Beam - 20 feet.

That backs into model dimensions as follows, at 1/48 scale.

Length OA - 19 inches.

Beam - 5 inches.

Not bad!

All of a sudden this project isn't looking easy any more.

GMorrison

All of a sudden this project isn't looking easy any more.

 

A waterline version would ease the project a lot.  Building up the bulwark in the bow should not be terribly hard.

Bill;

  That's why I didn't mention her to start with . She's a little low in freeboard for that conversion . I think you'd be best contacting Blue-Jacket Shipcrafters  . They might have one in their line . T.B.

I would like a full hull. I played around with the calculator a little. If I drop to 1/60 scale, and cut 3" out of the length, the draft looks a lot better. Adding a keel helps that too. Building up the bulwark mostly in the peak looks doable. 

I have a kit on the way. When I get it I'll mock it up and see.

Bill

Hi,

I realize that this is probably of no use to you what so ever, but while browsing the internet today although I didn't find a tuna purse seiner, I did stumble across a "tuna purse". 

     Well, at least the "Hull shape" has sheer albeit the wrong direction and it comes with Masking tape, Hull-red marker and some clips.  Looks like therer's an "Instruction booklet" too.

How much PFJN, if Ya don't mind me asking.....?

     Nino

Hi,

I never even checked.  Looking at it now though, it looks like its $59 

Hey Bill ! 

 Have you even considered the Tuna Clipper ? It might work . T.B.

I did tanko, but it's got a pretty rakish stem. I really think the Fire fighter is going to work at 1/60. Of course I'm gonna have a big pile of fire boat stuff in HO...

PFJN

Hi,

I never even checked.  Looking at it now though, it looks like its $59 

 

A "Hull" of a price...

Bill ;

    I thought about something . Model car folks do this trick . You can cut the Fireboat from the stern . Open the hull to the stern shape you need .Then create plastic wedges to fill out the hull .What you are doing is just the reverse of what the model car builder does to create a lower profile for the Car , Trunk , Hood etc .

 I do know this will work as I have done it with the  Fireboat hull to create a smooth profile for a Naval Salvage ship for a client . It can be tricky , but that's one way to go . T.B. 

Bill;

 Looking at this , what I suggested will work . Just cut the hull at the top of the skeg and go all the way to the bow . Then you have a top and bottom . Now create the wedge shapes to match your red drawing and glue all together . Add support strips to the inside and recreate the skeg and you're good to go . T.B.

A face only a mother could love.

GMorrison

A face only a mother could love.

 

    GM,

          You know, if you weather it like that you leave yourself open to be called Barnacle Bill.

Thanks for hanging tough. I expect typing these posts is good Therapy.

Keep it up!.

      Jim.

Oh Heavens !

How long did she spend on the Bottom ?

I'm getting ahead of myself, but I needed to get this "out of my system".

Mask for surgery.

Mark the cuts.

Surgery.

End result.

I know I'm running a llittle long but that beats coming up short.

The thinking behind the staggered cut is that the broadest point at the rail was a little back from the point in the hull where the join would match at all. It makes the join a little stronger too.

Tanker - Builder

Oh Heavens !

How long did she spend on the Bottom ?

 

Tanker - Builder

How long did she spend on the Bottom ?

Actually the question probably is:  "How long did she spend grounded above the highwater line?"  That's a alot of rust and corrosion.

She's a woodie so it's a lot of something...

I think somebody paid $ 2M for her in that condition. But she is a little bit of history. As you probably know, John Steinbeck and Ed Ricketts chartered her in March 1940 out of Monterey, for a six week expedition to Baja California and "The Sea of Cortez".

In addition to her little ten foot net setting skiff, they towed a twenty foot skiff that they putted around in collecting sea creatures. Now I just need to find a 1/60 1939 Johnson Sea Horse...

Bill;

 That is an interesting Tidbit . I have seen worse . I brought up a 65 foot Owens from 120 feet of water north of the Farallons . She had no color left or cabin top for that matter .

It's Alive!!

Frankenship went together pretty well. There's work to do realigning the wales, putty, sanding off all of the steel plate detail (thankfully old school raised), and building the keel, rudder post, rudder and screw fairing. I also had to take off all of the detail inside the bulwarks. But all in all, I'm pretty happy with the results.

Next, modify the bulwarks at the bow, and install a sub deck, with camber. 

GM,

      You sound energized!  Sawing, Scraping, and  sanding agree with you. It looks really Good.  I can’t wait for more.  Henceforth I will be glued to this Thread.  I've been attempting similar surgery on a smaller kit so watching this has me enthused.

     So what is the "K49" in the background?  A bit of repair/refurbishment? The Hull number K49 seems to indicate a Flower Class ship but the profile looks different then pictures I looked up.  Perchance are you considering a conversion of this hull too?  Maybe a Tug?

    Nino