trumpeter 1/200 missouri and full pontos .

Nice work, Steve!

Those devices on the deck are temporary structures used to check a ship's balance and stability.  Various weights are placed on them and moved about as part of the checks.   If you look closely at their ends, you'll see weight stacks on carriages on the tracks.  These checks were performed at various times and the equipment used to perform the checks is often seen in shipyard photos taken upon the completion of modifications (especially if the ship's topside got heavier as a result of those modifications).

Kudos to HooYah and CapnMac82 for posting good photos.

Very much enjoying your work!

thanks guys for the photos , really interesting stuff . but I don't know if it is spuring me on or detering me , gee there's a lot of stuff there . 

hooyah , is that photo from 1945 , the reason I ask , is those two extra plane launches , going coast to coast on the deck , I haven't seen them before !!

cheers steve , I think I'm finally done with all the hassels .

also got the paravanes together

CapnMac82

More excellent detail work.

Looking good Steve. You are moving along very nicely.

If I may, maybe this will help.

More excellent detail work.

There was a photo, Iowa IIRC, where they had painted the top of the crane controls in Deck Blue--something not seen in photos of any other Iowa-class.

Which is probably like how the decks in the Mk 51 Director  platforms, ought, by regulation, be Deck Blue, but photos are few and far between.

Sigh, once again, those meanies in the past were more focused on the big, mighty warship, than on the minute details we modelers would obcess over 75 years' later.

Stern of Missourin is pretty busy with stuff, so the details are likely going to just blend in:

sorry i haven't posted in a while guys , but I've finally gotten back on to the build .

here is pontos crane controls before and after paint . and in position .

I think I have most of the main deck , bits and pieces done . you should be able to see the two blues now capn .

steve5

I actually have done that capn , I used MMs dark sea blue on the forward steel decking and MM's sea blue with a few drops of black in it for the wood decking , to try and match the photos sent to me .

Cool.  That means any deficinecies are in my monitor and how Kalmbach is dispaying your photos.  Which is something I normally try to remember an take into account.  SMH.

I actually have done that capn , I used MMs dark sea blue on the forward steel decking and MM's sea blue with a few drops of black in it for the wood decking , to try and match the photos sent to me .

It's probably too late in your process, but, ther ecan be an advantage in having two deck blue colors, one for the wood deck, and the other for steel decks.

The USN formulas were meant to be similar and near identical; but, the materials were dissimilar and showed it.  And, we are modeling here, so a touch of contrast in the materials can help show off our efforts on those diffferent materials.

My dad did a midshipman cruise on Missouri in 1953, he had remarked that the linoeulm in the signalman area (where the flagbags and signal lights are) was a neep, dark brown ("Hershey's" was the word he used) which was near as dark as the deck gray on the nearby metal decks.

And all the WWII combatants has some form of brown linoleum, iJN with their very chestnut red; USN with a russet leather; the odd brown of RN Cortecine.

Just something to think about.

I just realised , I haven't been taking any pic's . doesn't look like much , but believe me it's a fair bit of work .

think I might have to invest in a new camera .

you know what , I think you're right bill . less aggravation too . when it's finished you probably wouldn't even notice it .

On a tangent  .  .  .  Thanks Bill; I was debating on using an aftermarket wood deck on my Alaska build, but this comment of your's clears it up. I agree 100%.

your ship is coming along there nicely. I have no love for wood deck add ons.

My attitude is that if the scale is large enough, lay them with strip wood. If the scale is too small paint the plastic.

When using a wood deck part, other than having to account for shear and since plastic model ship kits live in a world where camber doesn't exist- the deck should be made to fit as well as without needing glue. 

Any built in "hold-it-down" will eventually fail on you.

Bill

Bakster

Gremlins have no mercy.

In league with Murphy, they are.

Was going to share some photos of the decks of USS Texas, and how her eblue deck wears.  But, I can't find them any more, and Kalmbach is not letting me link any out of facebook [grumpyface]

And, of course, Texas is not an idea example.  Her wood decks are made up of 4x4, unlike the Iowas with 2" scantling decks.  Texas also has to use an opaque stain as the original 20D stain is not available (and as a museum, costs and wear are considerateions).  Texas uses tTexas-grown cedar for her decks, too.  And the oil content makes for lighter & darker "planks"--which is a striking effect, IRL.

A mix of black and white panel wash could get the right effect, with maybe a wood stain over, a la Bakster's technique, could be a winner.

Hey Steve, sorry to hear about the deck. Gremlins have no mercy. Keep on with it. Aside from the problem, looking good.

well I painted the deck , came out nice . the next day bubbles everywhere , at least 50% unstuck ,tried to reglue it , made a hash of it , took it all off and just painted the plastic deck . lesson learned don't trust the glue , wood glue it down .

You are on the right track and concur with CapnMac82.

Blue deck color as it appeared freshly painted during the surrender ceremony:

http://www.navsource.org/archives/01/016313u.jpg

http://www.navsource.org/archives/01/016346c.jpg

Paint from wooden decks either having been removed (holystoned?), or allowed to wear away (note blue residue, especially in the lower left of the photo).  20B Deck Blue paint remains on steel strutures with some visible wear.  Photo during the voyage to New York via the Panama Canal, October 1945.

http://www.navsource.org/archives/01/016326c.jpg

But it's your model.  Paint it whatever color(s) gives you the most satisfaction.

steve5

what do you blokes think ?

Your model:  Your choice.

Iowas wore blue decks until ±1946, exact times and reports vary.  The wooden decks used a penetrating stain, so it was not a case of being able to scrape paint away. 

There are conflicting contemporary reports that the Magic Carpet ships all had bright decks "holy stoned" by scrums of sailors--these reprots are typically from Army personnel being transported home, so it's all based on recollection.

Now, for the Deck Blue paint, all things are subjective.  The paint chips scan a blue-black that's more "charcoal" than the similar aircraft paint.  That's to my eye; others will differ.

My personal preference is to get a nice color photo of the Pacific, as top-down as possible, and match that.  That's a subjective read of mine from looking at contemporary color photos.  The deck paint and the Pacific ocean colors are a near match.  Which is where the "black hole" Measure 21 paint scheme was born.

For my 2¢ a lot of modelers overlook the Magic Carpet time frame for capital ships.  You get to use the 1945 fit of the ship, it's near always Measure 22, so not a blue-on-blue-on-blue blackhole.  Also a clean look.  And, the ships' names were painted in white 72" letters amidships just under the main deck line so as to help ferry loads of returning service men.

Modeling downsides:  All a/c were put ashore, and really, all the AA guns were in canvas covers (ok, that might be easier than building fiddliy AA guns)

I have a bit of a dillemma guy's , whether to leave the deck a wood colour or leave it off and just paint the deck dk. blue .

 I really don't trust the glue on the wood decking , and by painting or staining it , I feel the glue might let go , what do you blokes think ?

thanks TB . will look out for it .

I have given it another coat , which has darkened it a bit more . plus I have glued the nose cone on .

Hi;

 On my Navy projects I use a product called " Cadet Blue" Touched with a wee bit of black. That's closest to the deck color I remember from the early to late 60s-70s!

took abetter photo without the glare .

tried the sea blue , it's not very well done , but interested what you guy's think of the colour .

sorry I haven't posted in a while , still trying to get back into it . 

well I finally got the deck plate down and holding , painted it , and found out how many times I glued my fingers to the deck , so some sanding was required .

I used MM dark blue , but I think it is too blue , am going to try dark sea blue next , wanted weather deck blue , but none in australia , apparently MM have stopped shipping to aust dealers , pity .

steve5

I was always under the impression , that the 20mm guns were damaged in a cyclone on the way over to japan and removed .

I want to remember that was an incident during Korea--50-53.

Which would explain the photo above of Missouri nested to New Jersey off a single mooring buoy, where BB-62 has no bow 20mm mount, and BB-61 retains hers.  The photo is previous to 4JUL59 for still having 48-star Jacks.

thankyou for that capn , good thing I'm not a rivet counter ,  , 

I was always under the impression , that the 20mm guns were damaged in a cyclone on the way over to japan and removed . 

thanks steve for the photos mate . you can see those guns in the two photo's .

Here are a couple of photos that may be some help.

Missouri at Ulithi taken between 9 and 18 May 1945:

http://www.navsource.org/archives/01/016347c.jpg

Missouri in Tokyo Bay:

http://www.navsource.org/archives/01/016309c.jpg

steve5

from 45 ?

No, an 80s era addition for the Integrated Naval Fleet Network commo system.

There are not a lot of photos of how/if there were 20mm in Missouri's bow during WWII.

The shape of that splinter shield gets a lot of rivet-counter flame wars online.

thanks capn , was that antenna in the second pic from 45 ?

Found an image of the forececk for you

And another (these are all as she is in Pearl)

That "skid plate" under the chains is a black rubbery substance that's a different material than the original WWII anti-skid.

And a Wartime photo:

Note the wire rope off the anchor fluke for attaching an Anchor Bouy to (and the slack paravane chain).

Some more bow details:

A bit more:

And the skid plating highlighted

And, how do you paint anchors?

Hope that helps.