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A pleasant surprise. The Bluenose II.

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fox
  • Member since
    January 2007
  • From: Narvon, Pa.
Posted by fox on Tuesday, February 6, 2024 8:05 PM

CapnMac, I have been following your suggestion on planking the Bluenose. I started at the garboard and worked up to the bulwarks. It has made the planking a lot easier. I've been very slow doing the planking as life got in the way and really slowed my modeling time down to a crawl. The first planking is done and I will have photos up soon.

Bugatti Fan, thanks for all that info. It's much appreciated. I'm building up quite a folder of info on this build. 

Stay safe.

Jim Captain

 Main WIP: 

   On the Bench: Artesania Latina  (aka) Artists in the Latrine 1/75 Bluenose II

I keep hitting "escape", but I'm still here.

  • Member since
    January 2011
Posted by Bugatti Fan on Tuesday, February 6, 2024 10:13 AM

Model Shipways instructions for their Bluenose kit can be downloaded and I think that you will find their rigging instructions very helpful.

There is a book by author Lennart Petersen about fore and aft rigging.

Also there is a book from the Bluenose 2 Trust named 'Bluenose 2, Saga of the Great Fishing Schooners' that will give you all the rigging details you will need.

And not forgetting Howard Chappelle's very comprehensive book about the North Atlantic Schooners.

Hope these suggestions help.

fox
  • Member since
    January 2007
  • From: Narvon, Pa.
Posted by fox on Wednesday, December 6, 2023 9:11 PM

Capn, the plans call for the bulwarks to be put on first, then the planking started from below them down to the keel. While getting the bulkheads sanded and using one of the planks to check the fit of the planks as I went, it just seemed to me that working from the keel would definitely be easier just as you suggested. Now that I think about it, I did my Scottish Maid their way, from the top down to the keel and I remember having a lot of trouble at that point.

I've started attaching the new bulwarks and managed to get them to fit. When finished, I think I'll follow your advice and start planking at the keel. Thanks Capn, I apreciate the advice.

Stay safe.

Jim Captain 

 Main WIP: 

   On the Bench: Artesania Latina  (aka) Artists in the Latrine 1/75 Bluenose II

I keep hitting "escape", but I'm still here.

  • Member since
    November 2005
  • From: Formerly Bryan, now Arlington, Texas
Posted by CapnMac82 on Monday, December 4, 2023 11:38 AM

fox
Ah.......there's the other ship again. Well, if I can't make them fit right, I'll just have to make new ones. Luckily I have a large box full of assorted wood scraps from all the kits I've built in the past so I shouild be able to replace the bulwarks.

It's easy--all too easy--to bash AL kits.  I've done plenty, and with good reason from my point of view.

I find that they make decent "jumping off" points.  The planking?  Yeah, "spares box" along with about half the deck furnishings.  The metal fittings are not horrible.  Cordage and blocks--iffy, but, with much sanding and beeswax, acceptable.

For the planking, I'm more likely to go get batches of bass strip wood and just shape them to fit.  Some of that is kit experience, and an equal amount from 1:1 planking experinece.  So, you taper the ends, and back out the planks (at least as much as a 1/72 or 1/64 model will allow).

And, like 1:1 practice, I'll start from the garboad (next to keel) plank and work up to the wales.

But, we each find a way to get what we want out of the process.

  • Member since
    March 2005
  • From: West Virginia, USA
Posted by mfsob on Monday, December 4, 2023 7:30 AM

I remember building the plastic Bluenose kit with my Dad when I was a kid, and thinking with the black sewing thread rigging and vacuum-formed sails, it looked pretty darn good! Even unpainted, the dark green and tan plastics made it look like an actual sailing ship. And I even managed to not get too many gluey fingerprints on the hull.

fox
  • Member since
    January 2007
  • From: Narvon, Pa.
Posted by fox on Wednesday, November 29, 2023 8:07 PM

Thought it was about time for an update. 

Well, true to tales of "Artists in the Latrine" kits, I started out seeing a beautiful kit. The instructions seemed great. The wood was beautiful. Parts were laser cut and just popped out easily. Bulkheads slid into place easily and fit was spot on. Deck went together easily and fit was again spot on. Then the storm with the lightning hit. Storm Lightning

Started sanding the bulkheads in preparation for the 1st layer of planking. Had to work slowly due to hand pain so I sanded a little and took breaks working on the deck pieces. It seems that the bulkheads were not solid pieces but plywood and they were splitting as I sanded. That ticked me off as I had to stop sanding, glue them back together and let them sit while the glue set. 

While the glue set, I worked on deck fittings. As i studied the instructions, something didn't look right. Measurements didn't match and placement where they would go on the deck didn't seem to match up. Found the problem. The instructions were not made from 1 boat. They were made from 2 different ships. The bulwarks on 1 ship were Ivory white and the Bulwarks on the other were stained and clear coated so that looking at a small section of the deck to see where a fitting was to be placed, the fitting looked different from one pic to the next. The more I looked, the more I found to prove there were 2 different ships used for the instructions.

After finishing the sanding of the bulkheads, the next step is to install the bulwarks. Well, that's where I'm at now. The notches on the bulwarks for placement do not match up with the step on the deck and the bulkheads they are supposed to line up with. Ah.......there's the other ship again. Well, if I can't make them fit right, I'll just have to make new ones. Luckily I have a large box full of assorted wood scraps from all the kits I've built in the past so I shouild be able to replace the bulwarks. 

I was thinking (can you smell the wood burning?) the other day that I was going to post something about how great the kit is and that we would have to change our opinion of AL kits. Well, guess I'll go wash out my mouth with soap for that. 

Going up to the loft to get some work done tonight. Will try to get some pics up soon. 

Stay safe.

Jim Captain

 

 Main WIP: 

   On the Bench: Artesania Latina  (aka) Artists in the Latrine 1/75 Bluenose II

I keep hitting "escape", but I'm still here.

  • Member since
    October 2019
  • From: New Braunfels, Texas
Posted by Tanker-Builder on Monday, November 20, 2023 11:46 AM

Hey JIM!

       That photo really brought back some memories.Ships like her, were for a while considered the "Most Beautiful " tank ships in existence. I have a photo of the original ship they used for the "Texaco Tanker" Toy/Model.

       In my time in service I belive I saw at least four different types in Refueling at sea situations.The most common for a while was a Grey version of the Texaco which I believe was a T3 version. I could be mistaken.       

        i do remember one that was strange In all regards. She was a true Deckhouse aft type, BUT, she sat so low in the water the crew were using Lifelines to move around the deck.When we came along side. The bow wave we made, washed over their deck! When we finished our topping off, She didn't even look like we had gotten anything.

        The oddball part? When we made to move away our overflows spilled oil everywhere including into the sea! The ship it seems had pressurized our bunkers for some reason! We ran at high speed away fron the fleet for twelve hours, coming back only when the pressure had been bled off.

fox
  • Member since
    January 2007
  • From: Narvon, Pa.
Posted by fox on Sunday, November 19, 2023 3:13 PM

Thanks for the info CapnMac. I made a copy of your post and I'm going to keep it with the Instruction book for future reference. It will come in handy when I'm working on the sails and deciding what I'm going to do with them. It's great having different options available.

Stay safe.

Jim Captain

 Main WIP: 

   On the Bench: Artesania Latina  (aka) Artists in the Latrine 1/75 Bluenose II

I keep hitting "escape", but I'm still here.

  • Member since
    November 2005
  • From: Formerly Bryan, now Arlington, Texas
Posted by CapnMac82 on Sunday, November 19, 2023 2:09 PM

fox
CapnMac will probably know if that is correct.

I'm no expert on Bluenose.  I do know that there's controversy about her rig and appearance.

Some of that will be that is was common to change the rig over the life of a ship.

Many of the depictions of Bluenose include a "Fisherman's Staysail" (occasionally called a 'spanker' too) spanning from the foremast to the main topmast, so that the broadside sial plane resembles a near-continuous triangle of sail.  From memory, that's the image on the Canadian coin.

Now, she probably sailed with topsails only when needed.

I know there's debate on whether the fore staysail was fit with a boom, the contemporary images differ.  Having sailed with one of those vile devices, they are more work than they are worth, but, on a working vessel, the one or two hands saved were profit made.

fox
  • Member since
    January 2007
  • From: Narvon, Pa.
Posted by fox on Friday, November 17, 2023 7:19 PM

I made a plastic model of the Bluenose a while back (way, way back). I guess it is the original Bluenose. I don't remember the name of the manufacturer. Here's a photo I took last night of it sitting on top of the one I'm working on now. The new one will be roughly about 6 to 7 inches longer.

https://photos.app.goo.gl/mKyDSzt6rw7TnWF28

I also have a print that I've had hanging over my workbench for many years of the Bluenose. I'm guessing that it is of the Original. CapnMac will probably know if that is correct.

https://photos.app.goo.gl/L6WVBSirXtona1Px6

TB, Here's is a photo you might enjoy. It's a print of the oil tanker Atlantic Heritage. It was given to me back somewhere in the '60s while I was down your way attending a fire school. I was in the Fire Brigade at the Phila. Refinery at the time and they sent me down with a couple other members to get some training on fighting oil fires. Don't remember the name of the town but we had to work our butts off at the school and had some great times at night in town.

https://photos.app.goo.gl/mJN5tGNTe8qRBpub7

Stay safe.

Jim Captain

 Main WIP: 

   On the Bench: Artesania Latina  (aka) Artists in the Latrine 1/75 Bluenose II

I keep hitting "escape", but I'm still here.

  • Member since
    November 2005
  • From: Formerly Bryan, now Arlington, Texas
Posted by CapnMac82 on Friday, November 17, 2023 11:08 AM

Tanker-Builder
I didn't know there was even a "Bluenose-2"

If memory serves (and it may not) there's actually a Bluenose III, with Two having been retired after many decades cruising.  I remember some controversy about the rig for III.

  • Member since
    October 2019
  • From: New Braunfels, Texas
Posted by Tanker-Builder on Thursday, November 16, 2023 6:55 AM

Hmmm.

       This is interesting. I didn't know there was even a "Bluenose-2" I guess she was more poppular than I thought. One thing I will say is this. I have always thought that the original was a beautiful ship! Once you get her done you will see what I mean.

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    July 2003
  • From: On my kitchen counter top somewhere in North Carolina.
Posted by disastermaster on Thursday, November 16, 2023 1:41 AM

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This is gonn'a be good.

"I was so much older then, I'm younger than that now"

 

 
fox
  • Member since
    January 2007
  • From: Narvon, Pa.
A pleasant surprise. The Bluenose II.
Posted by fox on Wednesday, November 15, 2023 11:01 PM

A couple of weeks ago, my wifes nephew paid us a visit. After talking with us for a while he said he had something in his car and he'd be right back. He came in carrying a large box that turned out to be the Artesania Latina Bluenose II kit. Someone he knew got it as a gift and didn't want it. He didn't want it either and the nephew said "My uncle Jim builds these." The guy said "OK. Here. Give it to him." Soooo, he did. 

https://photos.app.goo.gl/4NDgGVcrry5LBzcM7

It's a typical AL (Artists in the Latrine) kit but with a few changes. There are no full size plans. There is a large book with instructions for a step at a time and full size (maybe a tad less sometimes) photos of the step. 

https://photos.app.goo.gl/2GyQeaqdfp71WT3V9

When you get finished with the hull, you go to book #2. That is the same type as the other book. Full instructions and full size photos of the step.

https://photos.app.goo.gl/UtwbgMKCqdHvJYQ5A

Well, I was having a ball taking a break from plastic models and building stick-n-tissue kits. But, having this kit dropped in my lap was too great a temptation. So, I cleared the decks and prepared for battle stations.

https://photos.app.goo.gl/YKEADC9tmoD1XDXK8

The keel and bulkheads went together great. Every one of the bulkheads lined up perfectly with no help from me. The 2 deck pieces went on just as easy. Then I started planking the deck. I rubbed the edge of the plank with a charcoal pencil hoping to make it look like the planks were caulked. I did every other one so as not to look too heavily caulked. While they were drying, I started to build the stern cabin. Working on and off between glueing down planks it's done and looks pretty good.

https://photos.app.goo.gl/CfnhCcPGGDFihF6r6

The deck is planked now, and according to the instructions (which I always follow to the letter Wink) it's time to start preparing the bulkheads for planking.

https://photos.app.goo.gl/hLyj5eguePAV4KgY7

Stay safe.

Jim Captain

 Main WIP: 

   On the Bench: Artesania Latina  (aka) Artists in the Latrine 1/75 Bluenose II

I keep hitting "escape", but I'm still here.

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