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Posted by Nino on Wednesday, October 11, 2023 1:18 PM

Earlier DWBLACKWELL wrote:"I just checked out some of the prices for the 1/96 scale Sturgeon class- a bit steep!"

Any 1/96 scale Submarine will be expensive and likely in Resin.

If interested in smaller scale resin kits, like 1/350, try Iron Shipwrights.

They have a several new Sub kits that no one else makes.

(Triton,Seawolf, Bluebell.)

http://ironshipwrights.com/ships_350.html

   If anyone's interested in the Dragon U.S.S. Florida SSGN 728, try HobbyEasy.

(https://www.hobbyeasy.com/en/data/ajmazu7hjlkrvsi7zpyv.html)

  They have it on sale for $40.00 however, shipping at $26.00 to PA makes it comparable to ebay.  Currently there is one on ebay for $69.00 out of South Korea. (I wonder if it is the same hobby shop using ebay???)

 

       Nino.

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Posted by CapnMac82 on Wednesday, August 23, 2023 10:56 AM

This was a decent necrothread to wander through.

As to hull colors, it's your model, so, your choice. 

You are going to have to look at your reference material and make your best guess.

That will also include what shade of red you pick, too.
How colors are rendered in photos, and on video, and over various computer screens will vary, too.

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Posted by GMorrison on Tuesday, August 22, 2023 2:23 PM

Oh a lot of old friends there.

Thanks for forwarding.

 

Bill

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Posted by AV8R1992 on Tuesday, August 22, 2023 1:00 PM

Found this wonderful thread while researching the Ohio SSBN. One of my guys at work has asked me to build a model of the USS Tennessee for his dad who was a crew member. I'm trying to figure out how best to paint her, I saw in her that the antifouling red is painted up halfway the hull, the kit box for cyber hobby USS Maryland and USS Chicago shows the antifouling red up to what looks like 3/4 of the hull and most of the aft dive planes (forgive me if I got the name wrong, I'm a surface sailor). Is this accurate? I can find dry dock photos of the ssbn but nothing of the aft end cause of the secrecy. I'd appreciate the help and glad to bring this thread back to life!

Here's a link to scalemates for the photo I'm asking about: https://www.scalemates.com/kits/cyber-hobby-1047-uss-maryland-ssbn-738-and-uss-chicago-ssn-721--100775

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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, March 12, 2005 7:20 PM
I have been following the string-I see that submariners are a proud and tough group.
I build submarines and other types of ships. I have never found a truely acceptable color for Kraut subs of the WW2 era-I am currently using -believe it or not Southern Pacific Lettering Gray-as it appears to my eyes to be close to Kriegsmarine gray for U-boats.
Any suggestions as to a really accurate gray?
As for Modern U..S. subs, I have been using Stop Light Red on the hulls (please no keel hauling)- I will try the antifouling red noted above (M06) however.
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Posted by John @ WEM on Wednesday, March 9, 2005 11:56 AM
For those wanting an accurate modern USN antifouling red, we've got it matched and available in our Colourcoats enamels; order item M 06. No minimum order, and we ship worldwide.

Cheers,
John Snyder
The Token Yank, USS BAINBRIDGE (DLGN-25), 1966-70, Tonkin Gulf Yacht Club
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http://WhiteEnsignModels.com
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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, March 5, 2005 4:56 PM
Thanks butchy,

I find flat based sprays worth ok with plastic models...
I'd stay away from any gloss finishes if i were you as they tend to
separate on the plastic or adhere poorly.

Tank
QUOTE: Originally posted by butchy

Hi Tankbuster,
I Have used that color and it's good for "New Paint" finishes but I prefer Krylon's Red Primer. You can get this at Wallyworld in a large spray can that would last for several boats. I like the way this paint looks when dry. it has a Subdued weathered look to it..Their Primer Black which is really a very dark gray works good for below boot top black primers which were found on many cold war period boats. Only problem with these is of course to use them in well ventalated locations, they are a little stronger smelling than the Tamiya paints are.
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Posted by DBFSS385 on Saturday, March 5, 2005 1:05 PM
Hi Tankbuster,
I Have used that color and it's good for "New Paint" finishes but I prefer Krylon's Red Primer. You can get this at Wallyworld in a large spray can that would last for several boats. I like the way this paint looks when dry. it has a Subdued weathered look to it..Their Primer Black which is really a very dark gray works good for below boot top black primers which were found on many cold war period boats. Only problem with these is of course to use them in well ventalated locations, they are a little stronger smelling than the Tamiya paints are.
Be Well/DBF Walt
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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, March 5, 2005 10:45 AM
Hey gents,

Was wondering how you felt about tamiya's hull red for the subs underside?

Tankbuster
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Posted by dwblackwell on Thursday, March 3, 2005 9:04 PM
What a nice bunch of posts- I can connect with all of them. Small world with Andy- my dad flew HU-16's and C-131's, but for the Air Force. I built him the Mongram HU and the Testors C-131, and they now inhabit his bookshelf. Captain- hats off to you bird farmers. I have a healthy respect for someone who travels around at test depth all the time. Butchy- make it Laphroig, and then we'll have to find an intact 616 to test your memory. I know I can be ready to snorkel in less than five minutes. Be good and keep it coming. Gotta hit the hay now- must go in and cover the diesel run tonight at the plant. Dave MMC(SS) Retired

D. Blackwell MMC(SS), USN, Retired

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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, March 3, 2005 8:40 AM
We left those fast attack boys alone. "Don't bother me when I'm saving you a.."
was what they would say. Up to snuff, and then some......
Thanks for the links. I'll keep you guys up to date on how my Ohio Class turns out.
Chris
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Posted by subfixer on Thursday, March 3, 2005 8:00 AM
Daggone "coners"!

I'm from the government and I'm here to help.

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Posted by DBFSS385 on Thursday, March 3, 2005 7:17 AM
Captain Steed,
My wife ( of 34 years) and I sleep in a huge Queen Sized bed. She is always amazed that I wake up in the same position that I fell asleep in. I only use about 1/4 of the bed.
I also keep my house in "Rigged for Dive" mode. my friends think I have a phobia for putting stuff back where it came from and color coding almost all my tools, files and home plumbing etc. I just tell them all that yeh I do have a "phobia" it's called "still looking over my Shoulder for the COB" ( Chief of The Boat).
This "Submarine Way" has worked very well for me over the years and it still does..
And I unlike Chief Blackwell was not a Career Submariner. But I'll bet a bottle of single malt that I can still rig Ops Forward for dive on a 616 boat in the dark almost 30 years later. It was fun.
Be Well/DBF Walt
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Posted by subfixer on Thursday, March 3, 2005 5:20 AM
Captain Steed,
I figured out a long time ago how to beat the tunnels. I moved to the western side of the rivers. And about sitting up on a CV bridge, watching the sub hunters? Well, I was always confident that our supposed fast attack boat escort was expected to screen us from the bad guys. Are you saying that they weren't up to snuff?? Nah, I didn't think so. We knew they were there.

I'm from the government and I'm here to help.

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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, March 2, 2005 3:59 PM
Butchy,

Subs and Targets? It's been awhile since I've heard that. Not many fish riders here.
Let me say this. There are few things more scary in this man's Navy than sitting in a flat top, seeing sub hunters fly back and fourth, knowing there is a sub out there somewhere, but you don't know where.........
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Posted by afulcher on Wednesday, March 2, 2005 2:26 PM
While I was in the CG doing patrols on board HU16's & C131's, we would fly by Mayport Fl. It was always a treat to see the subs underway & underwater. They just thought they
were hidden;)

Andy
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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, March 2, 2005 2:23 PM
Chief Blackwell & Butchy,
You subsurface guys never had it so good. Sleeping in a locker, no sun for months on end, 4 people in a 4'x4' room. Come on....
Don't forget the old saying we use here in the DC Yard, "the best marine is a submarine."
Just kidding. My right hand man here is a MasterGuns so I had to mess with him.

Great forum. I have been hoping to build the Ohio class.....if I can ever find the kit that is. Seems to be on backorder everywhere. I was wondering how to proceed with the painting. Wonderful info from you guys.
Take care.
Subfixer,
Hope the yard is treating you well. As always, beat the traffic through the tunnels....

Capt. C. Steed, USN
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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, March 2, 2005 1:46 PM
Here's the official site for the Florida gentlemen...
http://www.florida.navy.mil/

Tank

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Painting an Ohio class sub
Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, March 2, 2005 1:44 PM
David,

Yeah well since our chats, I've begun to do more research and even found the official site for the Florida...I wasn't aware of the scheduled conversions so I'll have to study up...Any additional items you have that you'd like to share would be greatly appreciated...I think i've decided to model the boat as it would have looked with its fresh black and hull red underside...
my email is tankbuster2005@yahoo.com if you'd rather reply that way..

Thanks for everything,
Tankbuster
QUOTE: Originally posted by dwblackwell

Wow, Tankbuster- I am flattered. The 728 is the USS Florida. It is now SSGN728 and is being converted (or it may be done now) into a cruise missile carrier with 128 or so of our finest Tomahawk missiles instead of the " coarse adjust" (meaning large changes in the real estate) Tridents. I was a plankowner on the Florida, which means I was assigned to it during the pain of getting it out of Electric Boat in Groton, Connecticut. We commissioned her in July of 1983. Many 14 hour plus days of power range testing in the propulsion plant getting it ready and ensuring the taxpayers got what they paid for. Truly an awesome platform, and it was fun doing the run down to Florida (thanks for the reception to the State of Florida- another Wow!) for the missile shots. I got to see the missile shot from the launch area support ship instead of in the boat (talk about cool!). Our homeport was Bangor, Washington after we brought it through the Panama Canal. Anyway, I can probably dig up some stuff ( a photo or two- maybe I can scan the ship's patch) to share with you to enhance your model. Contact me through my e-mail address and I'll get back to you. The stuff is buried in a box someplace, but it'll give me an excuse to rummage in the storage end of the modelling room. Your desire to make a connection with the Florida is uplifting. Thanks for your interest.
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Painting an Ohio class sub
Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, March 2, 2005 1:39 PM
Well guys,
I'll be sure to post pics once the model is completed...but give me some time because I want to do it right and make it worth seeing...

Thanks
Tankbuster
QUOTE: Originally posted by butchy

Hi Tankbuster, Thank You.
FYI SSB(N) 728 is the USS Florida
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Posted by DBFSS385 on Wednesday, March 2, 2005 12:09 PM
Hi Tankbuster, Thank You.
FYI SSB(N) 728 is the USS Florida
Be Well/DBF Walt
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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, March 2, 2005 11:46 AM
Hey guys,

Just came across a great reference site for Ohio class boats
Check it out and let me know what you think.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/systems/ssbn-726.htm
Tankbuster

QUOTE: Originally posted by tankbuster2005

Butchy,

I'm glad you had the chance to chat about something you like and appreciate
your input.

Tankbusterquote]Originally posted by butchy

Hey Tankbuster look what you started.. This forum is great.
What I missed the most about the "Loch" was the Testa Rossas at Captain Edd's and the Argyle. Both places drained many a Boomer Sailors wages. Great memorys. Much better than Rota and Guam. Scotland is a very lovely Country with many wonderful people.

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Posted by Seadragon021 on Wednesday, March 2, 2005 6:42 AM
Small world dwblackwell. I was a welding supervisor at Electric Boat during the period you were assigned to the 728 but I was in the North Yard on 688's. I did work on the 728 as a welder for awhile before I was promoted to supervisor.
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Posted by subfixer on Wednesday, March 2, 2005 5:27 AM
The Florida is still in the Navy Yard undergoing conversion. Its coming along nicely and is to be followed by the same modifications to the Georgia.

I'm from the government and I'm here to help.

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Posted by dwblackwell on Tuesday, March 1, 2005 9:41 PM
Wow, Tankbuster- I am flattered. The 728 is the USS Florida. It is now SSGN728 and is being converted (or it may be done now) into a cruise missile carrier with 128 or so of our finest Tomahawk missiles instead of the " coarse adjust" (meaning large changes in the real estate) Tridents. I was a plankowner on the Florida, which means I was assigned to it during the pain of getting it out of Electric Boat in Groton, Connecticut. We commissioned her in July of 1983. Many 14 hour plus days of power range testing in the propulsion plant getting it ready and ensuring the taxpayers got what they paid for. Truly an awesome platform, and it was fun doing the run down to Florida (thanks for the reception to the State of Florida- another Wow!) for the missile shots. I got to see the missile shot from the launch area support ship instead of in the boat (talk about cool!). Our homeport was Bangor, Washington after we brought it through the Panama Canal. Anyway, I can probably dig up some stuff ( a photo or two- maybe I can scan the ship's patch) to share with you to enhance your model. Contact me through my e-mail address and I'll get back to you. The stuff is buried in a box someplace, but it'll give me an excuse to rummage in the storage end of the modelling room. Your desire to make a connection with the Florida is uplifting. Thanks for your interest.

D. Blackwell MMC(SS), USN, Retired

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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, March 1, 2005 4:26 PM
Butchy,

I'm glad you had the chance to chat about something you like and appreciate
your input.

Tankbusterquote]Originally posted by butchy

Hey Tankbuster look what you started.. This forum is great.
What I missed the most about the "Loch" was the Testa Rossas at Captain Edd's and the Argyle. Both places drained many a Boomer Sailors wages. Great memorys. Much better than Rota and Guam. Scotland is a very lovely Country with many wonderful people.
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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, March 1, 2005 4:25 PM
David,

It would be a priviledge to number my finished sub 728. It would make
and nice story for why and a fitting tribute to someone who has served
for our country...May I ask the name of the SSBN 728?

Thanks,
Tankbuster
QUOTE: Originally posted by dwblackwell

To add some more details to the good information above, the T-hulls looked really nice when leaving the yards or drydock period. Anti-fouling red was painted up to the middle of the hull. The black paint (it was semi-gloss as described above) was taken down to meet the red. Here's the revelation in all this- after the ship was in service, all this painting was done using rollers (just like painting your house), so the finish was never really "pristine" on an in-service boat. It would get a fresh coat (looked glossy for a few days, actually) before dignitaries were hosted, and generally every availability. The anti-fouling red would look greenish gray until it was powerwashed when the ship was drydocked, then it would go back to a faded red. The fibreglass nose would take on a different shade of black depending on the exposure to sun and time since it was painted. The weathering would consist of streaking (use a dark gray for contrast) and occasionally rust streaks (which would prompt the Chief of the Boat to get some folks armed with rollers to paint again). The diesel exhaust ports (at the aft end of the sail) would acquire a really flat black soot covering if the diesel was run in port for any period of time. The non-skid on the topside surfaces is the only really obvious difference in finish that you'd be able to scale down to 1/350- I don't think the roller marks would be visible. Last time I saw a T-hull in 1995, they did not have the anechoic tiles that are on the fasties (SSN's). If you can find the book Silent Chase by Steve and Yogi Kaufman you will be treated to some truly excellent submarine pictures. Hope this helps you finish your Trident (and I hope you use 728 for the hull number) David Blackwell, MMC(SS), USN, Retired (SSBN 657 Gold, SSBN 728 Gold, AS-31, SSN-660, SSN 755)
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Posted by dwblackwell on Friday, February 25, 2005 3:48 PM
Yeah, the two years I spent on the Hunley (or was it the Funley?) over in Holy Loch were nice from a living standpoint, but horrible from a work standpoint. Duty days were usually a 22 hour endurance test (trying to keep those old boomers fixed in the mid-80's was a lot of work), and we did lots of emergent fixes on transient fast boats. The best part for me was being a member of the model railroad club there- talk about a great experience!! All the members were the nicest folks- had the same interests as we all do. They helped me out quite a bit in enjoying my other hobby (model railroading), but they all had built the Airfix classics and really were great folks. We still exchange Christmas Cards with several of our friends from there. And yes, I do remember the horizontal rain (120 knot winds one day, as I recall) and the midgies. It really was an experience. Looks like we may have crossed paths, Subfixer- I was in R-5 '85-'87. Good to relive the memories- I was more of a Tenant's 70 shilling guy, though. Pity they closed it all down in '92.

D. Blackwell MMC(SS), USN, Retired

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Posted by subfixer on Friday, February 25, 2005 9:58 AM
I always liked the Tenant's Lager and the specially decorated cans that it came in.
(mid 80's).
Guam was a very good place for me but you are correct about Scotland being the better even with that vicious winter weather around Holy Loch. The Scots are good people. I never really cared for Rota that much.

I'm from the government and I'm here to help.

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