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Best Plastic Ship Model - Your opinion

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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, May 12, 2005 11:44 PM
IMHO, as a neat package (sailing ship), the small Revell Golden Hind/Spanish Galleon/Mayflower/Elizabeathan Man-'O-War is one of my favorites. The Heller Thonier Armor, although a small package, is also a real beaut. The thing about Heller kits though is the lack of rigging instruction. I haven't built any of the great big ones, but that seems to be an omission on the smaller kits.

For steel ships....there's so many great ones coming out, I don't think I have seen enough of the new ones to make a call.

ERic
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Posted by Big Jake on Thursday, May 12, 2005 5:31 PM
John,

Can you email me direct? jbgroby@cox.net I'd like to get some information to you.

Thanks,
Jake

 

 

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Posted by jtilley on Thursday, May 12, 2005 4:02 PM
Jake,

There's plenty of room for debate about those two Cutty Sark kits. I don't have either of them in front of me, so I'll have to base this on memory.

Please note: the Imai one I'm referring to is the big one - about two feet long, on about 1/125 scale. It was issued in the late seventies; I bought mine on a trip to England. I have the impression that it was only in production for a short time - and Imai, of course, has since gone out of business. I subsequently sold mine, dammit; when I moved from Ohio to Virginia I had to get rid of lots of stuff. I wonder if the kit you're looking at is the little one with the one-piece hull that Monogram distributed for a while. That one obviously isn't in the same league.

Anyway, here are my recollections. Take them with a grain of salt; I haven't looked closely at either kit in a long time.

In favor of the Imai kit:

- Main deck molded in one piece. (The three pieces of the Revell deck are pretty awful.)
- Countersunk planking seams. (Revell's are raised lines.)
- Three-dimensional molding of some, at least, of the carvings. (If I remember right, the bow carvings are molded and the stern ones are decals. I may be wrong about that.)
- Better representation of the paneling on the deckhouses. (Imai molded the panels in relief. Revell just put raised lines around them.)
- Slightly better rendition of some deck fittings, such as the winches.
- Better rendition of the deadeyes and chainplates. (The Revell versions are pretty bad. They're way out of scale; those wide pinrails to accommodate the deadeyes are nothing like those of the real ship. I don't remember just how Imai handled that problem, but they did at least a little better.)

The Imai kit is not without its problems. The upper spars are a little heavy, and there are two funny goofs in the deck furniture. The kit is obviously based on the beautiful plans drawn by George Campbell, which show just about every conceivable detail of the ship - but not quite. He only showed the side and top views of the "booby hatch" just aft of the mainmast. Imai's designers, probably not having any idea what the real thing was supposed to look like, made it match the plans from the top and side - but it looks ridiculous from any other angle. And Campbell made one detail drawing do double duty for the two winches. The forward one is supposed to have a gadget called a "cable lifter" on each end - a heavy iron fitting that grabs onto the anchor cable, to haul in the slack more quickly (though with less force) than the windlass. (I guess the windlass was used to break the anchor loose from the bottom, and the winches to haul it in.) The after winch, of course, has no such fittings. Campbell did a drawing of one winch with a cable lifter on one end, and a note underneath reading "cable lifters on both ends of forward winch." The Imai designers apparently didn't read English. Each of the kit's winches has a cable lifter on one end.

In favor of the Revell kit:

- Bigger.
- Those wonderful crew figures and the figurehead. (Revell's "Nanny the Witch" is a better looking female than the one on the real ship.)
- Slightly more refined in some details (e.g., the railings around the forecastle deck).
- More accurate rendition of the trailboards. (Imai cast them integrally with the hull halves; the Revell ones are separate parts.)
- More individual parts for the top hamper. (Imai, if I remember, molded the studding sail booms integrally with the yards - not bad, but the Revell ones are separate pieces. On the other hand, Revell didn't make much of an effort to represent the studdingsail boom irons.)

If, heaven forbid, I were to tackle a model of the Cutty Sark, I'd try to find an Imai kit. But if I couldn't find one I wouldn't hesitate to use the Revell one. It is, by any standards, a nice product and a sound basis for a good scale model.

I wish some of the Airfix kits were more widely available. I have pleasant memories of the Endeavour, Prince, Sovereign of the Seas, and Revenge. (On the other hand, the Airfix Bounty is dreadful - one of the worst plastic sailing ship kits ever. It came out more than twenty years after the Revell one, but the Revell one beats it on almost all counts.) The ones I'd really like to see reappear, though, are the Revell Golden Hind and Mayflower. I don't know that I'd actually buy either of them, but they were terrific kits.

Youth, talent, hard work, and enthusiasm are no match for old age and treachery.

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Posted by Big Jake on Thursday, May 12, 2005 2:45 PM
John,

I suppose that you're right about the tech. improving with a few years. I just looked at the winches on my model of the Cutty Sark in my office and checked out the web site they look very cloase to me, but just a touch heavy.

I too like the America and several others in the Revell line. Bounty, etc. In the Airfix line I have the Wasa, and man that some carving! I just recently picked up a copy of the Cutty sark by Imai.Monogran. Looks O.K. but do you really think that one is better than the Revell version? How come?

Jake

 

 

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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, May 12, 2005 2:44 PM
I'll second ICM Konig..She is a great build.I also like Nichimo's 1/500 scale japanese carriers and their battleship lines..Believe it or not, I liked Glencoe's OREGON model.and revell's Yorktown model..wow, there are too many choices...LOL.Out of the ships i build i thought Heller's RICHEALIU is a great ship that i thought i did a great job on.
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Posted by jtilley on Thursday, May 12, 2005 2:23 PM
I think I'd vote with Jake, with one small difference. I'd rate the Revell Constitution second and the Cutty Sark third. My reasoning is that the Constitution is a newer kit, and the detail of the era when it originated is a bit better than that of the Cutty Sark. The deck winches of the Cutty Sark, for example, are pretty crude, and the "carved" detail on the trailboards and transom takes the form of decals - whereas the carving on the Constitution is beautifully done in three dimensions.

Other contenders that I'd nominate for any short list would be the Imai 1/125 Cutty Sark (arguably more accurate than the Revell one), the Airfix Wasa (some of the best "carved" detail ever - but let down by the phony gunports), the Revell Golden Hind, and the Revell Mayflower.

The sad thing about all this is that all these kits are so old (the newest, the Heller Victory, has been around for more than twenty years), and most of them are unavailable. The Heller Victory and Revell Constitution are the only ones one would be likely to find in the typical hobby shop. The Revell Cutty Sark is in the current Revell Germany catalog, and the list on the Airfix website does include the Wasa. But most of the old sailing ship kits that folks like Jake and me grew up with are only to be found at flea markets and on e-bay. The serious plastic sailing ship kit seems to be just about dead.

I have the impression that when Jake started this thread he was thinking primarily about sailing vessel kits. Twentieth-century steel ships are another world entirely. My personal list of best warship kits, for what little it's worth, would certainly include the Tamiya 1/700 Yamato and Missouri, the Sealsmodel Mikasa, and the Dragon Arizona. The big difference between this realm and that of the sailing ship is that the warship business is alive and well. On the basis of the reviews on the Steel Navy site I rather suspect the new Dragon Essex-class carriers are going to raise the bar several feet - and in a few months some manufacturer will figure out a way to raise it even higher. This is a great time to be a modern warship modeler.

Youth, talent, hard work, and enthusiasm are no match for old age and treachery.

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Posted by bigjimslade on Thursday, May 12, 2005 2:19 PM
Big fan of the ICM Konig.
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Posted by scottrc on Thursday, May 12, 2005 1:56 PM
Despite having weak masts that were easily replaced, the Royal Louis and the Pheonix by Heller were my favorite builds. I could contest their "historical accuracy", but then again, I could also get a PHD in maritime history.

Two others that I really liked building were the CSS Alabama / USS Kearsarge (Not as much rigging hee hee) and the America by Revell. Both are relaxing builds, clean moldings, and a wealth of flexibilty to add detail.

Scott

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Posted by seasick on Thursday, May 12, 2005 11:22 AM
Revell's 1/426 USS Arizona. Big Smile [:D]

Chasing the ultimate build.

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Posted by DBFSS385 on Thursday, May 12, 2005 11:17 AM
My Vote Revells 1/72 Type Vllc U Boot. Their 1/72 S Boot is not far behind.
Be Well/DBF Walt
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Best Plastic Ship Model - Your opinion
Posted by Big Jake on Thursday, May 12, 2005 10:34 AM
I was talking to a neighbor the other day and he asked me what I though was the best plastic ship model was and/or why. We talked for a while and got to thinking about that, it's a pretty hard subject to cull down. Here are my thoughts, let me know what you think the best model is/was. I figure there are two main topics, one is #8220;Historically Accurate#8221; vs. #8220;Historical Important Ship but a bad mold#8221; I know that it does not sound like they would be close but they are, example.

There have been many editions of the USS Constitution, Revells#8217; 36#8221; being the best for a 1956 mold/technology. However, the smaller version by Revell has the #8216;current correct#8217; gun ports molded in the model. So how does one judge? Revell, I believe was first in at least trying to get the accurate details right on many of their early models, not just punching out kits to sell. The Revell Cutty Sark to this day is stilled considered to be the very best rendition of the clipper.

I wonder why Heller did not invest in one. Can you imagine the detail and number of parts? Both Heller and Airfix made smaller versions of the Cutty Sark but I think they are the same mold? The Heller HMS Victory is what most modelers consider to be the #8216;Gold Standard#8217; in plastic models. Is that because of the number of parts, detail or size of that famous ship? I think all can agree that no one has ever come close to topping that model in plastic. I believe however that almost all of Heller#8217;s larger kits were better than the previous one, (yes, I know each has a mistake somewhere) but in general each of Heller#8217;s larger 1/100th. #8211; 1/150th. scale monsters are outstanding, Royal Louis, Reale de France, Prussian, Pamir, etc.

When Heller merged with Aurora they produced a kit of a Chebec in 1/50th. this I rate as a Historically Important Ship model because it filled a gap of ship design. The level of detail is outstanding. However, with that being said the cannons are not as accurate as they could be and the rigging for them is completely left out of the instr. manual as well as the parts needed to make them look accurate. Go figure?

In my opinion I rate the
Heller#8217;s Victory 1st. 1/100
Revell#8217;s Cutty Sark 2nd. 1/96
Revell#8217;s USS Constitution 3rd. 1/96

What do the rest of you think?

 

 

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