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  • Member since
    August 2005
  • From: vernon hills illinois
Posted by sumpter250 on Monday, November 28, 2005 7:03 PM

I had a chance to spend some time aboard the "Highlander Sea", while she was in chicago for "Tall Ships Chicago". She sails out of Port Huron, Mi. Having studied Chapelle's "the American Fishing Schooner" at length, I was pleasantly surprised to see all the fittings on Highlander Sea, were documented in the Chapelle book.

  I have to agree, your Pyro is an excellent learner kit. Good luck with it, and yes please, post some pictures.

Pete

Lead me not into temptation ..................I can find it myself

  • Member since
    May 2003
  • From: Greenville, NC
Posted by jtilley on Sunday, November 27, 2005 12:14 AM

There's nothing wrong with that model that I can see.  At first glance my eyebrows went up a little when I saw the silver-painted deck fittings, but they may be correct.  We're talking about a vessel of the 1920s or 1930s here; by that time aluminum paint probably was in pretty common use as a protective coat for such things.

Depending on how much time (and money) you want to put into the project, you might want to consider using some aftermarket parts.  Bluejacket ( www.bluejacketinc.com ) makes some nice deadeyes, blocks, etc. that would look a good bit more authentic than the ones in the kit.  A fishing schooner is a great subject for learning how to rig deadeyes and lanyards - and there are few enough of them to keep the price of the parts down.  On the other hand, Pyro was a little ahead of the competition (i.e., Revell and Aurora) in those days when it came to realistic rigging.  The "deadeye combo units" that came with the kit are, to my eye at least, considerably better looking than the blobs in the early Revell kits.

I'd forgotten about Pyro's approach to stands.  Simple but effective.  To my eye it really shows off the beautiful lines of the hull, and is in character with the rough-and-ready nature of a fishing schooner.

Please do post some more pictures as she progresses.  It's already obvious that this is going to be a mighty handsome model.

Youth, talent, hard work, and enthusiasm are no match for old age and treachery.

  • Member since
    October 2004
  • From: Maryland
Posted by Par429 on Saturday, November 26, 2005 9:58 PM

Mr Tilley and schoonerbumm-

   Thanks for the comments and suggestions.  I have started to track down some of the references you suggested.  I saw 'Captains Courageous' a long time ago, I'll have to see if I can find it again.  Here is where I am starting from:

This was assembled many years ago so the glue is very brittle.  I have managed to pop most of it apart to repaint.  I hope no one minds if I post some in-progress photos occasionally. 

Thanks again,

Phil

  • Member since
    July 2004
  • From: Monterey Bay, CA
Posted by schoonerbumm on Wednesday, November 23, 2005 9:27 PM

In additon to Chapelle's 'American fishing Schooners', other valuable references available on the net (check ADDALL.COM) are:

'American Fishermen', Albert Cook Church, 1940, W.W. Norton & co. - hundreds of b/w photos - a 'must have' for the schooner buff

'Fast and Able', Life Stories of Great Gloucester Fishing Vessels'. Gordon w. Thomas, 1968 - vessel photos with life histories

'Bluenose II, Saga of the Great Fishing Schooners', L.B. Jensen, 1994, Nimbus Publishing - wonderful detail and vessel drawings

...and Professor Tilley is right, you have to get a copy of 'Captains Courageous'

 

 

 

Alan

"Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy." Benjamin Franklin

  • Member since
    May 2003
  • From: Greenville, NC
Posted by jtilley on Wednesday, November 23, 2005 10:00 AM

That Pyro kit is extremely old; it was, in fact, one of the very first plastic sailing ship kits, originating back in the early fifties.  I think it was copied virtually intact from a wood kit by the now-long-defunct Marine Models, Inc.  (Pyro was known in those days among wood ship model companies as "Pirate Plastics.")  But I really like it.  It's simple, but the basic shapes and proportions are right.  It's high on my list (a short one) of kits I recommend to newcomers in the hobby.

Ronnberg is one of the foremost authorities on American fishing schooners.  I think the book you've got is in fact the instruction manual for a wood kit from either Model Shipways or Bluejacket.  He's done several.  The one that would be most relevant for anybody working on a Gertrude L. Thebaud is the one from the Model Shipways Benjamin W. Latham or Elsie.  I have a horrible feeling that the one you have may be the book that comes with the Bluejacket Smuggler.  That one's about fifty years too early.  There's quite a bit of difference.

The other classic source on the subject is The American Fishing Schooners, by the dean of the history of American naval architecture, Howard I. Chapelle.  It's a big, fat, hardbound book loaded with plans, detail sketches, and photographs.  New copies are kind of expensive, but I suspect you could find a used copy at a very reasonable price on the web.  Chapelle spent years prowling the docks of New England seaports making sketches and taking pictures.  I suspect there's more than enough information in that book to build the sort of model you have in mind.

Take everything you see on modern replica vessels with a huge grain of salt.  I don't know which particular ships you had the opportunity to visit; they vary tremendously in accuracy.  The Bluenose II, for instance, looks just about like the original Bluenose from even a short distance, but fishing schooner buffs have no trouble finding anachronisms in her rigging and deck furniture.  (Part of that problem, it should be said, originates in modern Coast Guard safety regulations.  The Thebaud couldn't pass a safety inspection today.)  And when it comes to such things as the appearance and color of rope and sailcloth - forget it.  Modern replicas almost invariably use synthetics, which look a lot different from what would be found on board a schooner of the 1920s or 1930s (like the Thebaud).

There's one other source you've gotta consult - if you haven't already.  By whatever means necessary, get hold of a DVD or VHS copy of the movie "Captains Courageous" - the old original, with Spencer Tracy, Lionel Barrymore, and Freddie Bartholomew.  It contains some of the most spectacular maritime footage ever filmed - all of it having to do with Gloucester fishing schooners of the 1930s.  It's more than worth the trouble to sit through 90 minutes of melodrama (most of it only passingly similar to the original Kipling book) in order to watch the race between two of those wonderful ships near the end.

Hope this helps a little.  Good luck.  You picked a fine kit to break into sailing ship modeling.

Youth, talent, hard work, and enthusiasm are no match for old age and treachery.

  • Member since
    October 2004
  • From: Maryland
Pyro Schooner
Posted by Par429 on Tuesday, November 22, 2005 8:10 AM

Hey, lots in interesting info on this forum.  I'm thinking of building my first ship model in many years.  I have a old partially built Pyro kit of the schooner Gertrude L. Thebaud that I was thinking of finishing.  Any opinions on this kit?  I'm using this as a warm-up exercise, so I'm not very concerned if it does not accurately represent any particular ship.  I mostly want to practice sails and rigging, and hopefully get it right.  For reference, in addition to some general books, I have a copy of Gloucester Clipper Fishing Schooners, by Erid Ronnberg, JR.  Any other references recommended?    Last question, recently I attended a tall ships open house, and was able to take lots of pictures of the two schooners that were present.  Are there any big differences in sails/rigging between  schooners from the late 1800s and modern replicas?  Or does it depend on the individual ship? 

Thanks,

Phil

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