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Posted by Steve H. on Thursday, October 26, 2006 11:39 PM

Hi

When I was about 13, I did a "sistership" of the "Sark". It too was a Revel kit, the Thermopilie{sory for the miss spelling, but you get the drift, I did all my models then "out of the box", and I used her unferled sails in full bloom. She was up 'till then the most difficult model I put together at that time. Now that I'm 57 I'm not that satisfied for just "out of the box" anymore. I take 1/700 scale ships and go BEYOND the original kit. I guess I like the challenge. But then again after a 30 year hiatis, it's time to a higher level.

Steve H

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Posted by Halo_819 on Thursday, October 26, 2006 11:20 PM
Here is how the plans show up on my paypal account:

Item Name: CUTTY SARK SHIP PLANS: SET OF THREE
Quantity: 1

Total: £7.50 GBP



Cart Subtotal: £7.50 GBP
Shipping: £3.00 GBP
Sales Tax:
Cart Total: £10.50 GBP

The exchange rate for this purchase is 1 USD = 0.517725GBP.

So they only total al ittle over $21.00 USC.
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Posted by mikepowers on Thursday, October 26, 2006 3:41 PM

Wow, all of this info is getting me in the mood to start building mine also.

I'm not quite there yet but looking very forward to ordering the plans and getting started.

Just wanted to share.

 

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  • From: portland oregon area
Posted by starduster on Thursday, October 26, 2006 2:24 PM
   Thank you jtilley, that sounds like a great amount of informantion, I'll be ordering a set as well, thanks again.   Karl
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Posted by jtilley on Thursday, October 26, 2006 2:09 PM

I've got the plans in front of me.  Sheet #1 ("General Arrangement") contains the hull lines, an outboard profile of the hull (including the bowsprit and jibboom), a longitudinal cross-section (which goes up as high as the lower masts), an elevation of the insides of the bulwarks, a plan of the main deck, a second deck plan showing the forecastle deck, poop deck, and tops of the deckhouses, and scrap views (some on larger scales) of several fittings and other details:  the anchors, rail winches, tops, deck winches, bilge pumps, fiferail stanchions, catheads, saluting gun, bollards, windlass, deckhouse bulkheads fire bucket rack, harness cask, steering wheel, compass, and a few others.

Sheet #2 ("Rigging Plan") is dominated by an outboard profile with all the spars in place - with the yards in their lowered positions and no sails.  It also includes details of the spars and a large-scale scrap view of the figurehead and bow carvings, along with an unusual detail view showing the leads of the running rigging through the shroud fairleads.  This sheet shows all the standing rigging and most of the running rigging - everything that normally would be in place when the sails weren't present - and some lines that might not be.

Sheet #3 ("Sail Plan") shows all the sails - those on the fore and main masts from the weather side, those on the mizzen from the lee.  The yards are raised and the studding sail booms are rigged out.  This sheet also includes detail views of the ship's boats and an expansion of the carving on the stern.  Various lines associated with the handling of the sails (including the studding sails) are shown here and not on the "Rigging Plan."

To do a thorough job of building and rigging the model you really need all three sheets - and the price is hard to beat.  I can't think of a bigger bargain available in ship modeling.  The price in the U.S. will, of course, vary a little according to the exchange rate, but $20 should do it (including shipping).  Here's the link to order them:  http://www.cuttysark.org.uk/index.cfm?fa=contentShop.productDetails&productId=40&startrow=1&directoryId=6

I can't say enough about these plans.  They're beautifully drawn, easy to follow, and fascinating to just sit and read.  (Reading everything that's on them will take quite a while.)  I've never seen so much information crammed into three pieces of paper.

Youth, talent, hard work, and enthusiasm are no match for old age and treachery.

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Posted by Michael D. on Thursday, October 26, 2006 9:20 AM

Starduster that set  will include the rigging plan along with the sail plan for around 15 to 20 dollars, maybe a little more.. I'll be ordering a set myself.

 

Michael.

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  • From: portland oregon area
Posted by starduster on Thursday, October 26, 2006 8:02 AM
   OK, I have a question, the 3 ship plans of the Cutty  Sark every one's talking about  what do they actually consist of ? do they include the rigging plan ? or do I have to order that  as well ? and what is the final cost including shipping of the 3 set ?  I have the Revell 1960 issue  1/96 scale Cutty Sark without the sails and am trying to sort out all this informantion which is causing my printer to scream stop....thanks    Karl
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Posted by Halo_819 on Thursday, October 26, 2006 12:44 AM
Thank you very much. I will be patient and wait for the plans. Yu are right about the length of time for the build. Kids and dogs have a way of distracting me!
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Posted by jtilley on Thursday, October 26, 2006 12:32 AM

Unfortunately there's no simple, quick answer to that one.  The size and number of blocks and deadeyes you'll need really depends on how thorough a job of rigging you do.  The rigging of a ship like that, when she's in service, includes hundreds of lines.  There are all sorts of perfectly legitimate reasons to omit some of them.  Most of the lines that are attached directly to the sails (sheets, tacks, buntlines, leechlines, clewlines, etc.) are relevant only if your model has its sails set.  Many modelers (including me) don't build their models in that configuration.  If you leave off the sails, you're fully justified in leaving off a pretty big percentage of the running rigging.

The George Campbell plans that you've ordered include specs for the blocks and deadeyes of the real ship (that is, the lengths of the full-size blocks and the diameters of the full-size deadeyes).  So all you have to do is divide the numbers on the sail and rigging plans by 96 to get the scale sizes. 

I'm a big fan of the britannia metal blocks and deadeyes from Bluejacket (www.bluejacketinc.com).  The Bluejacket parts don't come in enough different sizes to cover every single size of block on board the real ship, but you can come close.  (You can, for instance, easily get away with representing 11", 12", and 13" blocks with the Bluejacket 1/8" ones.)  You probably want to use the "metal-stropped" blocks.

The plans also give the sizes of the rigging lines.  Remember:  rope sizes are generally expressed in terms of circumference.  To get the diameter of the rope (which probably is what you're interested in), divide the figure on the drawing by pi (i.e., 3.1416 - or by 3 if you're not ridiculously picky about such things.)  Then divide that figure by 96 to get the diameter of thread that will represent the prototype rope to scale.  (Or, to keep life simple, just divide the measurement on the plans by 300.)  Again, you probably won't be able to match all the huge variety of lines in the real ship, but six or seven different sizes will make a pretty convincing variety. 

The deadeyes present some problems.  After you've junked the plastic ones, you'll have to work out a way to secure the replacement lower ones to the hull.  (The Cutty Sark's lower deadeyes are a little unusual.  They're secured by iron strops to chainplates that are riveted to the insides of the bulwarks.  The chainplates pass through the pinrails; the deadeyes sit on top of the pinrails.  Revell's deadeyes, of course, are oversized - and the pinrails in way of the deadeyes are too wide.  Study the plans, which clearly explain how the real ship is put together.  It shouldn't be too difficult to make one of the Bluejacket styles work.

One tip:  don't feel like you're under some obligation to buy all the fittings you'll need at the same time.  At first, buy enough deadeyes to cover the lower ones on the lower fore, main, and mizzen shrouds and backstays - the deadeyes, that is, that are secured to the bulwarks.  (By my casual count, there are 34 on each side of the ship - in two or three sizes.  That means you'll need six dozen deadeyes to start.)  I'd suggest buying twelve dozen (uppers and lowers combined), so you have enough to set up the standing rigging of the lower masts and the backstays.  While you're at it, order a few dozen blocks in various sizes.  When you get low on blocks, order some more.  Bluejacket's service is good; waiting for a shipment of blocks to arrive won't slow you down significantly.  In any case, if you're just now starting on the model, you won't need any blocks or deadeyes for several months.

Hope that helps a little. Good luck.

Youth, talent, hard work, and enthusiasm are no match for old age and treachery.

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Another 1:96 Cutty Sark post!
Posted by Halo_819 on Wednesday, October 25, 2006 11:55 PM
Hi guys, I have been reading with great interest all of the posts on this forum about the Revell 1:96 Cutty Sark. It has been very informative and I feel that armed with all of this info my CS should come out pretty decently. I have ordered the plans from the CS website. I am definately going to replace the preformed shrouds and ratlines as recommended. I do have a burning question though. I want to replace the deadeyes and all of the blocks with wood ones. Since I have no LHS that deals with these parts I am limited to internet shopping for them.
What size blocks and deadeyes do I need for this? I am really hesitant to purchase them without guidance. I wish that I sould see and touch them in order to determine that they are the right size.
Any help would be appreciated.

John
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