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1:350 Dragon USS Buchanan DD-484 1942 #1021

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Posted by searat12 on Saturday, May 31, 2008 10:40 AM
Just got my 'Buchanan' yesterday, and it really is very nicely detailed, and should make up into a very fine model.  As I am still working on 'Atago,' it will be a while before I get to it, but one thing has struck home.... One of the reasons I try to get my models in the same scale is for the purposes of comparison, and as I am now building the Aoshima 1/350 'Atago,' of course I put the hull of the USS Buchanan alongside.  All I can say is to remark on how brave the 'Tin Can' sailors must have been, including my uncle, as the USS Buchanan looks like a dinghy alongside the hulking mass of 'Atago!'  It must have taken enormous bravery to charge a heavy Japanese cruiser like this in something so tiny and unprotected... I think if it had been me, I would have been paddling just as fast as I could in the other direction!
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Posted by flyguy on Wednesday, May 28, 2008 11:02 PM
You're right ,Puma. My Tamiya swabbies arrived today, and they do look just like gingerbread men ! I expected better from them !  My 1/350th Fujimi Kongo arrived today, it included about a thousand or so Japanese swabbies and they're in 3-D ,unfortunately they're all walking , saluting, standing at attention ,or an officer holding his binoculars. Still not as good as the ones included in the Dragon kit. They are sold separately!  Cheers, Flyguy
Grit yer teeth an' grin !!!
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Posted by searat12 on Wednesday, May 28, 2008 7:21 AM
...I was thinking of those that made it to WW2 service.....
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Posted by EdGrune on Wednesday, May 28, 2008 6:39 AM

The HMS Campbeltown (I 42) was formerly the USS Buchanan (DD131)

The US Navy's destroyer force during WWI included all of the Navy's destroyers dating back to the Bainbridge (DD-1), from the birth of the destroyer force in 1902.  Most had four stacks, but some of the Smiths & Pauldings had three (two engines were trunked together into one broad funnel). 

There were also some Spanish American War-era torpedo boats still operating.  Most had two funnels

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Posted by searat12 on Tuesday, May 27, 2008 8:42 PM
Correct.  I can't think of any WW1 US destroyers that weren't 'four-stackers' like USS Ward and USS Cambeltown.  The Gleaves class is entirely different and far more modern......
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Posted by EdGrune on Tuesday, May 27, 2008 4:23 PM

 Mikeym_us wrote:

<<SNIP>>

 And the Gleaves Class was a WWI build Destroyer (basically a precurser of the Fletcher).

Yes the Benson/Gleaves class was a precursor to the Fletchers, but they were far from being World War One destroyers.  

The Bensons were built under FY 1938 defense authorizations.    The firrst Gleaves (i.e. the Buchanan and her sisters) were authorized under FY 1940 spending.

Once again I'll recommend Steve Backer's article on the development of the US Destroyer force following the first World War. 

http://www.steelnavy.com/DragonBuchanan1942.htm

The Navy had almost 300 destroyers available or under construction at the end of WWI.   The Navy did not begin looking at modernizing their destroyer fleet until 1927, and contracts for the first of the post-war destroyer classes, the Farragut, were not funded until 1931.  Between 1931 and 1938 there were several additional destroyer contracts let which were incremental improvements in capability.  Evolution was rapid. 

If the Fletchers were the ultimate WWII destroyer (some may argue in favor of the Sumner or Gearings),  the Benson/Gleaves were the penultimate class

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Posted by subfixer on Tuesday, May 27, 2008 6:14 AM

 searat12 wrote:
Well, of course there ain't no such thing as a self-respecting squid!  Besides, they sell more icecream in the dress whites (an' the Airforce pick up more bus fares when they wear their blues!)!

Good point.

I'm from the government and I'm here to help.

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Posted by searat12 on Sunday, May 25, 2008 10:16 AM
Well, of course there ain't no such thing as a self-respecting squid!  Besides, they sell more icecream in the dress whites (an' the Airforce pick up more bus fares when they wear their blues!)!
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Posted by subfixer on Sunday, May 25, 2008 4:58 AM
Paint yer dadburn ants light and dark blue, no self respecting squid wears dress whites unless he is made to!

I'm from the government and I'm here to help.

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Posted by Wildcat on Friday, May 23, 2008 9:53 PM
Thanks for the report, now I can't wait until I get mine. It looks like mine will have to wait until Tuesday because of the holiday.
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Posted by EdGrune on Friday, May 23, 2008 12:39 PM

Mine arrived yesterday, just as FedEx promised

WOW!  Everything in the previous review and more!

I was afraid that it might be something like a Dragon armor kit  -- why do something in 5 parts when 20 will do.  But the parts breakdown is logical and unused parts on the frets hint at kits to come. 

The basic brass fret included with the set covers ladders, braces, brackets and other small details which are beyond the limits of injection styrene.   The kit includes bending forms for complex shapes.  The basic brass also includes hatches.   The superstructure bulkheads are molded with depressions which represent the hatchways.  Cement the PE brass hatch to the side of the depression and you have an open hatchway.   Check your references for paint colors applied to interior surfaces.

I got the bonus pre-order brass set.   It includes a nicely pre-formed MK37 radar with supports as well as railings  with dodgers and netting.   Very well done.   There will be little the aftermarket guys can do for this kit. 

The included figures are nice and in natural poses.  Very unlike the new Gumbie-like figures from Tamiya.   I wish there were more of them.   Perhaps Dragon will offer a pack like their aftermarket aircraft sets.

The non-skid tile decals for the decks are nice too.   I want Dragon to offer the decals as aftermarket too.  

The painting diagram for the Ms12R camouflage is full size for the kit.  A little bit of creative Xerography and it will be useable as painting masks.    For the camouflage faint of heart there is also a Ms21 scheme (overall Navy Blue) identified for the Battle of Kolombangara (Solomons campaign) in 1943.

The bar has been raised.  This is the kit that the Trumpeter Sullivans should have been!  The Tamiya Fletcher pales in the comparison.

This is my new recommendation for the first ship with rails & details.  

 

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Posted by EdGrune on Tuesday, May 20, 2008 8:15 PM
Yep,  mines due on Thursday according to the FedEx tracker assigned to it
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Posted by Wildcat on Tuesday, May 20, 2008 7:54 PM
Got an email from Dragon today, my USS Buchanan model in on it's way and should be here in a couple days.
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Posted by searat12 on Tuesday, May 20, 2008 5:14 PM
Of course, at that scale you could just super-glue a bunch of ants on the model, paint 'em white and give 'em little 'dixie cup' hats for effect!
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Posted by Puma on Tuesday, May 20, 2008 11:25 AM
From the photos it appears the Tamiya figures look like flat gingerbread men.  Most have taken ap pass on them after seeing the pictures.  L'Arsenal is still the best out there.
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Posted by flyguy on Tuesday, May 20, 2008 11:11 AM
I've ordered a set of 1/350 figures from greatmodels.com. They're tamiya stock number 12622. Cost $8.60. I think they're IJN sailors,but in that scale, I think you could get away with a little "artistic license". Off hand ,I don't remember how many swabbies there are in the set,but there is a respectable number. They haven't arrived yet,so I can't vouch for the quality ,but for that price ,it's worth a look.
Grit yer teeth an' grin !!!
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Posted by searat12 on Friday, May 16, 2008 4:37 PM
...and this is particularly good, as will be able to 'do her up' as USS Aaron Ward, which my uncle served aboard at Guadalcanal (and got pasted by just about everything in the Japanese inventory that night, from battleships, cruisers and enemy destroyers too!)......
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Posted by searat12 on Friday, May 16, 2008 4:21 PM
I don't know, as I have heard a lot of bad reviews of the Trumpeter destroyer, and was just about to plump for a Tamiya, when word came out here about this new one from Dragon!  In any case, after looking at the available photos (pretty amazing detail!), I have decided on the Dragon Buchanon and now have it on pre-order......
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Posted by Mikeym_us on Friday, May 16, 2008 2:16 PM
Actually trumpeter surpassed Tamiya on the Fletcher Class Destroyer. I recently got hold of the USS The Sullivans and it actually is better than the Tamiya offering with the addition of building either the 1943 configuration or the 1945 configuration. And the Gleaves Class was a WWI build Destroyer (basically a precurser of the Fletcher).

On the workbench: Dragon 1/350 scale Ticonderoga class USS BunkerHill 1/720 scale Italeri USS Harry S. Truman 1/72 scale Encore Yak-6

The 71st Tactical Fighter Squadron the only Squadron to get an Air to Air kill and an Air to Ground kill in the same week with only a F-15   http://photobucket.com/albums/v332/Mikeym_us/

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Posted by keilau on Friday, May 16, 2008 1:19 PM

 searat12 wrote:
Has anyone compared this kit to the Tamiya USS Fletcher?  I have been hearing for a long time that the Tamiya Fletcher sets the standard......

Yes, Tamiya set the standard a long time ago and the world passed them by. Not only Hesagawa and Dragon are bring out new kit with much better details. The new destroyer kit most watched is the 1:144 USS Fletcher to be released by Revelle Monogram later this year.

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Posted by billydelawder on Friday, May 16, 2008 11:54 AM
Drools--AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Posted by searat12 on Friday, May 16, 2008 11:07 AM
Has anyone compared this kit to the Tamiya USS Fletcher?  I have been hearing for a long time that the Tamiya Fletcher sets the standard......
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Posted by ps1scw on Thursday, May 15, 2008 8:37 PM

Thanks guys!

All we need now is the mask for the camo Cool [8D]

The link may be of interest to those planning to attempt the camo.

http://www.destroyerhistory.org/benson-gleavesclass/ussbuchanan/index.html

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Posted by EdGrune on Thursday, May 15, 2008 6:19 PM

The basic kit contains brass details, but not railings. 

The Dragon/Cyberhobby Upgrade set includes PE railings, both with & without canvas dodgers.  It also contains MK37 fire control radar details

http://www.dragonusaonline.com/ItemSummary.aspx?ItemCode=CHC3830

The special upgrade set is available at a special early-bird sales price of 2.00 USD if you order the Buchanan direct from Dragon/Cyberhobby

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Posted by Tracy White on Thursday, May 15, 2008 5:43 PM
Not basic kit, but there will be a version that does... I'm blanking on what Dragon calls these releases though... premium edition maybe. Sigh [sigh]

Tracy White Researcher@Large

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Posted by ps1scw on Thursday, May 15, 2008 5:29 PM
Do the PE frets contain the ship's railings?
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Posted by EdGrune on Tuesday, May 13, 2008 12:17 PM

Steve Backer's SteelNavy review of the new Buchanan by Dragon

"The DML Buchanan is a superb kit. Wait...that's not right... the word superb is too pale, too vague, too understated for this kit. Simply put, this kit is the best injected plastic kit that I have ever seen. I have not seen every plastic kit ever produced but among those that I have seen, none provides the level of detail of the DML Buchanan."

Note that statement is not just best injected plastic ship kit,  it is best kit.  Period.

http://www.steelnavy.com/DragonBuchanan1942.htm

Steve offers an extensive summary of the genesis of the US Navy destroyer force following WWI, followed by a summary of the naval battles of the Solomons Islands.  Steve's article needs to be read to understand the history of this important class.   Then he examines the kit,  with photos of not only the sprues, but individual parts on the sprues. 

"Verdict
Dragon has long been known as the producer of the most detailed, injected plastic armor kits in the world. Now, DML has extended this commitment to world class excellence to the realm of 1:350 scale warships. You want the best in the world? The Dragon 1:350 scale USS Buchanan 1942 kit is simply the best detailed injected plastic warship kit yet produced in that scale."

Mine is on order.  I can't wait for it to arrive.  I'm sure that I will be buying two or three more

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Posted by ps1scw on Thursday, May 8, 2008 8:10 PM

 Mikeym_us wrote:
Wow it even includes 1/350 scale figures!

I'd like to see them release some sprue's of squids "milling about smartly"

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Posted by Mikeym_us on Thursday, May 8, 2008 8:00 PM
Wow it even includes 1/350 scale figures!

On the workbench: Dragon 1/350 scale Ticonderoga class USS BunkerHill 1/720 scale Italeri USS Harry S. Truman 1/72 scale Encore Yak-6

The 71st Tactical Fighter Squadron the only Squadron to get an Air to Air kill and an Air to Ground kill in the same week with only a F-15   http://photobucket.com/albums/v332/Mikeym_us/

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