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New Build: Lindberg Jolly Roger *Finished 7-7*

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Posted by enemeink on Wednesday, June 11, 2008 10:19 AM
it should clear the bowsprit becuase it's lower than the figurehead. unless i'm missing something....
"The race for quality has no finish line, so technically it's more like a death march."
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Posted by searat12 on Tuesday, June 10, 2008 6:01 PM
check to see how it works with the bowsprit first.....
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Posted by enemeink on Tuesday, June 10, 2008 5:14 PM
 kapudan_emir_effendi wrote:
 enemeink wrote:

i finished the hull for the most part over the weekend. no real reasons for the color selections. i just figured that it looked good and went with it. thanks for looking.

 

By no means I have intention to criticise excellent work, but, err, the beakhead rails which must joint right on figurehead's back seem to be staying a bit behing [:/] By no means a serious fault tough and I think if you like, you can easily corect it Smile [:)]

keep up the good work !

The funny thing about this is that I first glued that rails to the hull by the upper anchor supports as it shows in the manual. when the glue dried I bent the two pieces together and that's where they met. funny that I didn't even think of that. Blush [:I] I guess I can just carve some sprue and fill out the gap.

"The race for quality has no finish line, so technically it's more like a death march."
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Posted by Michael D. on Tuesday, June 10, 2008 3:12 PM
I'm liking it...keep em coming.

Michael
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Posted by kapudan_emir_effendi on Tuesday, June 10, 2008 1:50 PM
 enemeink wrote:

i finished the hull for the most part over the weekend. no real reasons for the color selections. i just figured that it looked good and went with it. thanks for looking.

 

By no means I have intention to criticise excellent work, but, err, the beakhead rails which must joint right on figurehead's back seem to be staying a bit behing [:/] By no means a serious fault tough and I think if you like, you can easily corect it Smile [:)]

keep up the good work !

Don't surrender the ship !
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Posted by searat12 on Tuesday, June 10, 2008 12:49 PM
Truly, a scurvy ship for a scurvy crew!
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New Build: Lindberg Jolly Roger *update 6-10*
Posted by enemeink on Tuesday, June 10, 2008 10:45 AM

i finished the hull for the most part over the weekend. no real reasons for the color selections. i just figured that it looked good and went with it. thanks for looking.

 

"The race for quality has no finish line, so technically it's more like a death march."
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Posted by warshipguy on Thursday, June 5, 2008 3:35 PM

. . . a practise described very well in Patrick O'Brien's Nutmeg of Consolation.

Bill Morrison

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Posted by searat12 on Thursday, June 5, 2008 11:26 AM

Well, although there was certainly a fair bit of overlap, privateers (especially the later ones) were NOT necessarily pirates, but businessmen.  The ships were often owned by a consortium, and they hired the very best captain they could find.  And certainly, the crews on privateers (especially a very large privateer as your model suggests) were often the best seamen to be found anywhere ('cuz there was a LOT more money to be had on a privateer, and if you could dodge the press-gang to get on board, you could make a big wedge of cash!), and of course, the more efficiently a warship operates, the better its chances of finding and subduing valuable prey..... No prey, no pay!

As for the French Navy, while there were certainly problems with the revolutionary navy, the problems of filth and hygiene on French ships goes back much further, with particularly bad examples during the French and Indian War (Seven Years War).  One one occasion in 1757, a fleet sent from France under Bois de la Motte to relieve the great fortress of Louisbourg in Canada consisting of 19 ships of the line and several frigates arrived at Louisbourg in three squadrons.  Unfortunately, one of the squadrons had first made a stopover in the Caribbean and besides being racked with scurvy, yellow fever and other tropical problems, also picked up a Typhus epidemic, which not only spread to the rest of the fleet, but got on shore as well.  In a matter of days, 400 of de la Motte's crewmen were dead, another 1,200 sick, and the squadron was forced to return to France.  On arrival in Brest, the epeidemic spread to the town, and over 5,000 civilians also died as a result, but the epidemic didn't stop there, as it was then spread to Rochefort and the surrounding area as well.  At the end of the day, nearly half of the 12,000 irreplaceable officers and crew that had sailed to Canada died of the disease, which is spread exclusively by lice, which should give you some idea of the state of things aboard the French ships!

While the British Navy also had its periodic problems with disease, the scientific efforts to deal with problems like scurvy and other diseases reaped enormous benefits.  One ritual for all new men reporting aboard was for all their clothes to be stripped and destroyed, and the men washed down on the fo'c'sles by the bosun and his mates (and you can bet it was a pretty rough scrub too!).  This, plus weekly inspections and cleaning of the crewmen and their gear, daily washdown and scrubbing of the ship kept things remarkably clean, and in many ways, living aboard a British man o' war could be considered far healthier than remaining ashore just about anywhere..... The nascent US Navy picked up many of its traditions and 'modus operandi' from the British Navy, with equally gratifying results (the Spanish Navy STILL hadn't figured out how to deal with scurvy until the end of the Napoleonic war!!)

Another thing to note; given the level of filth aboard French ships, it should come as no surprise to find out that one of the standard British practices on the capture of a French ship was to deliberately sink the vessel at the first opportunity, leave it on the bottom for a few days, then raise it and pump it out and scrub it from stem to stern (thus destroying all the resident vermin...).

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Posted by enemeink on Thursday, June 5, 2008 11:03 AM

Sad to say that I cheated on the weather of the gun trucks. I only weathered around the ones that you would be able to see from the top deck. So I did not weahther the trucks at the bow and the stern. But if you look closely at the second photo you can see that I did add some weathering to where the truck wheels would travel. But now I know that i need to make the detail longer, thanks! 

The hull is assembled I just need to finish painting and weathering. I hope to have that finished by this weekend. I want to add some scrapes and bumps to the hull to show some wear and tear from rubbing against other ships while boarding.

Also is there a special way to attach the gun ports? or do you just glue them to the side of the hull? I'm asking becuase the last two ships that I have done had a tab or something on the part to help with assembly. These have nothing.

"The race for quality has no finish line, so technically it's more like a death march."
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Posted by warshipguy on Thursday, June 5, 2008 10:30 AM

That lack of cleanliness on French national ships was particularly true during the Revolutionary period, when discipline went by the wayside as a general rule. Some order and professionalism was restored during the Napoleonic era, but French ships were less clean than British ships. Worse still, Spanish ships were well know to the British and French for their foul oders. But, it is harder still to imagine any pirate keeping a clean ship.

Bill Morrison

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Posted by searat12 on Thursday, June 5, 2008 10:18 AM
Actually, it wasn't just privateers (many of whom were run very much on naval lines), as the French navy was infamous for filth and very poor hygiene generally....... The Brits kept things VERY clean on a daily basis (and that included the crew and their effects as well!).
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Posted by warshipguy on Thursday, June 5, 2008 10:01 AM

Good point about the lack of cleanliness. If this were the naval version, the ship's crew would regularly holystone and swab the decks to a light gray / white finish. But, we all know this.

Bill Morrison

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Posted by searat12 on Thursday, June 5, 2008 9:33 AM
Well, as this is going to be a fairly 'rough and ready' privateer, you might take note of the gun-trucks.  When cannon are fired repeatedly, the trucks rumbling back and forth with the discharges will wear grooves in the deck, which with a lack of naval cleanliness, will attract dirt.
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Posted by RALPH G WILLIAMS on Thursday, June 5, 2008 12:17 AM

The finish really looks good. Nice idea to weather the deck in relation to foot traffic and movement of equipment on deck. Note taken.

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New Build: Lindberg Jolly Roger *Finished 7-7*
Posted by enemeink on Monday, June 2, 2008 10:51 AM

Next up on my work bench is the LIndberg Jolly Roger, a.k.a. La Flore. I bought 2 of these from my LHS and thought that it would be fun to build my own dirty Privateer ship. This is also helping me to learn how to weather and do pin washes. I figure that if I mess this one up nobody will really njotice. The other kit I will build as a La Flore when I get around to starting it. I'm only using paint and supplies that I already have on hand. Anyways I hope you all enjoy.

so to start this I decided that this is going to be a well worn ship. so I weathered the decks where there would be more foot traffic and left the lower deck a little bit more dirty and worn.

"The race for quality has no finish line, so technically it's more like a death march."
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