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Which airbrush should I buy?
Posted by lito.sf on Wednesday, March 19, 2003 11:16 AM
Hello !!
I have a dilema. I want to buy a new airbrush, but dont know wich one.
I want to buy something that will last forever and have the best results (in the future, because a have a lot to learn ).
I hear great references about the aztek 470 and the Iwata eclipse.
Wich is best?
I dont mind spending some money now as long as I dont have to buy another airbrush for many years.
I really apreciate your help!!!!
Lito
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Posted by midnightprowler on Wednesday, March 19, 2003 4:05 PM
I recommend a Badger Crescendo. It is a heavy duty double action. If you get the complete kit, it has 3 needles and tips, 1 small and 1 large color cup, plus a small touchup cup, all for a little over $110, maybe $120. You can get it at Michaels craft stores. Good luck.
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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, March 19, 2003 4:13 PM
get iwata and buy extra needles. u will need them
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Posted by lito.sf on Wednesday, March 19, 2003 7:14 PM
what is the best online store?
Is Michaels a online store?
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Posted by kaleu on Thursday, March 20, 2003 12:11 AM
Michaels is a brick and mortar store, but I don't know if they have a website. Try micromark.com or squadron.com. I use Paasche airbrushes and have had no problems with them.
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Posted by James Mark on Thursday, March 20, 2003 1:19 AM
The first airbrush I ever bought was a Paashe double action brush.

I was young (14) and saved ALL my money to afford it. I didn't know much about the tool and fumbled around with it for years. After years of experimentation I get great results.

I would never buy anything else. All metal constructions (except the handle) fairly easy to clean. (Some small parts) but you get the hang of it!

It's a very versatile tool and I would recommend it to anyone. Maybe find someone who could walk you through the tool first though. The first time I took mine apart to clean it was very interesting!

Great tool to grow into!

Have any questions I'd be happy to answer!

good luck!

James
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, March 20, 2003 6:23 AM
don t buy Revell
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, March 20, 2003 6:48 AM
get the new aztec made out of metal. its highperformance and easy! if you get the passhe or badgers (double action) you will have a long time to learn it.
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Posted by Keyworth on Friday, March 21, 2003 5:32 PM
Try several types (if your modelling buddies have 'em, try theirs!). and make your mind up then. By the way, Michael's does have a website. - Ed
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Posted by lito.sf on Friday, March 21, 2003 6:38 PM
do you know the website name?
thanks
I dont have friends modelers, I´m alone in this decision,
the guys at the stores here in Portugal know less then I do,
they just don´t know nothing about the products
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Posted by seaphoto on Friday, March 21, 2003 6:57 PM
I have the aztek and am very happy with that. It was easy to learn and to clean, and seems to hold up reasonably well to abuse.

My best advice though would be if someone in your area will show you how to use an airbrush. In that case, I would purchase the same model they use, to save the learning curve.

Otherwise, the only way to teach yourself is to put a lot of paint through the nozzel. Try painting file folders, and then old models before stepping up to your current masterpiece!

Happy painting!

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Posted by Keyworth on Friday, March 21, 2003 10:57 PM
I have several models of Azteec that I'm satisfied with. I also have an old Binks Wren mocel A that I still use for general detail and broad surfaces. Stick with the brands you are familiar with, since your circumstances don't permit testing a variety of brushes. Good luck with your search. -Ed
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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, April 19, 2003 7:14 AM
Check Dixie Art and Airbrush Supplies for good online prices. WWW.dixieart.com/.
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Posted by Wingman_kz on Saturday, April 19, 2003 8:53 AM
I have an Aztec and while it's ok, I have a feeling one of the other brands may be a little more flexible. They may also have a little steeper learning curve though. One problem I have with mine is that sometimes you really have to tighten the nozzle to keep it from leaking air and paint from behind the nozzle and occasionally the needle will stick even though I try to be very thorough when I clean it. I do like the fact that you can use it as a single action or double action brush and it wasn't expensive. Maybe I'm not fine tuning the adjustments closely enough but there does seem to be too much of a gap between nozzle sizes sometimes. Or maybe it's just me. I don't have that much experience with airbrushing. I wish I would have had the chance to try different types before I bought one.

            

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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, April 19, 2003 10:57 AM
I have a Paasche VL and am very happy with it. Does a great job, well built, no troubles, etc, etc, etc. Very versatile sice I have all three needle/tip combinations. I just ordered a Badger 100G because I want to try working with a gravity feed brush rather than siphon. It should be here in a couple of weeks.

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Posted by MikeV on Saturday, April 19, 2003 12:05 PM
Lito,

As a T-shirt airbrush artist I have some experience with airbrushes so I hope I can be of help. Big Smile [:D]

The Iwatas are great airbrushes but they are expensive for replacement tips and needles. There are several well-made airbrushes out there depending on what you want in an airbrush. I feel the best all-around airbrush is probably the Thayer & Chandler (Badger) Omni line. My second choice would be the Vega 2000 also made by T&C (Badger).

Some people like the Paasche VL (I don't), others like the Badger Crescendo, and Anthem models.

The choice is yours and holding them is the best way to see what feels best to you. I had a Paasche VL to start with and they are big, bulky and unbalanced in my opinion. I bought a Thayer & Chandler Vega 2000 and noticed a huge difference right away and started painting better on my T-shirt work.

In regards to buying at Michael's art supply, I would'nt buy anything from them unless you have no other choice.
They are high priced, and the people working there are clueless as to what an airbrush is. Sad [:(]

My recommendation is to shop online or on the phone with either Dixie Art in New Orleans, or Bear Air in MA.

Here are their web addresses:

dixieart.com

bearair.com

Let me know if you have any further questions if I can help. Smile [:)]

Mike

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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, April 19, 2003 12:08 PM
i still say get iwata casue they are the best
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Posted by MikeV on Saturday, April 19, 2003 12:21 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by unnamedplayer

i still say get iwata casue they are the best


The best? That is a relative term my friend. Big Smile [:D]

They are great no doubt but there are others just as good.

We are painting plastic models here and an airbrush like the Iwata Micron or Sotar 20/20 is not necessary unless you want to freehand noseart with it. Wink [;)]

Any of the above named airbrushes in this thread are more than adequate for this hobby and in the hands of someone experienced you could not tell the difference.

Mike

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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, April 19, 2003 5:02 PM
in So. Cal, Micheals is an arts & crafts store. Almost every week they put a coupon in the LA Times for 40% any single item. You can use it on anything!! Even your $100+ airbrush!! www.michaels.com
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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, April 19, 2003 6:18 PM
I have a Badger 150, Badger Cresendo, and a Thayer and Chandler Vega 2000 all siphon feeded Airbrushes.
I also have a Holbein Homhi Y3 gravity feeded airbrush for detailing.
If must choose one of the Siphon feeded airbrushes I would choose the Thayer and Chandler, this one gives the best spray patern without a lot of exercise.

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Posted by MikeV on Saturday, April 19, 2003 6:33 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by MBiE

I have a Badger 150, Badger Cresendo, and a Thayer and Chandler Vega 2000 all siphon feeded Airbrushes.


Eric,

Is your Vega 2000 one of the newer design models or one of the original Vega's? Just curious as I have heard the new Vega's are not quite as good as the originals.

I have one of the original Vega 2000's that I use for T-shirts and I have a Vega 1000 which is the same airbrush except that it is a top feed airbrush with a built-in color cup. I use the Vega 1000 for models.

Mike

Wisdom is the right use of knowledge. To know is not to be wise. Many men know a great deal, and are all the greater fools for it. There is no fool so great a fool as a knowing fool. But to know how to use knowledge is to have wisdom. " Charles Spurgeon
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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, April 19, 2003 7:35 PM
lito.sf,

Still confused after having read this thread so far? Well, you should be!

For, you see, you've asked a question that CANNOT be answered in a single or unanimous manner. If it could, then there wouldn't be so many brands selling on the market.

So, let me give you my piece of advise here. Think about it:

1. Before you decide what's best for you, go out and get as many specs sheets as you can and then make your personal study and comparison. The net is a great help on this as well.

2. Then study some more and if you need further info feel free to ask your way around, but do ask about specifications, not about brands... Asking about brands will get you nowhere...

3. Always keep in mind that there is NO ABSOLUTE "best" and, also, that the best airbrush you can get is the one that your money can buy.

4. Eventually, after having done as said above, you'll come up with 3 or 4 candidates. Then (and only then) will be the proper time for you to go to the store. Ask the dealer to show the said airbrushes to you, and sense the way each one of them "behaves" when in your hand. Then, all of the sudden, in a pretty strange way at that, ...you'll know. Suddenly, your choice will be more than obvious... Maybe, this has to do with the fact that an airbrush is not just a modeler's tool. It's rather a modeler's companion in his/her hobby. I still get this feeling when I paint using my 10 years old Olympos HP-101...

Happy hunting...
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Posted by MikeV on Saturday, April 19, 2003 8:10 PM
George,

Good advice my friend. I agree completely. Approve [^]

The problem is that there are very few places that have more than one brand of airbrush to choose from unless you live near a store like Coast Airbrush in Anaheim, CA or Dixie Art in New Orleans that carry at least 4 brands and several models of each brand. Most people starting out go to a place like Michael's or another art store in their area that carries only one brand or maybe two if you are lucky and the people working there usually couldn't tell you the difference in a single-action vs a double action model.

Mike

Wisdom is the right use of knowledge. To know is not to be wise. Many men know a great deal, and are all the greater fools for it. There is no fool so great a fool as a knowing fool. But to know how to use knowledge is to have wisdom. " Charles Spurgeon
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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, April 19, 2003 11:49 PM
I have to agree with some of the folks out there that say there probably is no one best solution. I was in your shoes last year, just getting into this hobby myself. I went with the Iwata Eclipse and I absolutely love it. It has a really nice weight and feels very solid in my hands. Best of all for me at least, there is only one needle size, no changing between 3 different needles. It has been great and I am glad I made the purchase. The only thing is, I don't see a lot of local places carrying Iwata parts so make sure you order some extra needles and a nozzle or two, I see more Badger and Paasche pieces than anything else, and from what I hear, they both make excellent equipment as well.

I will agree with the recommendation for Dixies Art, they have always been quick to ship, and they offer FREE shipping on any purchases over $45. That said, also make sure you find yourself a decnt compressor as well.

Hope that helps, good luck!
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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, April 20, 2003 5:14 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by MikeV
...The problem is that there are very few places that have more than one brand of airbrush to choose from unless you live near a store like Coast Airbrush in Anaheim, CA or Dixie Art in New Orleans that carry at least 4 brands and several models of each brand....

Well, by saying <store> in my previous post, I didn't mean <a single store>, but rather <going shopping>, although, here in Athens Greece there are many hobby shops that may stock as many as 4 or 5 brands of airbrushes....
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Posted by MikeV on Sunday, April 20, 2003 11:43 AM
George,

It sounds like you have some good stores there in Greece.

I live in the San Francisco Bay area and the only stores in my area carry Paasche or Badger with a limited selection of each.

It all depends on your location I guess.

Mike

Wisdom is the right use of knowledge. To know is not to be wise. Many men know a great deal, and are all the greater fools for it. There is no fool so great a fool as a knowing fool. But to know how to use knowledge is to have wisdom. " Charles Spurgeon
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Posted by lito.sf on Sunday, April 20, 2003 4:46 PM
Thanks a lot guys for helping me out here, and the result was that I´ve already ordered my airbrush from dixieart: Iwata eclipse bs, I hope I like it, I´ve ordered also an extra needle and nozle, is it enough? do needles damage easily ? How long do they last?
Anyway i´m looking forward to get it in my hands, living in Portugal means wainting a couple of weeks at leastDisapprove [V]
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Posted by MikeV on Sunday, April 20, 2003 7:34 PM
Lito,

If you are careful with the needle and tip in that Iwata it should last quite a long time. Just don't push the needle up into the tip too hard when you reassemble it after cleaning. Push it softly until it is seated into the tip fully and then tighten the needle chuck. I would guess the original needle and tip will last possibly a few years if cared for, maybe longer. Smile [:)]

Mike

Wisdom is the right use of knowledge. To know is not to be wise. Many men know a great deal, and are all the greater fools for it. There is no fool so great a fool as a knowing fool. But to know how to use knowledge is to have wisdom. " Charles Spurgeon
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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, April 20, 2003 7:50 PM
lito.sf,

I'm sure you'll enjoy your brand new airbrush and -in time- you'll be able to get the best out of it...

However, you should bear in mind that double action airbrushes are somehow "tricky" tools in the hands of a newbie, since they usually require a lot of practice in handling them so as for one to reach to their full potentials... So, grab yourself a lot of styrene sheets and ...on with the show!!! Smile [:)]
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Posted by MikeV on Sunday, April 20, 2003 8:49 PM
Good advice George.

Lito.sf,

Just remember that with a double-action airbrush you ALWAYS, ALWAYS, ALWAYS, keep the trigger pushed all the way down for air and then pull back the trigger a little at a time to get the desired amount of paint flowing. With an airbrush like the Eclipse, which is a copy of the Vega 2000 design and was designed for T-shirt artists, it will blast a huge amount of paint if the trigger is pulled back all the way. Practice as George mentioned and you will get the hang of it in a short time. Wink [;)]

Mike

Wisdom is the right use of knowledge. To know is not to be wise. Many men know a great deal, and are all the greater fools for it. There is no fool so great a fool as a knowing fool. But to know how to use knowledge is to have wisdom. " Charles Spurgeon
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