Tamiya Acrylics still not on the shelves

M9130

How do the MM acrylics compare?  Do they cover well?

I just sprayed MM "Interior black" this week.  I am a rookie with Air Brushing but it sprayed fine.  Coerage was good and it looks nice.  It was a pretty small area but I had no issues compared to spraying Tam Arcylics.

I thinned using Tamiya Thinner, but the paint was already pretty thin.  Nothing scientific with thinning, just eyeball till it looks right.

I don't like the bottles and metal caps, but overall I was happy with the results.

I am probably gonna pick up some MM light gull gray and I'll try that in a few weeks when I am ready for it.

Good Luck

John

If I give up and start to go model master acrylics, will isopropyl be a viable thinner?

Has been so far for me...

To the fella asking about the X-20 thinner. It may not be that particular thinner that they have a problem with, it may be the yellow cap Lacquer thinner. To be clear, i'm just speculating here. I'm sure the supply problems from Japan on bottles, ect are very real as could be the label issue. The importation "powers that be" might have finally figured out that Tamiya Acrylics aren't actually acrylics but a Lacquer paint that happens to be water soluble. It's pretty common knowledge in modeling circles that Tamiya paint airbrushes OK when thinned with water/alcohol or their own acrylic thinner but they spray AWESOME when thinned with lacquer thinner... It's like a whole different paint (basically is)... I base coat most of my models with Tamiya thinned with lacquer thinner and it provides a smooth hard shell that does not grain or dust up like it does when used as an acrylic.

Just my 2 cents... take it as that. :^)

K-dawg

It's like a whole different paint (basically is)... I base coat most of my models with Tamiya thinned with lacquer thinner and it provides a smooth hard shell that does not grain or dust up like it does when used as an acrylic.

Just my 2 cents... take it as that. :^)

That is really interesting.  I have notices that the Tam Flat colors do in fact "dust up"  That is a great way of describing it.

The finished color is great, but the surface finish is a leaves a little to be desired.  I chalked it up to my lack of air brush experience or becuase it was a flat color that I was spraying.  I might have to try thinning with a lacquer.

Later this month, I will be paining an aircraft with MM gull gray, so I can have a better comparison.

John

I have Lacquer Thinner in a container where the Thinner for Acryl comes in. Only that I wrote with a Sharpie on the top LT to identify it. After many uses and small spills, my Sharpie markings were almost gone. As a result, I thinned a brand new jar of Light Ghost Gray Acryl with LT. It was the smell that gave my mistake away. It did worked with no adverse reaction. My point being, just because Tamiya Acrylics work with LT, doesn't necessarily means that all of a sudden is a Lacquer paint disguised for years as Acrylic. The dusty effects has to do more with working pressure and distance from the subject being sprayed than thinning agents alchemy. Just my 2 cents as well.

El Taino, You're probably right, I'm not a chemist so I don't know for sure. I wish I could find the article that I read a couple of years ago that explained all of it in VERY detailed scientific terms. In a nutshell the article said that it was NOT a vinyl acrylic like Vallejo or Life color but rather a hybrid of sorts.

I'll see if I can dig the article up. 

Kenneth

El Taino

My point being, just because Tamiya Acrylics work with LT, doesn't necessarily means that all of a sudden is a Lacquer paint disguised for years as Acrylic. The dusty effects has to do more with working pressure and distance from the subject being sprayed than thinning agents alchemy. Just my 2 cents as well.

From what I understand, Tamiya's are labeled an "acrylic lacquer", whatever that means! And I know for a fact they label their rattlecans as "synthetic lacquer".

Re: the dusting, I'm very certain that environment plays a role, too. I LOVE the way Tamiya paints airbrush, but this summer they've given me nothing but headaches. Every flat paint has dusted to a comical degree, no matter how thin I go, how close I get, or how I adjust the PSI. I think it's just too friggin' hot (garage is usually hovering around 90-95 degrees when I paint right now) and the atomized paint is cooking. 

DoogsATX

 

El Taino:

 

My point being, just because Tamiya Acrylics work with LT, doesn't necessarily means that all of a sudden is a Lacquer paint disguised for years as Acrylic. The dusty effects has to do more with working pressure and distance from the subject being sprayed than thinning agents alchemy. Just my 2 cents as well.

 

 

From what I understand, Tamiya's are labeled an "acrylic lacquer", whatever that means! And I know for a fact they label their rattlecans as "synthetic lacquer".

Re: the dusting, I'm very certain that environment plays a role, too. I LOVE the way Tamiya paints airbrush, but this summer they've given me nothing but headaches. Every flat paint has dusted to a comical degree, no matter how thin I go, how close I get, or how I adjust the PSI. I think it's just too friggin' hot (garage is usually hovering around 90-95 degrees when I paint right now) and the atomized paint is cooking. 

I hear you about the weather Doogs, I paint usually in the morning and this season here in MN has been hectic. I had to postpone a few builds including the 1/350 USS Nimitz because it is too big to paint indoors and humidity is terrible in my garage. One can even see the garage floor getting moist.

About the acrylic lacquer, my new XF-71 has on the label Isopropanol + Glycol Ethers. Don't know if Isopropanol is present in the MM Acryl, but the label does mention Glycol Ethers as well. I have used Tamiya sprays once or twice during this year, I'm not really familiar with their spray line (Tamiya).

Cheers!

DoogsATX

 

 

 

From what I understand, Tamiya's are labeled an "acrylic lacquer", whatever that means! And I know for a fact they label their rattlecans as "synthetic lacquer".

Whilst it's true that the spray cans are labelled "Synthetic Lacquer", the bottled acrylics have never been labelled "Acrylic Lacquer".

When you get up to those temperatures in an enclosed environment with low humidity, it would be hard to avoid "dusting".

My ebay orders for Flat Black and Flat White arrived yesterday. Woo hoo!

REgarding x-20, I'm now making my own.  70% isoprpyl and a small shot of acrylic retarder in an old x-20 bottle.  Works like the real thing.  Necessity is the mother of invention.

M9130

How do the MM acrylics compare?  Do they cover well?

i been using MM acrylics with no problems. very thin from the bottle. only thing they lack is the color range. you will need to do a prime when using mm acrylics. masking tape will rip it right off your model. 

tamiya has more bite. without a prime the masking tape doesn't do anything. 

I keep hearing the lack of color range in the MM Acryl line. I know we all have different modeling needs but can't help wondering, which are those colors? For my WWII and modern jets I'm pretty well covered with Acryl. Could it be from store to store? My LHS has Acryl colors on top of the shelf because there are no slots available for them on the traditional shelf. Even those slots with a label 'RESERVED FOR FUTURE PRODUCTS' are filled with colors. German Luftwaffe colors even German uniform colors and others. Since Acryl and Polly S are both from Testors, maybe they leave certain colors out on purpose???

In my sea of Acryl colors, I  might sea a few lonely Polly S jar because most of the colors I need are right on the Acryl shelf.

randypandy831

 

M9130:

 

How do the MM acrylics compare?  Do they cover well?

 

 

 

i been using MM acrylics with no problems. very thin from the bottle. only thing they lack is the color range. you will need to do a prime when using mm acrylics. masking tape will rip it right off your model. 

tamiya has more bite. without a prime the masking tape doesn't do anything. 

That's a deal-killer for me right there. 

El Taino

I keep hearing the lack of color range in the MM Acryl line. I know we all have different modeling needs but can't help wondering, which are those colors? For my WWII and modern jets I'm pretty well covered with Acryl. Could it be from store to store? My LHS has Acryl colors on top of the shelf because there are no slots available for them on the traditional shelf. Even those slots with a label 'RESERVED FOR FUTURE PRODUCTS' are filled with colors. German Luftwaffe colors even German uniform colors and others. Since Acryl and Polly S are both from Testors, maybe they leave certain colors out on purpose???

In my sea of Acryl colors, I  might sea a few lonely Polly S jar because most of the colors I need are right on the Acryl shelf.

i do agree on the modern and luffwaffe. i with they would make more RAF in there acrylic line. even japanese. i was hearing they are going to discontinued polly scale? i know they make more raf in that line.