Topic title changed....A dispute resolved

what is that suppost to scary me............ I see the water dripping from your wings like cry baby's do.

You started it.

I wouldn't call him a troll.

Looks like you guys simply got your wires crossed a bit.

Newcomers should show respect for members that have been here longer, OTOH, members with lots of posts shouldn't think that they are superior to newcomers.

Just my 2 cents worths of thought.

QUOTE: Originally posted by Model Museum OTOH, members with lots of posts shouldn't think that they are superior to newcomers.

Nobody thinks they are superior here MM.
When I anwswer someone's question with a fact and they come back and insult me because they were too stubborn to investigate the facts before speaking, I would not call that acting superior.

Mike

I agree completely with model museum. i have nigh on 500 posts here, and yet there are snap-together members who are better than me at modeling by far. end the minor run in now if you guys would please... im sure everybody is interested in keeping the forum a nice friendly place.

there are people with1/5 of my nearly 1800 posts who can do so much better than I can...

Just a tip to newbies: Look it up in previous pages. There's almost always an answer.

Hi guys,

First of all I think we should respect each other here old-timers and newbies alike. We can always argue and may never agree on some points but I hope we just try to attack the topic/issue and not the person.

Come to think of it each side just wanted to offer help.

The number of posts has absolutely no bearing whatsoever on anybody's abilities as a modeler, painter, builder, or anything else. None, nada, zip, zero. They only indicate the number of posts a person has made on this forum. If the most experienced modeler in the world signed up on this forum today and made a post, he would only show one post. Does that mean that we should treat him as an inexperienced newbie? Most assuredly not. It is important to look at the content of a person's posts and judge their abilities by the advice they provide or the questions they ask.

That said, there are several people here whose advice I listen to and am very grateful for when it comes to painting and airbrushing. Mike is one of those people. He may not always be right, but I haven't seen him be wrong yet.

I couldn't care less which of the two was right or wrong.

MikeV tried to pull rank in order to proove his point and that, IMHO, was the wrong thing to do. Rather he should have asked the guy to verify his data as in his opinion he was wrong, rather than coming down on the guy like a ton or rectangular building things.

But enough of that, it is time to head to the store and big up a 1/24 Fire Engine kit.

Time to give it a rest folks and stick to friendly and useful discussions about modelling. The FSM forum lost a lot of very valuable members several months ago, many growing tired of some of the nonsense showing up in these forums. Fortunately, the powers-that-be (the moderators) recognized the problem and reorganized the forums and reiterated the rules. If everyone keeps things civil, mature, and about modelling, then there is no need for the moderators to step in as they did before or to even be asking the moderators for intervention.

As a side issue, the "odds-and-ends" forum seems to be filling up with many non-modelling posts. We should remember that the old "Off topic" forum was removed due to the very reasons mentioned above. Lets try to avoid any future problems.

Just my .

Jim

QUOTE: Fortunately, the powers-that-be (the moderators) recognized the problem and reorganized the forums and reiterated the rules.

Fortunately?????? That sure ain't the way I saw it happen. Nor do I recall the reason that most people left being the fact that topics were not modeling related.

But, you are right. Time to let it go.

QUOTE: Originally posted by Model Museum MikeV tried to pull rank in order to proove his point and that, IMHO, was the wrong thing to do.

My intent was not to "pull rank" I was simply pointing out that I am a veteran of these forums and not someone new to them. This guy has no information in his profile, a low post count and comes in here talking like he knows more than the rest of us and that to me spells troll.
If he would have used a little more thought before posting so matter-of-factly then I would not have answered in the way I did. I started out as an airbrush artist doing T-shirts and I know all about Createx Co. and their products. This guy tries to tell me that Createx and Auto Air are two different companies and I tried to correct him, which was futile because he knows more than we do. I am tired of these type of people on every forum that I go to.
The anonymity of the internet makes everyone an "expert" on these forums and I for one am tired of it. Adieu.

Mike

For one Fly Boy i did not come in here like i know it all the info was from the Automotive Paint Store here that carrys a lot of paints (NOT ONE COLOR FOR YOU FLY BOY) so i guess the issue is this line of paint is not the same as what you are use to.. Why its new can you read NEW or you to old to under stand that. But then again i bet you would run down the New Line of Clear Coat when it comes out ( Funny thing is that this clear coat has ben out for over 50yrs) just being refined for the automotive world.

Guys, please... can we put this to rest?

Do you like the word "flyboy" or something?
Maybe you are jealous because an aircraft model is more difficult to build than a car?
The majority of modelers on here are aircraft modelers so you are insulting the majority on this board with your derogatory statements.
I know it is the new formulation of Auto Air.
The old Auto Air had some problems and Createx reformulated it.
So what? I don't use it for modeling but I am considering trying it for airbrushing on real automobiles, motorcycles, helmets and snowboards, not plastic models.
From what I hear from those who paint for a living is that it still sucks compared to PPG and HOK uros.

Mike

Fly Boy is not disrespecting you or any one its a fraze.

But lets get back to this paint issue... One this is not about painting your bike or real 1:1 car or any thing other then a model. So lets look at the true issue. 90% of the model world is the young kids and young adults and they do not have the same cash flow as we do ok. So i would think its better to help support the hobby in for one the money that they would spend on getting this stuff when they can get 8oz for $5.75 and can do the same thing then what your High Dollar HOK or PPG stuff can ( I to do 1:1 cars but i use Dupont Hot Huges) So i know what it takes to spend a lot of money on paint.

All for the hobby but all i see in your last statement is that you want to not support the hobby in any way.. Or you are some spokesman for PPG and HOK that gets a kick back if they sell more...

You read about it and what it does on Metal but then you say you do not know what it would do on plastic so i guess you realy should not have made a statement on it then right.

QUOTE: Originally posted by SCH3 But lets get back to this paint issue... One this is not about painting your bike or real 1:1 car or any thing other then a model.

Let's try starting this over bro without any name calling and ad hominem attacks.

The whole debate stemmed from misinformation about Createx's Auto Ait paint in general not this hobby.
I mentioned Createx and you said that Auto Air was not made by Createx and that started this whole thing. I use MM Acryl myself as I do not build many car models.

QUOTE: So lets look at the true issue. 90% of the model world is the young kids and young adults and they do not have the same cash flow as we do ok. So i would think its better to help support the hobby in for one the money that they would spend on getting this stuff when they can get 8oz for $5.75 and can do the same thing then what your High Dollar HOK or PPG stuff can ( I to do 1:1 cars but i use Dupont Hot Huges) So i know what it takes to spend a lot of money on paint.

I agree. Actually Auto Air is $5.75 for 4 oz. I wish it were for 8 oz.
Places like Coast Airbrush in Anaheim, CA also sell small quantities of HOK so it is more affordable.

QUOTE: but all i see in your last statement is that you want to not support the hobby in any way..

I never said any such thing. I mearly stated that Auto Air is still not considered as good as uros to the pros out there. There are some who love it and others who think it has adhesion problems. It is all a matter of choice. I am not for or against either one Chas, I am just echoing the statements from the auto painters world.
My buddy Scooter has been painting cars for 40 years and he tried the new Auto Air on Harley tanks and said it was no better than the old Auto Air. I can't comment as I have yet to try it. Dixie Art sells the entire line.

QUOTE: Or you are some spokesman for PPG and HOK that gets a kick back if they sell more...

Haha. I wish! I have never used HOK or PPG for your information.
As I said earlier my experience is in the textile airbrushing field where I used Createx and Aqua-Flow paints exclusively. I am friends with some very well-known people in the industry and that is where I am basing my comments from.
I for one hope that Auto-Air is as good as they say and I hope it gets even better for the airbrusing industry in terms of real car useage. For modeling cars it might very well be a good choice because of it's low toxicity. The uro clears are the ones that are dangerous as I am sure you are aware.

Sorry this go off on a bad note as I have no ill-will towards you my friend.

Goodnight.

Mike

I agree Mike im sorry this got off hand.. I took the info from the auto paint shop here in town and the Dealer was here and he never said any thing about the Createx line but i did know a lot of people have used the Createx name for most of the Water Base paints. I do not know why of this but its came up before. I agree that the low VOCs is what we need to get away from and HOK is not supply'ed to every one in the US. Michigan is one of them we can not get the stuff here with out buying a Qurt or more. I have try'ed there stuff from a friend that uses HOK and PPG for his 1:1 car stuff.. but i perfer Dupont Hot Huges and Horizon color. But still the VOCs is real bad on this.
I hope the Clear comes out as good as this Paint did for this Test Part now i can not say how the metal flake and all that stuff is because i just was given that stuff today from the Dealer to try. So i can not say on this issue but what i have seen for a low buck good paint i would say this is right down the area that the younger people should look at.
I know the Tamyia paints and the Dupli and so on are still not good for the Health issues when spraying... I guess im trying to help out on the Health then most.. Now i know enuff to say the guys that build planes and ships and tanks use more water base then any thing then we ever did so i would turn to you in trying any Clear coat that would give if the same shine as what they could get with the URO shine. I have no idea what would but that would be up your way that i would look at some one that knows more on this.
Now would i change every thing over that i plan on building to use this stuff... Maybe not only to help some people out and show it how it looks compar to the new Hot Huges paints is all but i do like the Hot Huges and i use a mask and every thing for my jobs.

Good Night and no hard feeling on this end.
Keep the wings up right.

No paints are good for health, almost. I almost excluesivly use tamiya acrylics, and they work like a charm. I need to get some mm enamals for my flanker, but either way, 4 ounces is cheap.

beleive it or not but this Dealer show'ed us on film where a guy from the company Drank some of this stuff to show that its not bad for you.. I did see the film today but you still could not get me to drink it :)

When i said Tamiya i ment there Spray line Lacquers not the Acrylics. And i do not care for any enamuls but thats just me on that.

Well done, Mike and SCH3. I'm glad you managed to sort this out without it getting really very silly and pointless. Keep on modeling!

Lacquer tastes better to me, just my opinion...

{Disclaimer: this was a joke... please no one go drink the stuff to try and verify this)

MusicCity,

My apologies if I am in error as to the reasons for the changes, however they seemed to correspond to the time when there was an awful lot of non-modelling stuff appearing here. Perhaps I am making inaccurate conclusions. In any case, I actually prefer the new organization and guidelines. I was finding that the old forum was becoming the sounding board for far too many political, religious, and very off-topic discussions.

I frequent this forum to share and gain great modelling advice from a very diverse group of people from many countries. That's the beauty of it. We all enjoy this hobby (that's why we're here) and are fortunate to have such a great place in which to meet. I am glad that MikeV and SCH3 seem to have resolved their issue.

Let's move on and have fun.

Jim

Chas,

So have you used catalysed clear coat uros on models before?
I wouldn't think so as those are the most toxic paints out there and can enter the body through the eyes, nose, mouth and any other opening they find their way into. Nasty stuff, but they sure are beautiful when they are dry.

QUOTE: beleive it or not but this Dealer show'ed us on film where a guy from the company Drank some of this stuff to show that its not bad for you.. I did see the film today but you still could not get me to drink it :)

I wouldn't call that a very wise thing to do. Drinking it and inhaling it are two different things anyhow. I wonder what Styrene (Gip) would have to say about this?
He is an Industrial Hygentist and knows these things very well.
I am sure we will hear his opinion if he reads this.

Do you have any photos of things you have painted with the Dupont Hot Hues and Horizon colors? I am curious as to how they look? Are they uros?

Mike

Mike has posted many threads that have helped countless modelers, including myself. He is obviously of a mind to help others, to give rather than receive, is a direct staement to his character. He has patiently repeated advice to new/old members who are either not aware that they can topic search the forums, or are unwilling to do so. Regardless of any other consideration, this commands the respect and thanks due. I'm glad the parties involved can move forward, but I must say that animosity in any form has no place here.

I hope we don't loose guys like Mike, Music City, and the like due to unwarranted comments posted in the forums. We can all agree to disagree, but doing it tactfully and with dignity is the key to keeping the forums alive and well, for without the knowledgeable members contributions, this web site really has no purpose.

Steve

Thanks Steve.
Everyone here is valuable to this forum and even us "veterans" learn something daily from the good folks on this forum.
Sometimes we are just headstrong or get caught in a bad mood, or take things the wrong way and a dispute starts.
I appologize for doing that yesterday.
Chas and I are friends now I think.

Mike

Real glad to see this arguement resolved in a gentlemanly manner. I've followed this thread without butting in, but I feared we might have another Blackwolf situation. With Pixelater MIA, Saltydog going AWOL soon, and the loss of many other great members, the Forum can't afford to lose valued members like you Mike. Glad cool heads prevailed in the end .

Regards, Rick

Thanks for the comments Rick, they are always appreciated.

Well it's off to the dentist in about 45 minutes for a crown prep on a back molar.
I just love having my tooth grinded away at 9:00 am.
Now I'll be numb the rest of the afternoon. Where's that Canadian Mist whiskey in the cupboard?

Mike

QUOTE: Originally posted by MikeV Chas, So have you used catalysed clear coat uros on models before? I wouldn't think so as those are the most toxic paints out there and can enter the body through the eyes, nose, mouth and any other opening they find their way into. Nasty stuff, but they sure are beautiful when they are dry. QUOTE: beleive it or not but this Dealer show'ed us on film where a guy from the company Drank some of this stuff to show that its not bad for you.. I did see the film today but you still could not get me to drink it :) I wouldn't call that a very wise thing to do. Drinking it and inhaling it are two different things anyhow. I wonder what Styrene (Gip) would have to say about this? He is an Industrial Hygentist and knows these things very well. I am sure we will hear his opinion if he reads this. Do you have any photos of things you have painted with the Dupont Hot Hues and Horizon colors? I am curious as to how they look? Are they uros? Mike

Yes Mike i have used Automotive Acrylic Uro Color and Clears on models here is my link to my folder.
http://public.fotki.com/shawCustom/shaw_show_cars_for_2004/page2.html

The 33 Chevy is done in Hot Huges Red and the 41 Chop Top Willys is also done using Hot Huges Yellow over Organic Green Base.
On the first page the Blue 37 Ford that my Daughter is doing is done in Horizon Color its Shaw Blue (under her contract) over Silver base. Now I do take all pertection i can and so does my Daughter from this stuff. The Horizon Color comes in cans so its a little easyer on the health but not much.
I also see that you are Irish so am i.. Im what they call Black Irish and if any one knows history they can tell ya what that means. (no im not black its a slang name for people that had family in the first boats over from the old country)

Have a great day my Friend.

Also would like to appologize for yesterday to the board and members specialy Mike V.

Chas,

Very nice work buddy.
You are an Irishman too? Well that explains it then lad!
If we were talking in person we would probably have had a fist fight and then made up and bought another round.
You gotta love them Irish.

QUOTE: Originally posted by SCH3 Also would like to appologize for yesterday to the board and members specialy Mike V.

Same here my friend. I owe you a Guinness.

Be well my friend

Mike