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Badger Crescendo Fine Set - Questions
Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, July 26, 2007 1:39 PM

I recently got back into models again and would like to go airbush, because i hate the can attachment airbush thing. So i bought a $20 kit brush form hobby lobby to just try for the hell of it. It's a very ubber POS. Looking to get something for my needs

 

At $60 i enjoy the price. Will this brush be for me?

http://bearair.com/prodinfo.asp?number=100176

 

I'm  into car models.

Will this be suitable for both complete paint jobs? aswell as detail work?

Any thing else needed other then more color cups, I have a compressor.

What kind PSI range should I be in?

Are they a good brush? reliable and easy to get new pieces for if lost?

 

Looking for feedback 

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Posted by Bgrigg on Thursday, July 26, 2007 1:52 PM

The Crescendo is a fine airbrush, but it is primarily designed for textile paint, though with the fine needle it would certainly suffice! It IS capable of putting out more paint than you would think.

If I only modeled cars I would probably go for a single action AB like these two:

http://bearair.com/prodinfo.asp?number=100124

http://bearair.com/prodinfo.asp?number=100129

These are single action airbrushes and are a little easier to use. The 200-20 is an excellent choice for detail painting and is the one I have on my own wish list. I have two other ABs the Badger 100LG gravity fed and 150 siphon fed, which are the dual action versions of the 200 series. Hmmm, I guess numerically the 200 is the single action version of the 100/150 series!

Color cups and a bottle with the fast blast adapter would do just about anything your want. I have a few color cups, which means I can quickly change colos and keep working. I use acrylic paints which clean up easily and I just drop the dirty cups in Windex to soak while I continue working.

So long folks!

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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, July 26, 2007 2:18 PM

I'm incredibly new to airbrushing so this may be a stupid question.

 If you were in my situation. Which would you go with for the OVER ALL performance. Broadpainting but then usuable for some detail(I'm no skilled artist like you guys) 

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Posted by Bgrigg on Thursday, July 26, 2007 6:47 PM

I would go for the 200-20 with the medium needle. The single action is easy to use, while the PPS paint flow adjusting system will let you dial in from pencil lines to 2"

See this link for Dixie Art. It's the one at the bottom of the page. Brush, Bottle, Color Cup, Storage Bottle and Wrench for $49 + $9.95 shipping.

If you pump up the order to $60+ they eat the shipping.

I would buy an extra color cup #99500482 $6.85, 10' braided hose 99502011 $14.90 & 99122 Needle Lube $3.95 & a couple of extra needles 99500402 Medium $4.20 ea, and some spare Head Washers $1.50 ea.

Happy hunting! 

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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, July 27, 2007 12:29 AM

Placed my order just now. I skipped on color extra cups and the hose at the moment. I believe the hose I have now will fit it, if not I'll buy one at a local hobby shop as well as the cups.

 Thanks again for all the help and really cant wait to lay down some paint with i. I'm sure I'll have ton to learn but it has to look better then my current can jobs.

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Posted by Bgrigg on Friday, July 27, 2007 9:47 AM
Congratulations on your purchase. I'm sure it will bring you years of good service. I'm envious of your new AB!

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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, July 27, 2007 1:37 PM

Equipment - 10%

Skill - 90%

 Purchases will never make me as good as you guys with TALENT

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Posted by Bgrigg on Friday, July 27, 2007 1:49 PM

That ratio is certainly true, but you've invested in an excellent tool, which will aid you in achieving the talent you desire! It will give you decades of service, and I'm not kidding. I was gifted a Badger 150 that is well over 20 yrs old, and it works no differently than a brand new one.

People often look for a cheap way of getting an tool, and I'm not convinced that gets you the equipment required. If you amortize the cost of the airbrush over the years it can provide service, they end up being amongst the cheapest tool in your toolbox.

Knowledge doesn't necessarily equate TALENT, as my wall of shame proves! I have plenty of the former and not enough of the latter!

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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, July 27, 2007 2:48 PM

Okay...ready for the newber questions?

 

Have any specific websites or advice on how to take care of my airbrush?

Types of paint to use and why?

Clean ups?

Techniques?

Tips and Tricks?

 

I in the middle of searching the forums and web now but thought id just pop them out where 

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Posted by MikeV on Friday, July 27, 2007 3:58 PM
 Waste Land wrote:

Okay...ready for the newber questions?

 

Have any specific websites or advice on how to take care of my airbrush?

Types of paint to use and why?

Clean ups?

Techniques?

Tips and Tricks?

 

I in the middle of searching the forums and web now but thought id just pop them out where 

Search this forum and you can answer all those questions.

The collective knowledge here is pretty darn good, especially that bgrigg guy.

He is my mentor. Smile,Wink, & Grin [swg]Laugh [(-D]

Wisdom is the right use of knowledge. To know is not to be wise. Many men know a great deal, and are all the greater fools for it. There is no fool so great a fool as a knowing fool. But to know how to use knowledge is to have wisdom. " Charles Spurgeon
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Posted by Bgrigg on Friday, July 27, 2007 5:54 PM

Yeah, right, Mike! Big Smile [:D] I think that's the other way around!

Our very own MusicCity has some excellent articles on all those subjects on his web site. Have a look at his wonderful work and scroll down to his links on airbrushes, tips and techniques. A wonderful resource.

MikeV and MusicCity are the two people who I've learned all my "expertise" from. Bow [bow]

Now if I can only apply that knowledge!! Whistling [:-^]

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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, August 1, 2007 10:53 AM
Sad [:(] Called Dixie about my order since i had seen that it was shipped, and they are waiting ont he 200 to come in stock again at their store before it can be shipped out. I am very saddenned by this wait.
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Posted by Bgrigg on Wednesday, August 1, 2007 12:14 PM
Yeah that's not a lot of fun, OTOH being out of stock means it's a good mover, so it should give you some confidence you made the right decision!

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Posted by Screaminhelo on Friday, August 3, 2007 11:25 AM

I thought that I would jump in here and ask your opinion on the Badger 150.  I see that you have both the 150 and the 100LG Bgrigg.  I have been using an Aztec for TOO LONG!  I am sick and tired of the odd leaks this thing can get at times and the pain that it can actually be to really clean.

I have been looking at BearAir and see that I can get a 150 complete set for $65+s&h.  What are your thoughts on this?  I was considering the Crescendo until I read this thread but y'all have knocked that one out of the running.  I like the versitility of the 150 being able to use bottles or a cup, although, there does seem to be quite alot of people who recommend the 100 series.

 

Mac

I Didn't do it!!!

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Posted by Bgrigg on Friday, August 3, 2007 12:21 PM

The 150 is no more than a siphon fed 100. Same head, needle, air valve, handle etc. Only the main body is different. Being able to put a large container or a small color cup is very handy and the sight line down the 150 is superior to the 100LG, as it doesn't have a huge cup on top. Some people prefer the 100G for that very reason.

The 100 series is a gravity fed AB and therefore requires slighty less air pressure to atomize the paints, thereby it can do slightly finer details. Actually, it's not that it can do finer lines, it does them with less overspray, so the control is better. It also uses less paint as it doesn't have a siphon that requires additional paint. OTOH I find the 150 easier to clean, as the cups or bottles can be dealt with seperately. It's a tough decision, and one that I overcame by buying both!

It all comes down to what you need. If all you need is good solid coverage, with the occasional need for pencil thin lines, the 150 will be fine. If smoke ring camo is your thing, the 100G or LG might be a better choice.

In fact the Crescendo can do much the same as the 150, but it's more of a fire hose. You have to be careful not to "open it up" as you'll be amazed at the amount of paint it can put out!! 

So long folks!

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Posted by Screaminhelo on Saturday, August 4, 2007 7:57 AM

Hey, thanks for the info.  I may go ahead and get the 150 and pick up a 100 later on down the road (It is hard to pass up the complete set for $45 nearly new from a friend).  I am not really into WWII German A/C, so the overspray isn't really an issue for me.  As my AB skills improve though, that may change.  Besides, the 150 was my "ultimate airbrush" many moons ago.  Getting one will make me feel like I have finally grown up.

 

 

Mac

I Didn't do it!!!

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Posted by Bgrigg on Saturday, August 4, 2007 8:53 AM
$45 for a near new 150 set is a steal. He's a good friend. It's a great AB and I know you'll enjoy it!

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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, August 14, 2007 4:37 PM

Offically pissed....

 

Dixie has till Friday to atleast just shipp my order or I'm ditching them and taking my money else where. three weeks and they havent even shipped.

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Posted by Bgrigg on Tuesday, August 14, 2007 5:30 PM

Really? I don't know if you can blame them entirely. Out of stock is out of stock. They don't have much control over when their suppliers deliver. They're probably as unhappy as you are. You might want to give them a call and ask what's up so they can put pressure on Badger.

Just so you know I don't just talk about how good the 200-20 is, I put my money where my mouth is. I went ahead and ordered a 200-20 from Bear Air to flush out my collection. but it's just the brush, no wrench, bottles, color cup or box. I chose Bear Air instead of Dixie Art simply because I could only get the set from Dixie and didn't need the extra bits.

They had them in stock and it's on it's way to me. Sadly I'm in Canada and won't see it until the 20th.

 

So long folks!

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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, August 14, 2007 5:48 PM
Yeah, I've called Dixie, and they gave me a run around. So i even called Badger to ask if they had them in stock to supply their sellers and they had plenty.
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Posted by Bgrigg on Tuesday, August 14, 2007 7:42 PM
If that's the case, then cancel now and order from Bear Air. You'll need at least one color cup and one bottle with adapter. The box set from Dixie is a better deal when you need the bits and pieces.

So long folks!

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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, August 14, 2007 9:46 PM

 Bgrigg wrote:
If that's the case, then cancel now and order from Bear Air. You'll need at least one color cup and one bottle with adapter. The box set from Dixie is a better deal when you need the bits and pieces.

 Gonna give Dixie another chance tommorrow on the phone, if not. I'll have to go elsewhere. I hate too since its even more money in an already expensive start up hobby. So they get one more shot to give me a date of shipment

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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, August 15, 2007 12:25 PM

WONDERFULL NEWS!

 Dixie told me they called badger directly and had my airbrushshipped to me with all aprts so I wouldnt have to wait and is out for delivery at the moment. So I should come home to a new airbush :-)

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Posted by Bgrigg on Wednesday, August 15, 2007 1:17 PM

Excellent! That's the sort of service I would expect from Dixie Art. I know they got messed up pretty good from Hurricane Katrina, and it took quite a while to get back up to speed.

Mine's stuck in Customs and the delivery has already been changed from the 17th to the 20th. Angry [:(!]

So long folks!

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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, August 15, 2007 4:31 PM
 Bgrigg wrote:

Excellent! That's the sort of service I would expect from Dixie Art. I know they got messed up pretty good from Hurricane Katrina, and it took quite a while to get back up to speed.

Mine's stuck in Customs and the delivery has already been changed from the 17th to the 20th. Angry [:(!]

 

sorry to hear that....atleast you got all your gear still.....im having to buy brushes, paints, putties, glues, and everything else like crazy and its really adding up fast 

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Posted by Bgrigg on Wednesday, August 15, 2007 4:47 PM

LOL True enough.

It's very expensive to get all the supplies together, and there is always something else to buy. I need to buy a PE bender of some sort, and even the cheapest is too expensive! And I don't want the cheapest! I probably ended up spending close to a $1000 to get where I am today. Mind you I can paint just about any color and glue any two materials together. To bad you can't buy skill like you can paint!

 

 

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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, August 15, 2007 5:16 PM
 Bgrigg wrote:

LOL True enough.

It's very expensive to get all the supplies together, and there is always something else to buy. I need to buy a PE bender of some sort, and even the cheapest is too expensive! And I don't want the cheapest! I probably ended up spending close to a $1000 to get where I am today. Mind you I can paint just about any color and glue any two materials together. To bad you can't buy skill like you can paint!

 

 

 Tell me about it. For someone reason any hobby I get into I cant just like it. I have to go into it full force and buy and do it all. Been like that with all my hobbies. RCs, modeling, jetskis, gopeds, etc. 

 

I still put alot of time on my jetskis, and goped though from allt he races I attend(goped is best for quick transport, and i cant even geta  DUI on it :-)

 My RCs are for sell because of time it takes to get setup, load up, and get to a spot and play then come home and tear down and clean. 

I have plenty of RC planes. Dad is gonna start teaching me those when it cools down some. Once I learnt o fly the basics I'll prolly end up building one myself.

 

God, it never ends................I'll never have enough to move out at this rate!

 

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Posted by Bgrigg on Wednesday, August 15, 2007 8:18 PM

Yeah, I think there might be a few guys like that on the forums. Whistling [:-^]

Go big or go home, I always say!

So long folks!

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