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dullcote choice
Posted by M1abramsRules on Thursday, November 6, 2003 1:42 PM
I'm not too impressed with the gunze sangyo acrylic dullcote and want to switch to a diff. brand. who makes a good dullcote that will work good on humbrol and testors enamels?
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, November 6, 2003 2:11 PM
I use Testors Matt spray. Some thirty odd years ago my choice was my sisters hair spray. Wish I had one to see just what kind of finish it gave, as a 13 year old it looked great .

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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, November 6, 2003 2:26 PM
I use Testors acrylic dullcote. It works great, usually takes 1 or 2 light coats depending on the sheen you want. I spray it and it works great but it also brushes on very well, I usually brush it onto 1/72 scale fighters and you would never know.

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Posted by erush on Thursday, November 6, 2003 2:44 PM
I used to use Model Masters dulcoat and it works well, but since I've started using acrylics I decided to try Tamiys'a dull coat in Future and it works great. I mix it about 30% Tamiya flat with 70% future and it gives a great flat finish. No strong laquer fumes and easy clean up!

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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, November 6, 2003 7:25 PM
I use Testor's Dullcote Laqcuer #1160 and thin it down with lacquer thinner.

Glenn
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, November 6, 2003 10:15 PM
I use Citadel Matte Varnish straight from the can. Works great and dries fast. No worries with this stuff.

demono69
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Posted by maffen on Friday, November 7, 2003 8:08 AM
ok , but don't use revell matt cote ( it's so shiny you can use it for gloss cote Sad [:(])
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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, November 10, 2003 8:43 AM
i'm new to this dullcote, glosscote experience. but i do have a question to the person who started this thread.
what did you not like about the gunze dullcote? this is not an attack of any sort. i was just curious, since i have used the same gunze product. and it makes everything "flat." so i thought it did the job.
but actually this the first time i have encountered clear coats. and i haven't tried any other clear coats. so i don't know what other flat finishes there are.
i know that there is a difference with glosscoats though. since one is more shinier than the next. but flat cotes seems all the same to me. it has very little shine to it. even when light hits it.
if someone can teach me more about clear topcoats, i'll really appreciate that.
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Posted by J-Hulk on Monday, November 10, 2003 10:41 AM
Hi, folks! Smile [:)]
I use the Gunze H20 Flat Clear with my airbrush and their B-503 Flat/Matt Topcoat in the spray can with excellent results. These are both water-based "paints."
I love 'em!

I'm curious, M1: why are you unsatisfied with the Gunze flat finishing products? Not flat enough? I mostly use the H20 through an airbrush, and I've seen nothing flatter. Dead flat! I used to use Testor's Dullcote in the spray can years ago, and I was unsatisfied with the inconsistancy of that product (in the can, anyway). One time it'd be dead flat, and the next it would be a satin finish. Never could figure it out.

With the Gunze I'm using now, it's consistantly dead flat, every time!
~Brian
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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, November 12, 2003 11:59 AM
I generally use Testor's Dullcoat but I think any matte/flat medium will develop a sheen if applied too heavily.
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Posted by skrooby on Thursday, October 19, 2006 6:45 PM

Hi Eric,

I think I'll try your combination to use for my dull finishes. Is the mixture water-soluble? Would you dispose of it in the drain? Also, how long can you store it?

Thanks in advance,

Jeff

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Posted by Shellback on Friday, October 20, 2006 12:02 AM
I've used Tamiya Flat Base mixed with Tamiya clear and get a nice flat finish .
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Posted by smokinguns3 on Friday, October 20, 2006 12:23 AM

 53ryder wrote:
I use Testor's Dullcote Laqcuer #1160 and thin it down with lacquer thinner.

Glenn

Sign - Ditto [#ditto] And i love it gives a real nice dull flat look.

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Posted by skrooby on Friday, October 20, 2006 1:30 AM

Hi Shellback and SmokingGuns,

I've seen Testors' Dullcote in stores, but they it looked a bit yellowed and separated. Is that normal? Would mineral spirits work as thinner for Testor's Dullcote?

Thanks again,

Jeff

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Posted by smokinguns3 on Friday, October 20, 2006 12:54 PM
yellow on top kinda white on the bottom? If thats the Questions. Yes its normal just give it a shake.
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Posted by ajlafleche on Friday, October 20, 2006 1:54 PM
testor's Dullcote laquer, a bit of hardware store paint thinner and my airbrush and I'm good to go. I use this over enamels, oils and acrylics with no problem. Once shaken and sprayed, there' sno appereciable color shift on the model, even over white.

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Posted by KJ200 on Sunday, October 22, 2006 1:20 PM
I'm another Gunze Flat H20 flat fan.

If you want super flat, you an always add a few drops of Tamiya's X21 flat base, works a treat.

Karl

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Posted by Shellback on Sunday, October 22, 2006 4:27 PM
 skrooby wrote:

Hi Shellback and SmokingGuns,

I've seen Testors' Dullcote in stores, but they it looked a bit yellowed and separated. Is that normal? Would mineral spirits work as thinner for Testor's Dullcote?

Thanks again,

Jeff

Hi skrooby !Smile [:)] Looks like your question got answered . Usually the "flat " particles will settle to the bottom , so its a good idea to keep it stired  up every once in a while between spraying coats of it . I use Model Master thinner myself . Just my choice .

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Posted by eizzle on Wednesday, October 25, 2006 4:42 PM
I am going to hijack the thread for just a second (read fast) Big Smile [:D] Is polly scale flat coat mixed with a clear coat (future?) to make a flat coat, or can it be sprayed straight out of the bottle? I bought a couple bottles, but I noticed it looked much like the Tamiya Flat base, so I figured I would ask before I screwed up a perfectly good model!

Colin

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Posted by Mark Joyce on Wednesday, October 25, 2006 7:26 PM

 eizzle wrote:
I am going to hijack the thread for just a second (read fast) Big Smile [:D] Is polly scale flat coat mixed with a clear coat (future?) to make a flat coat, or can it be sprayed straight out of the bottle? I bought a couple bottles, but I noticed it looked much like the Tamiya Flat base, so I figured I would ask before I screwed up a perfectly good model!

Hi Colin,

I have airbrushed Pollyscale flat coat both straight from the bottle and by adding about 10% distilled water (which is recommended on the bottle), and both ways have worked fine. 

Mark

 

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Posted by eizzle on Thursday, October 26, 2006 6:44 PM
Cool, thank you. So how flat is it?

Colin

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Posted by Mark Joyce on Sunday, October 29, 2006 9:42 PM

Hi Colin,

 I apologize for not answering this question sooner but the last few days have been hectic and, to be honest, I forgot all about this topic.

 In answer to your question, either way I airbrush it (straight from the bottle or by adding 10% distilled water), the result is very flat.  If this is the look you want, then Pollyscale is your flat of choice.

HTH,

Mark

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Posted by eizzle on Monday, October 30, 2006 3:46 PM
Don't worry about forgeting Mark, I did to Big Smile [:D] Its good to know the info though, cause I wasn't really caring for how inconsitent my Future/Flat base was coming out. Some would be satin, others would be dead flat? Now I just got to get some distilled water!

Colin

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Posted by MikeV on Saturday, November 4, 2006 3:16 AM
I like Poly Scale flat the best followed by Acryl flat.

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Posted by tabascojunkie on Friday, November 24, 2006 9:11 PM
For those of you who use the Testors # 1160 Dullcote with lacquer thinner, about what ratio of each do you use?
Bruce
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Posted by Calbear96 on Saturday, November 25, 2006 5:56 PM

TabascoJunkie, I always use Testors Dullcote laquer 1160- ratios are 3 parts 1160, to 1 part thinner.

 Bill

 

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Posted by jhande on Saturday, November 25, 2006 7:02 PM

Ok ok I can't take it anymore. You guys finally broke me!  Propeller [8-]

Now remember - I only work on car models and strive for a deep lustrous finish.

I have to ask... Why spray a dullcote?

Don't you guys use flat paints to begin with? 

I think I might know the answer, but I would like to know for sure.

Is it in part so you can seal in the decals, and smooth out the surface from the camouflage taping effects?

Dunce [D)]

Sorry for side tracking the post.

 

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Posted by MikeV on Saturday, November 25, 2006 9:01 PM

Jim,

We spray flat colors then when dry we spray on Future for a gloss coat for the decals to adhere to well. Decals over flat coats silver badly.

When the decals have cured we spray another gloss coat over them to seal them and when dry we apply our washes, panel line highlighting, etc.

Then when it is thouroughly dry we spray flat coat over it to make it dull again. Wink [;)]

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Posted by jhande on Saturday, November 25, 2006 9:35 PM

Thank you Mike.  Wink [;)]

Gee, a pretty big process for those darn old decals.

I wonder why with all the knowledge and technology we have these days, they haven't come up with something. Better decal adhesive and/or paper that would work with flat paint? Or an additive for the flat paint that would prevent the decals from silvering. I mean we have the decal softening and leveling agents.

What the heck! Whistling [:-^]

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Posted by ajlafleche on Sunday, November 26, 2006 9:12 AM
 jhande wrote:

Thank you Mike.  Wink [;)]

Gee, a pretty big process for those darn old decals.

I wonder why with all the knowledge and technology we have these days, they haven't come up with something. Better decal adhesive and/or paper that would work with flat paint?

They have, dry transfers.

Or an additive for the flat paint that would prevent the decals from silvering. I mean we have the decal softening and leveling agents.

What the heck! Whistling [:-^]

The nature of flat paint, essentially a rough surface, is what creates silvering. Counless tiny air pockets are trapped under the carrier film and refract light differently than the carrier.

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