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MikeV, JHulk, Tenax 7 VS. Tamiya Extra Thin Cement

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MikeV, JHulk, Tenax 7 VS. Tamiya Extra Thin Cement
Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, April 24, 2004 1:59 PM
Ok guys you gotta help me figure this out, as it's driving me crazy!!! I have enough cement around the house to kill someone anyway, which is why I'm a bit cautious about running out and buying the Tenax 7, but some people seem to swear by it. Mike, I thought it might help if you could run off the list of ingredients to compare the Tamiya Cement to see if they are the same. JHulk, I need you to translate the ingredients in the Tamiya Cement as I can't find it anywhere, and can't read japanese. Thanks guys for your time and help.....and if anyone else knows the differences or swears by one or the other, please feel free to chime in!!! Thanks again!!
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Posted by Woody on Saturday, April 24, 2004 2:31 PM
Of the two you listed I like Tenax but I use Ambroid mainly. I feel the Tenax is a slightly more diluted product so it isn't as touchy about how quickly it welds a joint. If my pieces fit together nicely I use the Ambroid. My friend Andy used the Tenax for many years and I gave him a bottle of the Ambroid to try out and he has made the switch as well. It has a stronger smell because it has a higher concentration of the active ingredient M.E.K. . By the way your comparison should take into account concentration of the solvent as that has a lot to do with the performance of the cement.

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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, April 24, 2004 2:45 PM
I suppose the main reason I ask is to find a cement that is as durable and strong as possible. At this time I use Plasti-Zap for basic pieces, and for fuselages I use Plasti-Zap to tack it down, and then the Tamiya Thin Cement to help fill in the seems, because it makes the plastic soft, and pushes it outward of the joint. I wanted to make sure that it is a strong enough joint......and if not what is the strongest? Unfortunately, my research generally just turns up a lot of propoganda, and not really any answers.
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Posted by MikeV on Saturday, April 24, 2004 4:13 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by kik36

Mike, I thought it might help if you could run off the list of ingredients to compare the Tamiya Cement to see if they are the same.


Huh? Confused [%-)]

I don't have any Tamiya cement and I have never tried it.
Have you been in those Vicodin's again? Whistling [:-^] Wink [;)]

Mike

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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, April 24, 2004 6:32 PM
I meant off of your Tenax bottle.......The Tamiya cement I wanted to see if Jhulk could translate it, 'cause it's in Japanese!!! Otherwise I'd read the Tamiya cement myself!!! Tongue [:P]Wink [;)]
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Posted by MikeV on Saturday, April 24, 2004 7:41 PM
Heath,

The Tenax 7R lists no ingredients on the bottle.

Mike

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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, April 24, 2004 10:11 PM
Damn!!!! I guess I'll just have to break down and get the Tenax, and see what the hell it does for myself!!! LOL I guess that is the only thing I can do in my quest to find the ultimate bonds and joints!!!!! Onward.....to the LHS!!!! Oh damn, they don't stock it. Never mind, I'll get it on my next Micro Mark order.
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Posted by MikeV on Saturday, April 24, 2004 10:28 PM
Heath,

They don't have Tenax in stock? What kind of a rundown store is that anyway? Big Smile [:D]
There is a Hobby Town USA in San Marcos, CA but that is a little far for you to drive isn't it?

This place sells the Tenax kit like I have for only $12.50 which includes the Tenax, a Touch-N-Flow applicator, filler bottle and some Micro Brushes.
http://www.nscalesupply.com/TEN/TEN.html

Mike

Wisdom is the right use of knowledge. To know is not to be wise. Many men know a great deal, and are all the greater fools for it. There is no fool so great a fool as a knowing fool. But to know how to use knowledge is to have wisdom. " Charles Spurgeon
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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, April 24, 2004 10:54 PM
Mike, you crack me up!! I live in San Marcos......that's the LHS I'm always complaining about!!! The people there just aren't right. I call my location "San Diego", cause it's in San Diego County, and no one knows where San Marcos is. Anywho, thanks for the link buddy that's a great deal!!!
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Posted by MikeV on Saturday, April 24, 2004 11:55 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by kik36

Mike, you crack me up!! I live in San Marcos......that's the LHS I'm always complaining about!!!


My bad! Black Eye [B)] Wink [;)]

There's a HobbyTown USA in Palm Desert and another in Santa Clarita. Laugh [(-D]

QUOTE: The people there just aren't right. I call my location "San Diego", cause it's in San Diego County, and no one knows where San Marcos is.


I do after looking at an online map. Tongue [:P]

QUOTE: Anywho, thanks for the link buddy that's a great deal!!!


Glad I could help my friend.
I love Tenax myself and may try others sometime, but I see no reason to try them since I like Tenax so well.

Mike

Wisdom is the right use of knowledge. To know is not to be wise. Many men know a great deal, and are all the greater fools for it. There is no fool so great a fool as a knowing fool. But to know how to use knowledge is to have wisdom. " Charles Spurgeon
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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, April 25, 2004 2:48 AM
I noticed Woodys first reply, he mentioned something called MEK as the active ingredience in the glue.
Well I thought it would be a good idea to tell people what this is. MEK is Methyl-Ethyl-Ketone and it is HIGHLY toxic, it has a very small molecular structure wich means it can penetrate allmost anything like skin and latex gloves, it is believed to cause cancer but that is not for sure, so be careful with it.
Used in small amounts and with proper ventilation its no problem.
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Posted by rjkplasticmod on Sunday, April 25, 2004 9:33 AM
I've used Tanax 7 for sveral years and never had a problem with it. Never had a seam open up after glueing. I don't use the touch & flow applicator, mine was more of a touch & clog. I apply it with a #0 or 1 pointed brush and let capillary action run it down the seam. Never used the Testors extra thin, but i do use their regular liquid glue for attaching parts like cockpit side walls, where Tenax won't work.
RICK At My Age, I've Seen It All, Done It All, But I Don't Remember It All...
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Posted by chopperfan on Sunday, April 25, 2004 10:45 AM
I'm with Mike and Rick. At the present I see no reason to try anything else.
Ever since I was first turned onto Tenax, I've been in love with it.

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Posted by J-Hulk on Sunday, April 25, 2004 12:01 PM
Howdy, Heath!
Just saw this post.
I've never used Tamiya's extra thin cement, just the regular "TAMIYA CEMENT."
Translation of ingredients (from TAMIYA CEMENT):

Synthetic Resin (11%)
Styrene Resin Organic Solvent (89%)
Cyclohexene
Butyl Acetate
Acetone

Man, the writing on that bottle is tiny!

I don't know if the ingredients are the same for the Tamiya Extra Thin Cement or not. I'll check out a bottle at the LHS and get back to ya.
~Brian
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Posted by therriman on Sunday, April 25, 2004 12:31 PM
I don't know about the Tamiya cement, but I use Zap-a-Gap. I bought some Tenex 7 and tried it a couple of times, and haven't used it since. I'm not happy with it at all.

However if you e-mail your address I'll send you my bottle. It's still full.
Tim H. "If your alone and you meet a Zero, run like hell. Your outnumbered" Capt Joe Foss, Guadalcanal 1942 Real Trucks have 18 wheels. Anything less is just a Toy! I am in shape. Hey, Round is a shape! Reality is a concept not yet proven.
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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, April 25, 2004 4:47 PM
I have been using Tenax7 for quite some timeApprove [^] Then I had to order something from Plastruct and when doing so I ordered their Bondene as I thought it would be the best thing for their material. Since receiving it I have tried it in place of Tenax7 and found it to be a stronger formula so you have to be careful how much you useCool [8D] It seems to set quicker with a stronger bondSmile [:)] To apply it I also use capillary action but I apply it with a drafting pen which seems easier to control than a brush along a seam with no over ride to either side of the seamBig Smile [:D]

Just thought I would add myMy 2 cents [2c]Big Smile [:D]

Richard
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Posted by J-Hulk on Monday, April 26, 2004 8:51 AM
As a follow-up to my previous post, I picked up a bottle of Tamiya Extra Thin Cement today. The ingredients are a little different than their regular cement.

Here's the translation from the bottle of Extra Thin:

Organic Solvent 100%
Butyl Acetate
Acetone

There ya go!

Hope this helps.
~Brian
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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, April 26, 2004 8:17 PM
LOL Thanks a bunch JHulk!!! I had hoped that I could find the ingeredients to the Tenax to compare, but so far haven't had much luck!! Off to search some more....
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Posted by Dwight Ta-ala on Monday, April 26, 2004 11:26 PM
Hey guys,

I have been using Tamiya Cement and Tamiya Extra Thin Cement and these are very good stuff.

The Tamiya Cement (regular one) is good for parts where the glueing areas are large or the parts to be joined are really heavy. This is a good gap filler, too.

The Tamiya Extra Thin Cement is very good for very small parts. The thin cement is also more fluid and excess cement around parts do not leave obvious marks. The thin cement is very ideal for A/C because A/C's tend to have very thin and small parts to join. Also joints in A/C are (more often than not) required to be smooth and seamless. The Tamiya Extra Thin Cement comes with a soft and very thin applicator brush.

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Posted by saltydog on Tuesday, April 27, 2004 8:21 PM
doesnt touch-n-flow kinda sound dirty or somethin'? maybe thats just me. i use ambroid and tenax 7 and like both. taste like crap, but welds and holds well. later.
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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, April 28, 2004 12:51 PM
J-Hulk you read Japanese???
You could make a lot of business translating the Tamiya kits!!!
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Posted by MusicCity on Wednesday, April 28, 2004 9:08 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by saltydog
taste like crap, but welds and holds well. later.

Chris, how many times do I have to tell you .... GLUE with the Tenax, DRINK the Budweiser. NOT the other way around!
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Posted by J-Hulk on Thursday, April 29, 2004 10:16 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by ShermanFirefly

J-Hulk you read Japanese???


All day long! (Literally)

QUOTE: You could make a lot of business translating the Tamiya kits!!!


That's what I keep trying to tell 'em!
Actually, I am working with a local model manufacturer, the name of which shall go unmentioned...for now!Wink [;)]
~Brian
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