Weekend Moderator.

This conversation no longer seems productive so it's closed.

If you have concerns about the Forum, please contact me via PM.

Regards, Aaron

Hans von Hammer

Medicman71:

SteveM:

Hans, you continue to "apply" for the position of weekend moderator with your Hall Monitor comments like this one...

Hans von Hammer:

Wow..

Y'all gonna carry the O& E crap over here too?

I think we ALL saw what FSM's solution was...

Case closed, n'est pas?

 

...yet your posts still contain comments like this...

Hans von Hammer:

PS. Get up and quit falling on your sword, Karl.. Yer bleedin' all over the Future I used on the floor..

 

I ain't defending Doog, but your quest for no arguing reads as arguing.

 

Nuff said

 

The "sword" comment was a joke...  'Bout Future.. Doog was just the set-up... Modeling-related post.. Per the NEW and IMPROVED forum...

  

Don't know about the "Improved" part.

Medicman71

SteveM:

Hans, you continue to "apply" for the position of weekend moderator with your Hall Monitor comments like this one...

Hans von Hammer:

Wow..

Y'all gonna carry the O& E crap over here too?

I think we ALL saw what FSM's solution was...

Case closed, n'est pas?

 

...yet your posts still contain comments like this...

Hans von Hammer:

PS. Get up and quit falling on your sword, Karl.. Yer bleedin' all over the Future I used on the floor..

 

I ain't defending Doog, but your quest for no arguing reads as arguing.

 

Nuff said

The "sword" comment was a joke...  'Bout Future.. Doog was just the set-up... Modeling-related post.. Per the NEW and IMPROVED forum...

...but your quest for no arguing reads as arguing.

No it doesn't...

Whether we agree with the decision or not is irrelevant.  What's done is done.

This should be an object lesson to all of us.  I personally, plead guilty to carrying on too much of the silliness and for that I offer my apologies.  This is after all, FSM's forum.  If they want to nuke every one of them, it's up to them.

We're losing sight of the big picture.  This is primarily a model site, right?  Let's cut all the superfluous chit-chat and stick with the reasons that brought us all here.

I'm not cancelling my subscription (renewed it a couple months ago) and as long as FSM will allow it, I'll continue to stay here. 

SteveM

Hans, you continue to "apply" for the position of weekend moderator with your Hall Monitor comments like this one...

Hans von Hammer:

Wow..

Y'all gonna carry the O& E crap over here too?

I think we ALL saw what FSM's solution was...

Case closed, n'est pas?

 

...yet your posts still contain comments like this...

Hans von Hammer:

PS. Get up and quit falling on your sword, Karl.. Yer bleedin' all over the Future I used on the floor..

 

I ain't defending Doog, but your quest for no arguing reads as arguing.

Nuff said!

Hans, you continue to "apply" for the position of weekend moderator with your Hall Monitor comments like this one...

Hans von Hammer

Wow..

Y'all gonna carry the O& E crap over here too?

I think we ALL saw what FSM's solution was...

Case closed, n'est pas?

...yet your posts still contain comments like this...

Hans von Hammer

PS. Get up and quit falling on your sword, Karl.. Yer bleedin' all over the Future I used on the floor..

I ain't defending Doog, but your quest for no arguing reads as arguing.

Very well, post edited to avoid further charges. It seems we can't have a productive discussion around here with tensions so high.

PM to ya, Boyd.

See ya in the forums.

Wow..

Y'all gonna carry the O& E crap over here too?

I think we ALL saw what FSM's solution was...

Case closed, n'est pas?

PS. Get up and quit falling on your sword, Karl.. Yer bleedin' all over the Future I used on the floor..

And yet you guys continue to point fingers and throw things at each other. And you wonder why it was closed? This thread is taking a turn towards where the other went. Time to close this one as well.

the doog

Once again, for the umpteenth time; the problem HAD been talked about several times, and in a thread  that got beaten to death, the moderator HAD weighed in and agreed that there was a problem, and the advice, conclusions, and suggestions were then promptly....ignored and ridiculed by the same group. THAT was the problem.

You're right doog. But then what happened. Before there was really a chance to a) give people a chance to demonstrate a willingness to follow the "new" way of doing things and b) before Aaron had the chance to smack people for not following the "new" way of doing things, a bunch of threads (and one 'manifesto', a freakin' manifesto??!! Seriously?? C'mon!!!) get opened to complain about all the "intimidation and bullying goinig on it the forum and why isn't everyone suddenly, overnight, playing nice".  You had one side saying, "Stop being a bully, stop being mean, stop picking on me" but being too cowardly to point a finger and say "THIS, what you did RIGHT HERE is exactly what I am talking about - STOP IT" and another side saying, "What are we doing wrong" all the time knowing that they'd continued to post baiting comments throughout the forum.

I was on the outside looking it at all this, and it really was pathetic. PA-FREAKIN'-THETIC....

Hans von Hammer

Aaron, Matt, et al...

 Just so you know, I had some absolutely brilliant work wiped out in that nuke, not to mention a lot of links that I don't have book-marked...

I, for one, would have liked to have had a couple hours warning to save it for m'self...   Next time y'all decide to do that to forum (or thread), how about a "Last Call"?

I understand that "all odds & ends" means all odds & ends of course (including a certain un-named thread ). It is what it is - but a last call would indeed have been useful. See you all in the plastic threads!

Hans von Hammer

I'm applyin' for the job...

For a reference, I refer you to the last post in this thread..

/forums/t/141164.aspx?PageIndex=12

 

Got a problem with it?

The simple fact is that the FSM forums don't need a "weekend moderator". What it needs are for some members to simply respect others' very simple and not-too burdensome wishes. That done, problem solved.

Once again, for the umpteenth time; the problem HAD been talked about several times, and in a thread  that got beaten to death, the moderator HAD weighed in and agreed that there was a problem, and the advice, conclusions, and suggestions were then promptly....ignored and ridiculed by the same group. THAT was the problem.

And if it ever come down to that action, NO ONE involved in this weekends' truly regrettable mess should be appointed. If you were posting, you were too close to the action--myself included, just to be fair.

Aaron, Matt, et al...

 Just so you know, I had some absolutely brilliant work wiped out in that nuke, not to mention a lot of links that I don't have book-marked...

I, for one, would have liked to have had a couple hours warning to save it for m'self...   Next time y'all decide to do that to forum (or thread), how about a "Last Call"?

It seems to me the squeaky wheels should have gotten the grease instead of hosing everybody.I got a lot of great info from forum members concerning a trip to San Franccisco.Under the new policy,we'd all get potentially shafted for posting/replying to such a query.

TD4438

 

Hans von Hammer:

 

 

Forum members,

Because of the recent problems on the Forums, we have closed the "Odds and Ends" section of the Forum. This means that non-modeling related threads will no longer be permitted on the FSM Forums. Anything we deem inappropriate will be removed. This includes any references to post counts, activity bars, tags. etc. Persistent violators of this rule will find their posts moderated or their accounts closed.

I'm sorry that it has come to this, but it is clear that there are a few members who can't seem to help themselves when it comes to baiting other members. I have issued many. many warnings, and had even tried to work out  compromises to no avail.

Happy modeling.

Regards, Aaron

 

NOW, I'm definately reconsidering my continued membership here AND my subscription to FSM...

 

Because of the above mentioned "few members",we all get piped!No "non-modeling related threads"?How very lame!

 

TD4438,

This decision was not taken lightly. I have always encouraged members to regard the Forum as a large modeling club where some off-topic conversation was encouraged. Unfortunately, that opportunity was taken advantage of and the problems have mounted. I would like to see the Forum return to the good-natured place it once was but only time will tell.

Regards, Aaron

Hans von Hammer

Forum members,

Because of the recent problems on the Forums, we have closed the "Odds and Ends" section of the Forum. This means that non-modeling related threads will no longer be permitted on the FSM Forums. Anything we deem inappropriate will be removed. This includes any references to post counts, activity bars, tags. etc. Persistent violators of this rule will find their posts moderated or their accounts closed.

I'm sorry that it has come to this, but it is clear that there are a few members who can't seem to help themselves when it comes to baiting other members. I have issued many. many warnings, and had even tried to work out  compromises to no avail.

Happy modeling.

Regards, Aaron

NOW, I'm definately reconsidering my continued membership here AND my subscription to FSM...

For every action there is a reaction.

A room cannot get cleaned with traffic all over it. Hopefully it will come back one day nice and clean.

Well.. Now that the enire O&E forum appears to have been "nuked from orbit, as one member suggested, I think it's all moot...

Now I agree with ya 100%, Echo!

Letting the "wild fire" burn itself out is usually the best course to take.  It works time and time again. How long do you let it burn is where the problem lies.

Reporting someone because you don't like their opinion or methods is rather gray. Save the reporting feature for what it should be intended for, clear cut violations of forum rules.

This weekend's "shenanigans" required a MOD to decide whether the postings were appropriate for this forum based on FSM rules ALONE.

I partially agree with Echo139er.

I do not think that making people pay to access the forums is the way to go.  You will see membership plummet.  Most folks aren't going to pay when they can go to "competing" sites where they can post for free.  I understand the thought process though.  I just think it will do more to hurt the readership than it solves some alleged "problem".

I'd gladly offer my help in being a non-paid mod.  If asked to by the powers that be.

SteveM

I think the Report Abuse feature should suffice as moderator. If it gets reported, it will get dealt with. Just my

Ditto, report and just move along. 

Echo139er

 

Tracy White:

 

There are two diametric opposites at play here.

A for-profit company with a need to recoup costs from an investment

A community

FSM can't build a community that follows their office hours; and unless they're willing to trust some non-paid community members and deal with the potential fallout of those members not meeting both group's needs, nothing is going to happen and off-hours blow-ups are just going to be the nature of the beast.

 

 

I agree with you 100%.

For our company's forum we had an after hours problem similar to this, which very quickly ran out of control.  We tried to let the fire burn it self out.  Things were fine during the work period, our mods cleaned up and as soon we clocked out they continued on.  This went on for a while.  We lost some good members because of it.

The solution:  Our forums are no longer free nor public.  The price for the forum participation more than offsets our cost for several after-hour mods.  Our forum's membership has soared and so far has remained very civil.

FSM has to make a choice if this "problem" persists; close the forum, locked it down, or consider a non-paid mod as you say, or maybe even compensate him/her with a mag subscription.  My

I must agree with Echo139er 's solution:

"if this "problem" persists; close the forum, locked it down, or consider a non-paid mod as you say, or maybe even compensate him/her with a mag subscription".

I think the Report Abuse feature should suffice as moderator. If it gets reported, it will get dealt with. Just my

As is see it, this weekends nastyness was the very first and only time i have witnessed anything negative on the forum since the day i registered here.

It ain't about "Nannyin', Kermit... It's about stopping littl things before they get turned into MONSTER things in the 36 hours things are locked up in Milwaukee...

Click on "posts" under Aaron's Avatar and count "locked thread posts".  Then check the dates and times that the OP of each locked thread actually started against the calendar...  You'll find a LOT started on a Friday evening, and they  weren't dealt with until Monday...  That's a LOT of posts and bad ju-ju...

Then ask yourself, "What if that thread had been locked Friday Night for Aaron's perusal on Monday?"...

Lemme know what ya come up with...

Must say i kinda disagree here...

Too much nanny stuff will kill a forum like nothing else...seen it before

As is see it, this weekends nastyness was the very first and only time i have witnessed anything negative on the forum since the day i registered here. I tell all my friends that are interested in the hobby that, of all the places websites and forums on the big www, this is by far the most friendly one.

It is my humble opinion that we should just move on, learn our lessons and carry on with business as we are all used to and always have been. No need for changes

Richard

I'll gladdly share a fox-hole with ya Hans!