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  • Member since
    November 2011
  • From: AUSTRALIA
Flat coat over gloss black
Posted by AUSboarhunter on Saturday, December 17, 2011 3:37 AM

Hello from Australia 

My names Peter and I am a 16 year old junior modeller. I have just painted tamiyas 1/48 nighthawk in gloss black. This morning I proceeded to put on the decals and after allowing them to dry for a few hours I got set up to spray the plane in a flat coat as that's what the f117's finish is. I started to spray on the bottom of the plane to test and see how it was working. After about 10seconds the paint turned white and cloudy and I have had no other troubles with the flat coat before, however the models Were not black. The brand of paint I used was life colour flat coat LC-27. If any of you fellow modellers know of another brand of flat coat that you have used on a black plane that doesn't discolor the paint or a different technique to make the gloss black plane flat I would appreciate any help

Thanks guys!!!

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  • Member since
    October 2007
  • From: Scotland
Posted by Milairjunkie on Saturday, December 17, 2011 5:36 AM

I haven't used Life Color clears, but unless you happen to have got some of a bad batch it's possible that the clear isn't the problem. A couple of things come to mind;

Mixing - some clears require quite a bit of mixing & without it the flatting agent in the clear will often produce a whiteish finish.

Distance / pressure - if your spraying distance or air pressure were excessive this would cause the clear to start to dry mid flight, when this happens the paint is too dry to level out & create a smooth finish.

It might be worth experimenting a little away from the subject to see if you can get better results, if you can, you may find that hitting your F-117 with another coat of clear will sole the white finish you have.

  • Member since
    November 2011
  • From: AUSTRALIA
Posted by AUSboarhunter on Saturday, December 17, 2011 5:24 PM

Thanks I will play around with it again today and do some more experiments

  • Member since
    August 2005
  • From: Sydney, Australia
Posted by Phil_H on Saturday, December 17, 2011 5:40 PM

If it's simple hazing, this is very easily fixed. Apply a coat of clear gloss and the hazing should disappear.

If your flat coat went on clear and wet and dried to a hazy finish, I would be leaning towards insufficient mixing/stirring of the paint before reducing (thinning). At a stretch, humidity may cause similar problems.

My flat coat of choice is Gunze's Aqueous Clear Flat H-20 - luckily this is still widely available here in Australia.

  • Member since
    November 2011
  • From: AUSTRALIA
Posted by AUSboarhunter on Sunday, December 18, 2011 2:58 AM

Thanks for the help guys, today i mucked around and tested a few things out. whilst doing experiments i came across a Vallejo flat clear coat and gave that a try. after several tests with thinning the coat down i found the result i was after on a black surface. i then sprayed the plane and all is good :)

tomorrow i shall continue on with the last few things and then start work on the base. when the plane is finished I'll try to get some pix up!!

  • Member since
    December 2010
  • From: T-34 Hunting
Posted by TheWildChild on Sunday, December 18, 2011 5:07 AM

i had a similar problem with a black 1/24 scale sprint car, painted it, put decals on, weathered it, sprayed the clearcoat and turned almost everything white....my clearcoat was old, that was the problem with mine.

 

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Posted by AUSboarhunter on Wednesday, December 28, 2011 12:45 AM

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