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Posted by Nino on Sunday, September 17, 2017 8:53 AM

Larry,  Thank you.
     What a "Nutshell"!  I'm definitely Not an "Artist".  As mentioned, I think there is a Vocational aspect to Model Hobbyists. I bet a bunch of us "Built" things for a living or had great Interest in History or were involved somehow in the various "fields" i.e.: Automotive, Aviation, Military, Nautical, etc...
     And since “rarely – if ever – explored was hobbies", I would love to see if you could further define Social/Economic/Political leanings of Model Builders.  What a "Block" of voters we could make, although Laws written to protect us from bad kits would be a bad idea. I suspect we love most "Bad" Model kits. It's a challenge, an aspect of model building perhaps unlike painting and sculpting.
   Can't wait to find out your final results. 
   Geez, I hope were not too "ABby Normal".
 
Thanks.  Glad I was able to participate.
     Nino
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Posted by modelcrazy on Saturday, September 16, 2017 8:35 PM

Fascinating info.

Steve

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Posted by lzdaily@comcast.net on Saturday, September 16, 2017 8:08 PM

Hello, all. I said that I would post a summary of the results of my project when I could. I'm still working on analyzing the data, but I have some preliminary results that I can share. I felt that the project that you all participated in might not make much sense without context, so I've given you a little information about my overall research program. It's a long post and I apologize for that. Thanks again to everyone who participated.

Larry

This might be more than you want to know, but…
For a long time, I had been informally wondering why people build models. If you grant me that a doll and a toy animal are models, then people have been making models for as long as there have been people. Then I heard a talk at a conference in which the speaker pointed out that one of the areas of human behavior that psychology had rarely – if ever – explored was hobbies. That’s when I formally decided to explore the psychology of hobbies.
I took a sabbatical leave in the fall of 2011, in large part to give myself several uninterrupted months to read whatever literature existed on hobbies. What I found was a mess. Some people argued that hobbies were beneficial. Some argued that hobbies were harmful. Some claimed that hobbies had physical benefits, but others that they had mental benefits. The problem was that everyone meant something different by “hobby” and none of them ever seemed to mean an activity that I’d ever seen represented in a hobbyshop (and I’ve been in a lot of hobbyshops over the years). It became clear that the first thing I was going to have to do was to define the word “hobby.”
The definition that I chose to adopt was proposed by historian Steven Gelber. He defined a hobby as “a voluntary activity, usually engaged in alone, at home, using relatively simple tools to produce an object with economic value.” (Economic value doesn’t mean monetary value. It’s a broader concept that includes the worth of the object to a person.) I wasn’t going to get very far convincing people (other than my undergraduate research assistants) to adopt that definition just because I said so. I needed to show that Gelber’s definition captured the core of what people meant when they used the word hobby, even though some people used the word more broadly. That led to my first project.
In that project, I asked a sample of people (who were not given the definition) to rate their level of agreement with a series of statements of the form “X is a hobby”, where X was some leisure activity. I also had a separate group of people rate each of the activities on how closely it matched Gelber’s definition of a hobby. Then I correlated the ratings. As I expected, the more closely an activity matched Gelber’s definition, the more likely participants were to agree that it was a hobby. (If you want some of the technical details, I actually did a regression analysis using the 5 characteristics from Gelber’s definition to predict the level of agreement that the activity was a hobby. I obtained an R2 of .58). I’m currently prepping that paper for submission to a journal.
My second project was influenced in part by some comments I received when I submitted the definition for the first time. I submitted it to a leisure science journal and they got all bent out of shape because I didn’t define leisure (for what it’s worth, I’m not sure that leisure scientists have adequately defined leisure, but that’s a rabbit hole that I do not want to fall down). A second influence was John Holland’s work on the relationship of personality and vocational choice. In his 1973 book, Holland made a brief reference to the idea that his personality types might also be related to avocational choice, but he never followed up on it. The goal of the project was to explore whether there was a relationship between personality (I measured personality using both Holland’s types and the Big 5 dimensions of personality) and leisure activity choice. In a nutshell, I did find a relationship between certain aspects of personality and choice of a primary leisure activity. I hope to start writing up those results in a formal report very soon (I did, however, present my findings at the annual meeting of the Eastern Psychological Association in March of 2016).
That ended up being a big project with a focus on a typology of leisure activities, but that wasn’t what got me into this line of research. I was interested in hobbyists, modelers in particular. Over the years, I’ve seen quite a few modelers refer to modeling as an art form and it’s not hard to see similarities between building models (making visual representations of objects in the world) and the visual arts (making visual representations of objects in the world). I began to wonder whether modelers and artists were similar or different in how they approached their activities and in why they did them. That led to the most project that you participated in. In another nutshell, a very preliminary look at the data suggests that modelers and artists do what they do for different reasons (both report their activity as a creative outlet, but modelers want the model whereas artists want to express emotion), they think about the things that they create in different ways (modelers display their models, but artists tend to dispose of their art), and they differ in certain aspects of personality. Further, while they don’t differ in terms of their satisfaction with life or self-esteem, artists tend to feel more stress and to report more symptoms of depression than modelers.
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Posted by Rob Gronovius on Friday, May 5, 2017 8:00 AM
Best of luck on your project.
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Posted by lzdaily@comcast.net on Friday, May 5, 2017 6:22 AM

All, I have enough responses to work with at this point, so I've shut down the survey. I want to extend my thanks to everyone who took the time to complete the survey; the effort is very much appreciated. I've been doing research on hobbies and hobbyists for a few years now and I can tell you this: the last study I've found that specifically targeted modelers was aimed at model railroaders and it was conducted in 1950.

I'm going to spend a few days working with the data and then I'll type up a brief preliminary report on what I've found and post it here.

Again, thanks for helping out. You all are the best (but, then, I already knew that).

Best wishes and happy modeling to you all!

Larry

P.S. - FWIW - that's my P-51B on page 37 of the May FSM.

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  • From: Douglas AZ
Posted by littletimmy on Thursday, May 4, 2017 7:28 PM

I can see how this survey would make a person think they might have a problem. 

I dont feel that I must build or die... but I dont feel like stopping either. 

NO! YOU CANT MAKE ME STOP!         must glue...must glue... must glue....

 Dont worry about the thumbprint, paint it Rust , and call it "Battle Damage"

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  • From: Philadelphia Pa
Posted by Nino on Thursday, May 4, 2017 5:47 PM

Yes, I see that we need to be honest on Is Modelling the Primary Hobby question. For me, yes. It's the only way I can sit down and relax and convince the wife I have to do "Research" on the WEB.

Happy Modelling Tanker-Builder. Good Luck to you on recovery. I hope you never have to Un-zip again.

         Jim.

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Posted by Tanker - Builder on Tuesday, April 25, 2017 9:51 AM

Well , I took the survey .

   I felt that more definitive answers should've been allowed on some of the questions . But it was par for the pschycological surveys the hospitals give to serious candidates for major heart surgery . I did mine AFTER joining the  "Zipper " club.

     The " Zipper " club is those who have had open heart surgeries of any kind where the chest was cracked to do the job . That's me . Twelve weeks recovery now .  T.B. 

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Posted by knox on Saturday, April 15, 2017 7:09 AM

I took the survey, and now I'm thinking I might need counseling.Embarrassed

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Posted by jrb53 on Friday, April 14, 2017 8:45 PM

I did the same as smeosky last week, but was afraid that mentioning it might skew your results with people who now know they must answer it "corrrectly" if they want to complete the poll. However, it's great that you allowed for a Null set and prevented a false dichotomy from watering down the results.  You're right, there are many of us who thoroughly enjoy modelling, but it is not our major leisure time activity.

BTW- You'll never make it as a professional pollster, you're too honest!Smile

Jack

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Posted by lzdaily@comcast.net on Saturday, April 8, 2017 6:54 AM

Jim (Nino) and smeosky,

Thanks for taking the time to take part. I really appreciate it.

smeosky, no disrespect was intended. The whole purpose of the study was to compare people who consider their primary leisure activity to be model building to people who consider their primary leisure activity to be creating art. That's why answering "neither" to the first question behaves the way it does. No one has ever done research on hobbyists before, so I need to start with people who clearly consider themselves to belong in one or the other group, realizing that many (if not most) people would be like you and possess more than one "primary" leisure activity. I feel like I might be babbling at this point - did that last bit make any sense?

Best,
Larry 

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Posted by stikpusher on Thursday, April 6, 2017 5:04 PM

smeosky

Well i got to the first question and it said it didnt need my input, lol! Asked if model building was my primary leisure activity I responded No (since moto riding has a very slight edge over modeling for me) and it said Thanks, bye! Maybe i should retake it and swap my priorities

 

 

didn't you know that honesty does not work well for online surveys Wink

 

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Posted by smeosky on Thursday, April 6, 2017 3:42 PM

Well i got to the first question and it said it didnt need my input, lol! Asked if model building was my primary leisure activity I responded No (since moto riding has a very slight edge over modeling for me) and it said Thanks, bye! Maybe i should retake it and swap my priorities

 

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Posted by Nino on Thursday, April 6, 2017 1:15 AM

Pretty Kool!  Makes Ya think thru a bunch a'stuff.  Thanks for the oppurtunity.

I believe I did it in under 30 min. Do I get extra credit?  Or, conversly, is there a Curve?

   I hope it gives us all  a better insight into our Leisure time and Life in general.

     Thanks Again,

           Jim.

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Posted by lzdaily@comcast.net on Wednesday, April 5, 2017 7:52 PM

Rob, Keyda81,

Thanks for completing. Much appreciated!

Best to all,

Larry

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Posted by Rob Gronovius on Monday, April 3, 2017 10:49 PM

Not worried about follow ups, I filled out your survey. I understand the importance of surveys.

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Posted by Keyda81 on Monday, April 3, 2017 9:29 PM

All done.Big Smile

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Posted by lzdaily@comcast.net on Monday, April 3, 2017 7:39 PM

Wirraway, XF-15DCC - thanks for completing the survey. Very much appreciated.

Rob, I won't send you any follow up surveys. I promise.

Best to all,

Larry

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Posted by XF-15DCC on Monday, April 3, 2017 5:54 PM

Interesting questions, I played, you have another one done.....

We live in fame or go down in flame. 

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Posted by Rob Gronovius on Monday, April 3, 2017 4:54 PM

I was required to complete an Army survey my first year in the Army. I was sent follow up surveys every few years or so for a couple of decades. I still get follow up surveys even though I retired in 2011.

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Posted by Wirraway on Sunday, April 2, 2017 11:09 PM

done-diddley-done

"Growing old is inevitable; growing up is optional"

" A hobby should pass the time - not fill it"  -Norman Bates

 

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Posted by lzdaily@comcast.net on Wednesday, March 29, 2017 7:41 PM

Thanks to Gamera, BlackSheepTwoOneFour, and Bruce (hogfanfs) for taking the time to complete the survey. Much appreciated.

Cdn Colin, I'd be happy to post a link when I get this finished and written up.

Happy modeling,

Larry

P.S. - when this is done, I might find time to complete my half finished model of Weaver's P-51D.

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Posted by hogfanfs on Wednesday, March 29, 2017 4:00 PM

Done.

 Bruce

 

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Posted by Cdn Colin on Wednesday, March 29, 2017 12:39 PM

Could you post a link to the article on this thread when it's published?

I'm curious to see the results.

I build 1/48 scale WW2 fighters.

Have fun.

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Posted by BlackSheepTwoOneFour on Wednesday, March 29, 2017 10:21 AM

Ok, you got me curious. Survey done! Big Smile

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Posted by Gamera on Wednesday, March 29, 2017 7:37 AM

Completed the survey last night. Good luck with your research! 

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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Posted by lzdaily@comcast.net on Tuesday, March 28, 2017 7:35 PM

Thanks to tempestjohnny, Jack (jrb53), ikar01, and modelcrazy for taking the survey.

A couple of side notes: modelcrazy, I never did finish all my planned Mustang builds. I still have two -D's and a K to go, but my basement is a mess. I tore down my old model railroad and started a new one.

BlackSheepTwoOneFour, I've made a note to send you results when I get them. As I noted in a previous message, I might have some preliminary results in about a month.

Revenant, the purpose of the study is to answer two questions. The first is why some of us choose to build models? The second is, given that there seems to be a great deal of similarity in building models and creating art, how are model builders and artists similar and how are they different. If the results are interesting (and I really think they will be), I plan to write them up and publish them in a journal.

Best to all,
Larry

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Posted by modelcrazy on Tuesday, March 28, 2017 10:31 AM

I took the survey Larry.

I learned a lot about myself and why I build models after some thought and introspection.

I also learned I dislike what I do for my job and went down the wrong career path. Didn't really have a choice at the time. Need to feed the family and provide of a home after all.

Steve

Building a kit from your stash is like cutting a head off a Hydra, two more take it's place.

 

 

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Posted by BlackSheepTwoOneFour on Tuesday, March 28, 2017 9:13 AM

lzdaily@comcast.net

BlackSheepTwoOneFour - pretty sure you're correct - you don't need a survey. I'm just trying to figure out why everyone else needs to be a modeler.

 

 

 

I wouldn't say it's a "need." It's a hobby we all enjoyed since it's humble beginnings. WHy? Because it was cool. LOL! I am interested in hearing your findings.

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