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Dunkirk (Movie)
Posted by ridleusmc on Saturday, July 22, 2017 7:01 PM

I saw Dunkirk this weekend with my wife.  She tolerates my interest in history.  

This was a great movie, and I recommend it.  It was pretty nerve racking, and it presented a strong sense of desperation from beginning to end.  The movie presents three story lines which overlap at times, but converge at one point.  I'll admit, some turns of the story took effort to follow.     

I'll assume the main characters are fictitious, but the movie seemed to be historically accurate.  I do have some doubts about some of the Royal Navy vessels, but I don't know enough about the ships to declare one way or the other.

Given the subject matter, I think the people on this forum would enjoy this movie.    

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Posted by mississippivol on Saturday, July 22, 2017 7:05 PM
I'm glad it sounds as good as the trailers looked. I've been trying to find a time to get there myself.
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Posted by GMorrison on Saturday, July 22, 2017 10:32 PM

It got a great review in the local. My wife doesn't much want to go, but I'm going with the kid as she loves England and history.

The reviewer said that it really sets itself apart by making you forget the ending and being terrified or at least frightened for the outcome all the way through.

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Posted by richs26 on Saturday, July 22, 2017 10:50 PM

There is also a historical book out which was the basis for the movie.

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Posted by bobbaily on Sunday, July 23, 2017 12:43 PM

Saw it yesterday-I agree with ridleusmc-very intense indeed....and well done.

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Posted by fox on Sunday, July 23, 2017 4:04 PM

Trying to get the wife to go tonight.

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Posted by jeaton01 on Sunday, July 23, 2017 4:18 PM

I saw it last Thursday with my wife.  I thought it was well done, but was disappointed with the last scene of the burning Spitfire,where the propeller was hanging from a broomstick.  Everything else was so much better done,and whatever CGI was there was not intrusive.

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Posted by DiscoStu on Monday, July 24, 2017 1:45 PM

It was a great movie.  Very well done.

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Posted by JOE RIX on Tuesday, July 25, 2017 11:50 PM

Excellent movie! I saw it last weekend and thoroughly enjoyed it. For me, the director did a superb job in spinning the three story lines together. My experience of watching this movie was especially enhanced as I took my mother to see it. She is 91 yrs old and although she was stateside at the time of Dunkirk, she remembers the event very well. She was hugely moved by the movie and even had some tears at times. She even tells me each day since we saw it that she can't get it out of her head and how much she enjoyed it.

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Posted by Armor_Aficionado on Wednesday, July 26, 2017 5:29 AM
I thought it was great, well done, very gripping action, BUT not as "epic" as I thought it would be. There were some important points missing. Firstly, all you ever saw of the Germans were the aircraft, nothing else. They could have done some exposition about how the Germans were able to advance and encircle the B.E.F. at Dunkirk, or give some insight into German staff decision-making as to why not keep advancing and capture all the troops there on the beach, but they didn't really explore the other side at all. Also, why were tens of thousands of men just standing there on the beach, or just lying around relaxing on the beach (!) waiting for the ships to come, and not helping the French troops man the defensive positions in town, or prepare defensive positions on the beach, etc.? I mean, for one I doubt that that's all they did, but if that's exactly what they did was just stand around waiting, then fine, explain WHY! Or explain why the Royal Navy evacuation effort was so poor (they had one throwaway line when the one Army officer asks the Navy officer why they're not sending more destroyers to help in the evacuation, and he says, "They're saving them for the next battle, the one for Britain." but's that's it). For what it did show, it did very well, but there were way too many gaps in the story...

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Posted by Marcus McBean on Wednesday, July 26, 2017 6:42 AM

I haven't seen the movie yet but what you are asking for can be found in countless documentries which isn't what this movie is about.  I wouldn't want to sit through another "TORA-TORA_TORA or Midway" type movie.

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Posted by echolmberg on Wednesday, July 26, 2017 8:59 AM

Armor_Aficionado
I thought it was great, well done, very gripping action, BUT not as "epic" as I thought it would be.

....

 

For what it did show, it did very well, but there were way too many gaps in the story...

 

 
Gonna have to agree with Armor on this one.  I saw it last night with my brother-in-law who is equally into history as much as I am.  It was okay…not as “epic” as critics were making it out to be.  There wasn’t a whole lot of dialog.  From what I understand, they wanted the actions to convey the mood and feeling of the situation but, for me, the lack of dialog did not contribute to character development.  As a result, I found it hard to relate to any of them.  I didn’t know what any of the characters names were and the characters in the movie didn’t seem to be bonded to each other.
 
 Then there’s the heavy British accents.  What little dialog there was was difficult and, at times, impossible for me to understand.  As a result, I just let the action dictate the sentiment.  I might not have been able to understand all the dialog but it was enough for me to tell what was going on if they spoke angrily, fearfully, etc.  Part way through the movie, I felt like it was the first English-speaking movie that could qualify as a foreign film at the same time.
 
Part of the movie followed the storyline of three or four Spitfire pilots.  The air-to-air sequences were some of the best ones I’ve ever seen in a movie.  Much of what you see in other movies are blatantly obvious computer generated scenes.  In “Dunkirk”, however, it appears that no CGI was used and you’re literally looking right down the noses of the Spitfires in the air-to-air sequences.  If you see the movie, go for the airplane action.  I found it well worth the price of admission.
 
All-in-all, I'm NOT saying it was a bad movie by any means.  Not even close.  It's just that, with all the hype, I thought it was going to be better.  I know some people loved the movie.  I felt it was “alright”.  I’ve seen far worse and it was a fair enough movie to see especially the flying sequences.
 
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Posted by lcb248 on Thursday, July 27, 2017 1:55 PM

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I thought it was great, well done, very gripping action, BUT not as "epic" as I thought it would be. There were some important points missing. Firstly, all you ever saw of the Germans were the aircraft, nothing else. 

Actually, it occured to me that if I was a soldier on the beach, how much of the Germans would I have seen? And NOT seeing them in the movie sort of amped up the feeling that "they must be right over the sand dune, we're all gonna die" feeling I felt during most of the movie.

All of the pictures I remember seeing from Dunkirk has soldiers lined up like they've shown in the movie, except...there were a LOT more lines with a LOT more soldiers. Since there were over 400,000 Brits, Belgians and French in the pocket they all weren't needed on the "line". 

The lack of the movie feeling Epic I agree with. But then, maybe that's what the director wanted. Maybe he was trying to keep it to broad paint strokes as seen from a personal level and not an HD "picture" of the real event. Not sure...I just know I walked out of the theater with the wind sort of knocked out of me sails...

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Posted by tankboy51 on Thursday, July 27, 2017 4:12 PM

My wife and I went to it last Sunday, we both thought it was Fantastic!  I thought the director and actors did a great job.  

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Posted by scottrc on Thursday, July 27, 2017 4:29 PM

Ditto on the air combat sequences.  If they remake the Battle of Britain, I hope do it the same way.  

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Posted by Wirraway on Saturday, July 29, 2017 7:42 AM
It has been reported in the press over here that one american film critic panned the movie because it didn't have enough "strong female characters or people of colour". Oh jeez, give me a break. Let's just rewrite history for the benefit of PC.

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Posted by BlackSheepTwoOneFour on Saturday, July 29, 2017 9:43 AM

Wirraway
It has been reported in the press over here that one american film critic panned the movie because it didn't have enough "strong female characters or people of colour". Oh jeez, give me a break. Let's just rewrite history for the benefit of PC.
 

Post the link. I want to fire off a response in their review site. LOLOLOLOLOL!

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Posted by Bish on Saturday, July 29, 2017 12:58 PM

echolmberg
 
Armor_Aficionado
I thought it was great, well done, very gripping action, BUT not as "epic" as I thought it would be.

....

 

For what it did show, it did very well, but there were way too many gaps in the story...

 

 

 
Gonna have to agree with Armor on this one.  I saw it last night with my brother-in-law who is equally into history as much as I am.  It was okay…not as “epic” as critics were making it out to be.  There wasn’t a whole lot of dialog.  From what I understand, they wanted the actions to convey the mood and feeling of the situation but, for me, the lack of dialog did not contribute to character development.  As a result, I found it hard to relate to any of them.  I didn’t know what any of the characters names were and the characters in the movie didn’t seem to be bonded to each other.
 
 Then there’s the heavy British accents.  What little dialog there was was difficult and, at times, impossible for me to understand.  As a result, I just let the action dictate the sentiment.  I might not have been able to understand all the dialog but it was enough for me to tell what was going on if they spoke angrily, fearfully, etc.  Part way through the movie, I felt like it was the first English-speaking movie that could qualify as a foreign film at the same time.
 
Part of the movie followed the storyline of three or four Spitfire pilots.  The air-to-air sequences were some of the best ones I’ve ever seen in a movie.  Much of what you see in other movies are blatantly obvious computer generated scenes.  In “Dunkirk”, however, it appears that no CGI was used and you’re literally looking right down the noses of the Spitfires in the air-to-air sequences.  If you see the movie, go for the airplane action.  I found it well worth the price of admission.
 
All-in-all, I'm NOT saying it was a bad movie by any means.  Not even close.  It's just that, with all the hype, I thought it was going to be better.  I know some people loved the movie.  I felt it was “alright”.  I’ve seen far worse and it was a fair enough movie to see especially the flying sequences.
 
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Sorry Eric, i could hold off responding to this no longer.

Let me get this right, your criticising the fact that the English characters were speaking real English. Huh?

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Posted by Bish on Saturday, July 29, 2017 1:08 PM

Wirraway
It has been reported in the press over here that one american film critic panned the movie because it didn't have enough "strong female characters or people of colour". Oh jeez, give me a break. Let's just rewrite history for the benefit of PC.
 

I was watching a youtube video al about that the other day. Apparently, the comments about no woman or blacks was in USA today.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_BDLfMh3kJE

 

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Posted by mawright20 on Saturday, July 29, 2017 7:51 PM
I totally agree with busting on my fellow Americans who are crying about lack of characters and the language. That's a buch of stupidity. Maybe they missed the point that it didn't involve the U.S.....
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Posted by Viejo on Saturday, July 29, 2017 8:18 PM

Saw it yesterday, thought it was good in spite of the out of fuel spitfire that kept circling and shot down a bomber before the perfect beach landing......

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Posted by stikpusher on Saturday, July 29, 2017 11:30 PM

I saw it this evening. Pretty well done. Not perfect, but better than many recent war movies. The aerial fight sequences were well done indeed. Well, at least most of them. 

It certainly has me wanting to build some aircraft of that time and place. 

 

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Posted by stikpusher on Saturday, July 29, 2017 11:38 PM

jeaton01

 I thought it was well done, but was disappointed with the last scene of the burning Spitfire,where the propeller was hanging from a broomstick.  

 

Yes, more like this would have been better...

 

 

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Posted by mississippivol on Sunday, July 30, 2017 9:02 AM
One question about the 109s, were the yellow noses not applied until during the BoB?
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Posted by fermis on Sunday, July 30, 2017 10:30 AM

mississippivol
One question about the 109s, were the yellow noses not applied until during the BoB?
 

Yeah...the yellow nose at Dunkirk is a few weeks early....and, isn't that 109 a Hispano?

Here's a youtube vid...the yellow nose is the first issue addressed...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OgRyu3Rmw8s  

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Posted by stikpusher on Sunday, July 30, 2017 11:48 AM

mississippivol
One question about the 109s, were the yellow noses not applied until during the BoB?
 

Correct. Side mottling and yellow noses were introduced during the late summer of 1940, not in the Spring. Aside from that, the aerial sequences are pretty impressively done. 

 

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Posted by Bish on Sunday, July 30, 2017 12:30 PM

fermis
 
mississippivol
One question about the 109s, were the yellow noses not applied until during the BoB?
 

 

 

Yeah...the yellow nose at Dunkirk is a few weeks early....and, isn't that 109 a Hispano?

Here's a youtube vid...the yellow nose is the first issue addressed...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OgRyu3Rmw8s  

 

I can fully understand his reasons for the yellow noses.

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Posted by ridleusmc on Sunday, July 30, 2017 2:06 PM

This is a pretty interesting audio effect used in the movie, and it's called the "Shepherd's tone."  It's part of why the movie is so tense.  

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LVWTQcZbLgY

 

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Posted by Mopar Madness on Sunday, July 30, 2017 7:12 PM

Fantastic movie! 

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Posted by modelcrazy on Sunday, July 30, 2017 7:24 PM

Bish
Let me get this right, your criticising the fact that the English characters were speaking real English.

LOL, I tell my wife all the time I can't understand english LOL.

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