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Do you ever feel CHEATED?
Posted by Bakster on Thursday, March 22, 2018 5:56 PM

I just ordered and received a kit. When I opened it... I thought...I paid what for this? Sheesh. A dollars worth of plastic (at most), and $28 bucks later with shipping, I feel gypped. I'm not complaining really because I knew I was not gonna get much. But holy cats. This kit should sell for $3.00 at most. I might get a better prize from a gumball machine. It is a bit sad. That is all that I am saying. Ah well. It is still a good value for the many hours of enjoyment (torture) I will get. 

THE END

 

 

 

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Posted by goldhammer on Thursday, March 22, 2018 6:03 PM

Have seen a few over the last couple of years where the box was worth more than the contents.........and not just in modeling.

 

Then you have the other side of the coin...as in, what am I supposed to do with all this (95 tiny individual parts when it could have been done in 3 semi easy to handle parts), but at least it looks like you got what you paid for.

But kind of the same way.....all in the enjoyment.

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Posted by Bakster on Thursday, March 22, 2018 6:21 PM

Amen, GH.

 

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Posted by stikpusher on Thursday, March 22, 2018 7:30 PM

Not in a long time. It’s too easy to research a kit nowadays and have a real good idea of what’s in the box before you ever order. 

 

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Posted by patrick206 on Thursday, March 22, 2018 7:36 PM

Bakster

I just ordered and received a kit. When I opened it... I thought...I paid what for this? Sheesh. A dollars worth of plastic (at most), and $28 bucks later with shipping, I feel gypped. I'm not complaining really because I knew I was not gonna get much. But holy cats. This kit should sell for $3.00 at most. I might get a better prize from a gum ball machine. It is a bit sad. That is all that I am saying. Ah well. It is still a good value for the many hours of enjoyment (torture) I will get. 

THE END

 

 

 

Same thing for me, bought the Revell AH-1W in 1:48th, most of the kit was just excellent. But the canopy fit was quite poor, required many bits of thin plastic stock to make for a proper fit.

Then, only one way to assemble the main rotor system, (instructions confirm that,) and the direction of rotation is reverse. No practical way to correct, and a purchaser shouldn't have to.  Even the box art shows the defect.

It's for a young Marine, medically retired after disabling wounds in Afghanistan, he was a Crew Chief on the AH-1W. He would see the problem of reverse direction very easily, can't present that clunker to him, it resides in the trash and have the replacement on order. $26 wasted.

The replacement was produced by a different kit manufacturer.

Patrick

 

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Posted by Bakster on Thursday, March 22, 2018 7:59 PM

stikpusher

Not in a long time. It’s too easy to research a kit nowadays and have a real good idea of what’s in the box before you ever order. 

 

This may be true if you are choosing from a genre where multiple knockoffs are available. In my case, there was only one. I knew that I was settling for something potentially bad. I just didn't expect it to be as bad.

 

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Posted by Bakster on Thursday, March 22, 2018 8:00 PM

patrick206
Same thing for me, bought the Revell AH-1W in 1:48th, most of the kit was just excellent. But the canopy fit was quite poor, required many bits of thin plastic stock to make for a proper fit. Then, only one way to assemble the main rotor system, (instructions confirm that,) and the direction of rotation is reverse. No practical way to correct, and a purchaser shouldn't have to.  Even the box art shows the defect. It's for a young Marine, medically retired after disabling wounds in Afghanistan, he was a Crew Chief on the AH-1W. He would see the problem of reverse direction very easily, can't present that clunker to him, it resides in the trash and have the replacement on order. $26 wasted. The replacement was produced by a different kit manufacturer. Patrick  

I am sorry for you Patrick. And for a noble cause too. 

 

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Posted by stikpusher on Thursday, March 22, 2018 8:19 PM

Bakster

This may be true if you are choosing from a genre where multiple knockoffs are available. In my case, there was only one. I knew that I was settling for something potentially bad. I just didn't expect it to be as bad.

 

well even in mainstream categories, there are kit subjects that are the only game in town in a given scale. Sure there oodles and oodles of some subjects out there. But others in injection plastic... good luck. 

For example, if you want a 1/48 F-82, there is only one injection plastic kit out there, by Modelcraft of Canada. It has less than a stellar reputation. And let’s just say that if you need that kit to fill a gap in your collection,(which I do for my Korean War collection) then the choice is that and that alone. Unless somebody comes out with one I can afford before I leave the hobby. 

If you have not been to Scalemates, you should check it out. They have a pretty comprehensive database of most every kit out there. Not always linked to reviews, as many older kits have no reviews. But at least you know the vintage and lineage of a kit and then have a good idea of what to expect. 

 

 

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Posted by GMorrison on Thursday, March 22, 2018 8:28 PM

Sure I sent thirty bucks on gas yesterday, went up to the City, came back today. CR sitting where it was Wednesday.

Nothing to show for it.

Point his the trip is the value.

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Posted by Bakster on Thursday, March 22, 2018 8:39 PM

GMorrison

Sure I sent thirty bucks on gas yesterday, went up to the City, came back today. CR sitting where it was Wednesday.

Nothing to show for it.

Point his the trip is the value.

 

Thats true G. It's all about the trip. Who doesn't like tripping. 

 

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Posted by Bakster on Thursday, March 22, 2018 8:47 PM

stikpusher

 

 
Bakster

This may be true if you are choosing from a genre where multiple knockoffs are available. In my case, there was only one. I knew that I was settling for something potentially bad. I just didn't expect it to be as bad.

 

 

well even in mainstream categories, there are kit subjects that are the only game in town in a given scale. Sure there oodles and oodles of some subjects out there. But others in injection plastic... good luck. 

For example, if you want a 1/48 F-82, there is only one injection plastic kit out there, by Modelcraft of Canada. It has less than a stellar reputation. And let’s just say that if you need that kit to fill a gap in your collection,(which I do for my Korean War collection) then the choice is that and that alone. Unless somebody comes out with one I can afford before I leave the hobby. 

If you have not been to Scalemates, you should check it out. They have a pretty comprehensive database of most every kit out there. Not always linked to reviews, as many older kits have no reviews. But at least you know the vintage and lineage of a kit and then have a good idea of what to expect. 

 

 

Good to know about Scalemates. I will make a note of it for future buys. Just so I am clear. I would have bought this either way. It's not that it is defective. It's that for the money... I would have liked to see it having a little more plastic to it. In my opinion, it is over priced. It is what it is. I can make a cool diorama from it.

 

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Posted by stikpusher on Thursday, March 22, 2018 9:07 PM

I hear ya loud and clear. I’ve become quite a bargain hunter in this hobby over the past decades. I see the list prices of some kits and shake my head. Especially when I know what’s in the box and know the original and past pricing of the same molds. 

 

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U is for URANIUM... BOMBS!

N is for NO SURVIVORS...

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Posted by BlackSheepTwoOneFour on Thursday, March 22, 2018 9:10 PM

It all depends on where you ordered it from. Have you compared prices of the kit from other online stores? Sometimes you will find it cheaper elsewhere besides your go-to online store. 

I agree with scalemates as well. It’s worth the time to research the kit before buying it.

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Posted by armor 2.0 on Friday, March 23, 2018 7:30 AM

Everytime I buy something model related it doesn' stop me though.

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Posted by Bish on Friday, March 23, 2018 7:42 AM

Sorry, but i just have to ask. Whats gypped?

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Posted by hogfanfs on Friday, March 23, 2018 8:02 AM
 

Bish

Sorry, but i just have to ask. Whats gypped?

 

 
 
 
gyp
jip/
informal
verb
past tense: gypped; past participle: gypped
  1. cheat or swindle (someone).
    "that's salesmanship, you have to gyp people into buying stuff they don't like"

 Bruce

 

 

 

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Posted by Don Stauffer on Friday, March 23, 2018 8:47 AM

It has been a long time since.  Being in the hobby as long as I have, I have learned what kits to expect good stuff from and those to avoid.  This is especially true on stuff from Eastern Europe.

If there is a new brand, or one of the few I haven't tried already, I look for help from model club members or online forums.

There are getting to be a bunch of new brands these days, especially from Asia.  I listen to others opinions before I try a new brand.  However, most of my modeling friends have been saying good things about these new Asian brands.

If I really want something from Lindberg or Glencoe, I try not to expect too much.  I have to really want the subject, and the price must not be very much.

 

Don Stauffer in Minnesota

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Posted by Bish on Friday, March 23, 2018 8:52 AM

hogfanfs
 

 

 
Bish

Sorry, but i just have to ask. Whats gypped?

 

 

 

 
 
 
gyp
jip/
informal
verb
past tense: gypped; past participle: gypped
  1. cheat or swindle (someone).
    "that's salesmanship, you have to gyp people into buying stuff they don't like"
 

Thanks Bruce, guess it must be an American thing, never heard of it.

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Posted by BlackSheepTwoOneFour on Friday, March 23, 2018 9:50 AM

Also meaning he got screwed. LOL!

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Posted by Cadet Chuck on Friday, March 23, 2018 10:45 AM

I believe the word is also derived from the wandering, nomadic group of people known as "Gypsies", based on the alledged way they did business.  It was not a complimentary reference.

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Posted by PFJN on Friday, March 23, 2018 11:15 AM

Hi,

Unfortunately it is also considered in some areas to be an insult as I believe it derived from negative ethnic slang, so "ripped off" may be a better term to use here.

 

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Posted by PFJN on Friday, March 23, 2018 11:27 AM

Hi,

This thread and another on "what was your first kit" got me remembering about some early kits I built.  Many of my early kits were cars from the local 5 & Dime that sold 1/32(?) scale cars that may have been Lindberg, Life Like, or AMT (I'm not sure).

Anyway, most of those kits were of older 1930s/40s era cars.  Once they got in a model for a newer (1960s/70s era) car, that I decided that I really wanted.  Unfortunately it was more expensive than the other kits so I had to save up my money.

Eventually, after (I thought) I had enough money I went to by it only to find that I was a bit short.  Eventhough my brother and the sales clerk both tried to convince me to by a cheaper model, I had my heart set on the more expensive "newer car" kit, so I think that my brother finally loaned me the extra 50-75 cents, that I needed.

I guess at the time I had only built the other (Lindbergh/Life-Like/etc) kits, and was probably expecting something similar.  Unfortunately when I got home and opened the kit up, I found the kit was a bit more "toy-like" than the kits I was used to. 

I guess its not that I felt "ripped off" or anything, but I did kind of feel a bit "bummed" I guess that it wasn't what I was hoping for. Sad

Pat

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Posted by BlackSheepTwoOneFour on Friday, March 23, 2018 11:46 AM

PFJN

Hi,

Unfortunately it is also considered in some areas to be an insult as I believe it derived from negative ethnic slang, so "ripped off" may be a better term to use here.

 

 

 

How does "screwed" or even "gypped" a negative ethnic slang? It's pretty common slang to say "You got screwed" (not in a sexual way *eye roll*) or even "You're screwed"... Just saying.... 

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Posted by richs26 on Friday, March 23, 2018 1:14 PM

BlackSheepTwoOneFour

 

 
PFJN

Hi,

Unfortunately it is also considered in some areas to be an insult as I believe it derived from negative ethnic slang, so "ripped off" may be a better term to use here.

 

 

 

 

 

How does "screwed" or even "gypped" a negative ethnic slang? It's pretty common slang to say "You got screwed" (not in a sexual way *eye roll*) or even "You're screwed"... Just saying.... 

 

Gypped comes from a derogatory term for the Romani people, otherwise known as Gypsies. Also gypo is another term used as one who buys stuff at extremely low prices.  Or works to undercut other people as in Gypo logger.  Wikipedia.  "Beggars, tramps, and thieves"....

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Posted by PFJN on Friday, March 23, 2018 1:52 PM

Hi,

Yes, I was referring to the wording used in the original post, and not the term "screwed".

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Posted by Bakster on Friday, March 23, 2018 4:22 PM

PFJN
I guess at the time I had only built the other (Lindbergh/Life-Like/etc) kits, and was probably expecting something similar.  Unfortunately when I got home and opened the kit up, I found the kit was a bit more "toy-like" than the kits I was used to.  I guess its not that I felt "ripped off" or anything, but I did kind of feel a bit "bummed" I guess that it wasn't what I was hoping for.

Bingo!!! Whoop! Whoop! Give this man a cigar!

You nailed it, Pat. That is exactly what happened, and right down to the manufacturer. 

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It was when I came out of shock that the gyyped feeling set in. Like ... this is a bad joke! Really? This is what you sold me?

Truly-- I could have done better with a gumball machine prize.

The box art was fun though. LOL

Live and learn. 

 

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Posted by stikpusher on Friday, March 23, 2018 5:37 PM

Ok, now I’m curious... which AMT kit was the inspiration for this thread? They have some good ones, and they have some doozies...

 

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Posted by Bakster on Friday, March 23, 2018 6:52 PM

stikpusher

Ok, now I’m curious... which AMT kit was the inspiration for this thread? They have some good ones, and they have some doozies...

 

Stik... I am reluctant to say because this sort of thing is very subjective. One mans garbage is another mans treasure. I don't want to offend anyone. This is why I have held off saying, and I would prefer to leave it as such with this thread. Along with that, I don't want to besmirch the company anymore than I already did. Enough has been said here that it should cause one to do more research before buying model kits. Apparently, I should have done the same. I should be clear about this. This kit is certainly useable. There are no defects that I have seen, as yet. For me, the "doozie" of this kit is that in my opinion, it is very very over priced for what you get.

Ah well. Maybe I am still stuck in the 70s and 80s. 

 

 

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Posted by stikpusher on Friday, March 23, 2018 7:39 PM

Hey, the 70’s and 80’s were fun. And I understand on your reasons to not identify the kit. No worries. In the long run, this hobby is very subjective. And what one person will fork over without thinking twice for a given kit/subject, will cause another person to gasp in astonishment. 

 

F is for FIRE, That burns down the whole town!

U is for URANIUM... BOMBS!

N is for NO SURVIVORS...

       - Plankton

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Posted by Bakster on Friday, March 23, 2018 8:16 PM

stikpusher

Hey, the 70’s and 80’s were fun. And I understand on your reasons to not identify the kit. No worries. In the long run, this hobby is very subjective. And what one person will fork over without thinking twice for a given kit/subject, will cause another person to gasp in astonishment. 

 

Amen to all of that. 

 

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