Gamera

You're right Rob. Normally I would but this was an impulse buy at a show. I was buying a couple things from the dealer and saw this resin kit of a Japanese experimental aircraft from a company I'd never heard of. Guess I should have looked it up on my phone but hey, it was thirty bucks and what the #$@#. I didn't expect a great kit but still I didn't expect that many sink and pin holes. Fixable with super glue but still a little surprising. Probably more mad at myself than the company for not checking a review first. 

That's understandable, it's almost like a one of a kind item that you may never see again, so you take a chance. I've used Future floor polish to coat resin that pin sink holes. It might take a couple coats on some surfaces. Bigger sink holes I'd use the super glue then use the future for a smooth surface.

Resin is always tricky when buying from a no name source.

Rob Gronovius

 

 

Gamera

Well to hopefully get back on track I bought a resin kit last year that was full of pinholes. Sure I can fix it but still for what I paid I was hoping for a little quality control. So yes I did feel a bit 'burned' by them. 

 

 

 

 

I always do a little research before buying a new kit. I'll check out prices on eBay, Sprue Brothers, Squadron, etc. I'll hit up various review sites unless I'm not truly concerned about it. For instance, my local Hobby Looby had an ancient Monogram M4A1 Sherman kit (I built one decades ago) for $7.50. I knew what I was getting. Likewise, I found a Moebius Iron Man and Monogram B-25 at Goodwill for a few bucks. I got them because they were good deals.

 

But if I am looking at buying a $50+ new armor model, I'm going to make sure that I have enough information to make an informed decision on that purchase.

 

You're right Rob. Normally I would but this was an impulse buy at a show. I was buying a couple things from the dealer and saw this resin kit of a Japanese experimental aircraft from a company I'd never heard of. Guess I should have looked it up on my phone but hey, it was thirty bucks and what the #$@#. I didn't expect a great kit but still I didn't expect that many sink and pin holes. Fixable with super glue but still a little surprising. Probably more mad at myself than the company for not checking a review first. 

Gamera

Well to hopefully get back on track I bought a resin kit last year that was full of pinholes. Sure I can fix it but still for what I paid I was hoping for a little quality control. So yes I did feel a bit 'burned' by them. 

 

But if I am looking at buying a $50+ new armor model, I'm going to make sure that I have enough information to make an informed decision on that purchase.

Well to hopefully get back on track I bought a resin kit last year that was full of pinholes. Sure I can fix it but still for what I paid I was hoping for a little quality control. So yes I did feel a bit 'burned' by them. 

Guys,

The OP has acknowledged his choice of terminology was potentially offensive and changed the phrasing of the thread's title. In light of his decision, let's get the thread back on track and steer away for arguments about political correctness. If it continues past this post, I will delete the entire discussion.

Regards, Aaron

My comments have been removed as it serves no relation to the original post.

However, I do stand by my original comments... Which no body can read, anymore.

richs26

 

 

BlackSheepTwoOneFour

 

 

richs26

 

 

BlackSheepTwoOneFour

 

 

PFJN

Hi,

Unfortunately it is also considered in some areas to be an insult as I believe it derived from negative ethnic slang, so "ripped off" may be a better term to use here.

 

 

 

 

 

 

How does "screwed" or even "gypped" a negative ethnic slang? It's pretty common slang to say "You got screwed" (not in a sexual way *eye roll*) or even "You're screwed"... Just saying.... 

 

 

 

 

Gypped comes from a derogatory term for the Romani people, otherwise known as Gypsies. Also gypo is another term used as one who buys stuff at extremely low prices.  Or works to undercut other people as in Gypo logger.  Wikipedia.  "Beggars, tramps, and thieves"....

 

 

 

 

 

Here we go again with the political correctness. Please, give me a break. Like anybody is gonna really know that gypped is a derogatory term to the Romani people in the 21st century. I say let bygones be bygones when it comes to political correctness. There's too much of that going on right now and it gets sickening and annoying.

 

 

 

 

Really, it is not political correctness.  It is called education and the derivation of words which is lacking in today's education.  You wouldn't use the N word or the J word today would you?

 

Good mornng, I’d like to have an argument

Hi,

Thanks for your thoughtfullness.  I didn't mean to cause any troubles either, it was just when the one poster indicated that it was a term he was unfamiliar with, I figured it made sense to let him know that it could be seen as potentially offensive by some.

As for you original post/topic, I think it was a good one because it has brought up mention of alot of resources that people can make use of to look into things before buying, while also highlighting that "one man's trash may be another man's treasure" or vice versa and that "even if a kit isn't necessarily bad, you can still feel let down if it wasn't quite what you were expecting".

And for me at least, it got me thinking about past kits of my youth enough that I actually went out and bought one of the old 1/32 car model kits that I had mentioned previously off eBay, just for nostaligia's sake 

Never in a million years did I think or know that "gyypd" is a derogatory term. I have changed it. I doubt that by doing so it will stop the bleeding. I'd prefer that this whole damn thread be deleted. If I had the power, that is exactly what I'd do. 

The fine line is slant and not fact. When certain facts and perspectives in formal education are presented on a subject, while others are left out, or minimized, it very much becomes indoctrination.

US exposure and history with actual Roma/Gypsies is minimal, compared to Europe’s. I had plenty during my time in the Balkans and zero here. Very eye opening to see the actual folks going about their daily activities. 

GMorrison

 

stikpusher

Well, one could easily debate language and words. What is offensive to one demographic, is not to another, even in the receiving end. Especially when generational differences are examined. And there is a very fine line between education and indoctrination.

But seeing how this is a modeling website, this is not the place for it.

 

 

 

 

I'd call that fine line "fact". 

 

There's a problem with this discussion in that the OP probably meant no disrespect to anyone using the term, so dragging it out might be seen as personal.

It's not. There are plenty of credible references about the basis of the term. We all get this stuff baked into us as we grow up. But it's not wrong to learn as we go.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Romanyism

And no, it's not an "American" thing. As noted above, anti-Romany discrimination is bigger in Europe. Not just political, but in educational policies, economic disparity and the "approximation" of blaming other transitory minorities, including the "Irish Travelers" in Britain.

So Bakster, you might consider revising the title of the post. 

 

 

When i said its an American thing, i meant the use of the word gypped, we would use otehr words and they would have no context to the groups you mention.

As for the discrimination of these groups in the UK at least, real or alleged, thats a whole other matter.

stikpusher

Well, one could easily debate language and words. What is offensive to one demographic, is not to another, even in the receiving end. Especially when generational differences are examined. And there is a very fine line between education and indoctrination.

But seeing how this is a modeling website, this is not the place for it.

 

There's a problem with this discussion in that the OP probably meant no disrespect to anyone using the term, so dragging it out might be seen as personal.

It's not. There are plenty of credible references about the basis of the term. We all get this stuff baked into us as we grow up. But it's not wrong to learn as we go.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Romanyism

And no, it's not an "American" thing. As noted above, anti-Romany discrimination is bigger in Europe. Not just political, but in educational policies, economic disparity and the "approximation" of blaming other transitory minorities, including the "Irish Travelers" in Britain.

So Bakster, you might consider revising the title of the post. 

stikpusher

Well, one could easily debate language and words. What is offensive to one demographic, is not to another, even in the receiving end. Especially when generational differences are examined. And there is a very fine line between education and indoctrination.

But seeing how this is a modeling website, this is not the place for it.

 

Exactly my point....

Well, one could easily debate language and words. What is offensive to one demographic, is not to another, even in the receiving end. Especially when generational differences are examined. And there is a very fine line between education and indoctrination.

But seeing how this is a modeling website, this is not the place for it.

BlackSheepTwoOneFour

 

 

richs26

 

 

BlackSheepTwoOneFour

 

 

PFJN

Hi,

Unfortunately it is also considered in some areas to be an insult as I believe it derived from negative ethnic slang, so "ripped off" may be a better term to use here.

 

 

 

 

 

 

How does "screwed" or even "gypped" a negative ethnic slang? It's pretty common slang to say "You got screwed" (not in a sexual way *eye roll*) or even "You're screwed"... Just saying.... 

 

 

 

 

Gypped comes from a derogatory term for the Romani people, otherwise known as Gypsies. Also gypo is another term used as one who buys stuff at extremely low prices.  Or works to undercut other people as in Gypo logger.  Wikipedia.  "Beggars, tramps, and thieves"....

 

 

 

 

 

Here we go again with the political correctness. Please, give me a break. Like anybody is gonna really know that gypped is a derogatory term to the Romani people in the 21st century. I say let bygones be bygones when it comes to political correctness. There's too much of that going on right now and it gets sickening and annoying.

 

Really, it is not political correctness.  It is called education and the derivation of words which is lacking in today's education.  You wouldn't use the N word or the J word today would you?

Bakster

Guys... This post is about me knowingly stepping into a pile of stink. I make no bones about it. I knew it would stink, I just didn't think it would stink this bad. But that too is on me. It's my bad for sure, I took the risk. This OP was meant to be a whimsical look at my stepping into it. Nothing more. I thought that I might envoke similar stories from other members. Such is the nature of posting. You never know what you are gonna get.

Carry on.

 

 

Don't worry about,no problems here.

I know.

Look, it’s probably an innocent comment, but that doesn’t mean it’s not worth pointing out

richs26

 

 

BlackSheepTwoOneFour

 

 

PFJN

Hi,

Unfortunately it is also considered in some areas to be an insult as I believe it derived from negative ethnic slang, so "ripped off" may be a better term to use here.

 

 

 

 

 

 

How does "screwed" or even "gypped" a negative ethnic slang? It's pretty common slang to say "You got screwed" (not in a sexual way *eye roll*) or even "You're screwed"... Just saying.... 

 

 

 

 

Gypped comes from a derogatory term for the Romani people, otherwise known as Gypsies. Also gypo is another term used as one who buys stuff at extremely low prices.  Or works to undercut other people as in Gypo logger.  Wikipedia.  "Beggars, tramps, and thieves"....

 

Here we go again with the political correctness. Please, give me a break. Like anybody is gonna really know that gypped is a derogatory term to the Romani people in the 21st century. I say let bygones be bygones when it comes to political correctness. There's too much of that going on right now and it gets sickening and annoying.

Guys... This post is about me knowingly stepping into a pile of stink. I make no bones about it. I knew it would stink, I just didn't think it would stink this bad. But that too is on me. It's my bad for sure, I took the risk. This OP was meant to be a whimsical look at my stepping into it. Nothing more. I thought that I might envoke similar stories from other members. Such is the nature of posting. You never know what you are gonna get.

Carry on.

A good example of a little research. I was very interested in the Hasegawa 2002. It’s a subject that isn’t common at all.

I know Hasegawa makes curbside models, and I’m ok with that although I do like building engines.

A couple of videos show that it’s also pretty much missing an interior, the doors don’t open.

Again. Fine, but youd want know this for $ 45.

Rarely, given the fantastic fit and detail on even midrange kits nowadays but it does happen sometimes. I recall the 1/48 SBD Hasagawa released a good number of years ago. Touted as the equal of the contemporary Accurate Models SBD kits it proved to be nothing of the sort. Many details were "soft" and much of the cockpit was flat-out wrong if not entirely spurious, while fit was atrocious. Felt totally gyped over that little horror.

No.

stikpusher

Not in a long time. It’s too easy to research a kit nowadays and have a real good idea of what’s in the box before you ever order. 

 

Yes, I've always been amazed that people will drive 5-10 miles out of their way to save a dime on a gallon of gas, but not think to grab their $400 smartphone out of their pocket to Google whether or not the $40 model kit is really worth $40.

Virtually any kit available today has been reviewed by someone or identified as a rebox as an old outdated kit.

stikpusher

Hey, the 70’s and 80’s were fun. And I understand on your reasons to not identify the kit. No worries. In the long run, this hobby is very subjective. And what one person will fork over without thinking twice for a given kit/subject, will cause another person to gasp in astonishment. 

 

Hey, the 70’s and 80’s were fun. And I understand on your reasons to not identify the kit. No worries. In the long run, this hobby is very subjective. And what one person will fork over without thinking twice for a given kit/subject, will cause another person to gasp in astonishment. 

stikpusher

Ok, now I’m curious... which AMT kit was the inspiration for this thread? They have some good ones, and they have some doozies...

 

Ah well. Maybe I am still stuck in the 70s and 80s. 

Ok, now I’m curious... which AMT kit was the inspiration for this thread? They have some good ones, and they have some doozies...

PFJN

I guess at the time I had only built the other (Lindbergh/Life-Like/etc) kits, and was probably expecting something similar.  Unfortunately when I got home and opened the kit up, I found the kit was a bit more "toy-like" than the kits I was used to.  I guess its not that I felt "ripped off" or anything, but I did kind of feel a bit "bummed" I guess that it wasn't what I was hoping for.

Bingo!!! Whoop! Whoop! Give this man a cigar!

You nailed it, Pat. That is exactly what happened, and right down to the manufacturer. 

It was when I came out of shock that the gyyped feeling set in. Like ... this is a bad joke! Really? This is what you sold me?

Truly-- I could have done better with a gumball machine prize.

The box art was fun though. LOL

Live and learn. 

Hi,

Yes, I was referring to the wording used in the original post, and not the term "screwed".