PROPER DICTION AND SPELLING ,AS WELL AS PUNCTUATION.

shrug, I see spelling in the title,,,,,,,,,and I don't see grammar in the title

but, yeah, I probably took "more offense than you intended"

in person, these convos don't get to this point,,,,,,,,right after someone says something that gets taken the least bit wrong, they either clarify right away, or the other person says "what was that?", and then the speaker changes the way he says it

I am still going to "shut up a bit" though,,,,,,,,,the next 47 things I think of to say go "against what people have always known" so much that they will just argue in defense of their own reps instead of adjusting the actual historical record online

TarnShip

in person, these convos don't get to this point,,,,,,,,right after someone says something that gets taken the least bit wrong, they either clarify right away, or the other person says "what was that?", and then the speaker changes the way he says it

Exactly!

See, you and I really do agree!

I have no idea how the OP has his head wired, but as the parent of a gifted dyslexic, I've learned over the last 20 years that while language skills seem to be the most commonly understood measure of "intelligence", they are in fact highly over rated as a true measure. Some people, maybe 10% of the population, just cannot perform well in writing.

I understand and agree with most of the posts here.  However, when reading my local news paper, my head just explodes.  Misspellings, wrong words being used, because of auto correct, and ABSOLUTELY  no proofreading, before submitting the articles.

        The problem with that theory, as I see it, if you write improperly here, you get in the habit of it and write that way all the time. There was a similar discussion over at ARC a few weeks ago. I have seen letters written inquiring about job opportunities written just like that person writes in texting and or the 'carefree' manner seen in forums. Granted, they were menial labor jobs, but.......  Typos and the like are one thing, but just being lazy and looking ignorant because you can is something entirely different.

hasn't happened to me

I can write just fine if I am writing a chapter, or various chapters scattered all over the book series, heck, I even "switch tech terms" to match which deployment I am writing about at the time,,,,,,the vacuum tube era had different terms than the solid state era, and topics that no longer exist

I even remember not to say "prolly" or use the comma ellispisese,,,,,,,,,,,,,when I am "writing for real"

when I post a technical item, I write it in proper TechSpeak for the time period of the aircraft I am writing about, then switch back to "Bug, Bug, SuperBug and ElectricBug" era when posting about today

professordeath

Think about it. When you meet someone in person their first impression of you is based on your appearance. Like it or not, that's how it is. I'm not suggesting that it's right or fair, but that's why being well groomed and dressed well is so important. When the first, and only in the case of forums, impression you are giving someone is based on your writing you'll just have to forgive me for forming a negative view because you can't type out "b4" or "l8tr."

You are exactly right. And that is why, to me, in my personal opinion, grammar and spelling and punctuation and all that stuff do matter. Since I am not meeting you in person, my opinion is based on your typed word. Does it have to be flawless? Of course not - I can't meet that standard, I won't hold anyone else to it. But I still prefer to read well written, concise, logical posts. It makes it easier to comprehend and, yes, I'll admit it, it impacts the 'image' I have in my mind of the person who wrote the post.

It seems like we simply draw our line for forming negative opinions in a different place. You reserve yours for those who use 'texting lingo'. Apparently, I'm not so forgiving (or perhaps I have higher standards - just kidding! It was a joke! Don't lose your &%#@ on me!!!!)

so very tempting to remove all temptation of clicking the FSM link again

we all know how,,,,,,,,just type very clearly and precisely,,,,,,,,one or two words

me am muchly sowwy that me am fawl fer twick of watching this thread sliddddddeeeee right back to where it was before da warnin' was a posted, doncha know

but, the cool part is,,,,,,it was done with "perfect diction, spelling and grammar",,,,,,,without a lick of comprehension on the part of the poster that he is just a "tad on the transparent side"

I wonder if there is a way to find out what the lurkers think of this?,,,,,,,most prolly won't type if they don't think they will type it "perfect enough" for about THREE people

OK, here we go...

I don't care about grammar, punctuation, or hanging whatevers. If I need information on a P-40 cockpit, or have information on a B-25 cockpit, and that information is passed on to someone who needs it, that's all I care about. After all, this is about sharing information, not about writing a thesis.

true opinion?,,,,,,,I think that the friggin' Elitists with their snobby agendas should be banned,,,,,,,and the normal modelers that do this for a relaxing hobby should be encouraged to type more

TarnShip

true opinion?,,,,,,,I think that the friggin' Elitists with their snobby agendas should be banned,,,,,,,and the normal modelers that do this for a relaxing hobby should be encouraged to type more

Ummm, I'm just a little curious though... by its very definition, isn't casting out a whole group of people becausee they see the world in a slightly different way than you do an elitist attitude? So would you not be banning yourself? Seems kind of extreme to me...but that is just my opinion, I could be wrong.

Hey guys,

Some of this will sound familiar, as I posted it in a similar thread by Tanker.

First, let's start by backing off the throttle a bit. No one is roving the forum with a copy of the "AP Style Guide" or the "Chicago Manual of Style" in hand and clubbing transgressors for their misdeeds. (However, if someone was, I'd recommend the CMS, because it is a weightier tome.) Further, no one is getting banned because they misspell words or confuse commas and apostrophes.

Also, commas baffle many people, including experts. All you have to do is look up the argument over the serial comma. (And while I've driven this bus to Comma Town, let's not stay for a visit, OK?)

As I said in the other thread, we all come to the forum with different skill levels, no matter if it's modeling, typing, grammar, spelling, or nose blowing (which I am exceptionally good at). Sometimes we rattle off responses on the keyboard at 22,000 words per minute because we have only a short time to get an idea out before it's back to minding the store. It's not always possible to reread a post and go back and correct the little mistakes, nor do we always want to.

Don't worry about it. I look at the posts on forums, ours included, like normal conversations that we might have in person. Often, we don't speak in complete sentences. There are pauses and ums and errs. There are exchanges of ideas, modifications to earlier statements, and reversals in opinion.

We do prefer people don't SHOUT in posts as a normal means of communication. It is harder to read and is part of our forum guidelines. If it is a persistent problem, we will talk to a member about it. But it's usually self-correcting because you guys are good about letting people know proper decorum.

Can posts be too cryptic? Certainly. Can they be written that way on purpose? Sure. However, what's awesome is that if we don't understand something that another member has written, we can ask for clarification. If it remains cryptic, don't answer it.

So, everyone, from an editor at FSM, let's cut each other a little slack when it comes to spelling and grammar and typing. If something doesn't make sense to you, just ask for clarification.

We're going to let this thread ride for the time being. You guys seem to want to hash some things out and have opinions to share. That's cool. It's been civil for the most part. Let's keep it that way. Don't deride other members or toss around accusations. It's really not worth it and just gets everyone's dander up.

Oh, and let's not hack on the forum either. If you're posting here, it's obviously still a place good enough for you to hang your hat. If you've got concerns, PM Aaron or me and we'll do our best to work it out for you.

Tim

Well said Tim.

well, Dr Brownii, you understood perfectly what I meant

and yes, it is a strong opinion,,,,,,my opinion is strongly biased towards all the folks that fall short of having a Doctorate being able to post and talk about models in a public forum of people that share the same relaxing hobby

I also wrongly believe that a hobby is "something to do that gets a person away from the stress of daily life",,,,,,so, I also wrongly believe that the hobby itself shouldn't add undue stress, instead of removing same

but, since you already knew all of that is what I meant, before you parsed comments, and then posted your laughing smileys at those posts,,,,,,,,,,you see my agenda, plain and simple, and loud and clear,,,,,,,,,your's just seems to be a bit more obvious than you think

again, I will type slowly,,,,,my agenda is inclusionary, your's is exclusionary (let me know when you meet a lot of inclusive people that are elitist, lol)

As I tell my dogs, "put your fur down".

Geez. Talk about hackles being raised.

The way I see it, it's simple.

First, I think it's common courtesy to compose posts in a way that others can understand. This being a forum, things can certainly be more casual, but being understandable should be a goal everyone can get behind, surely.

Second, I think it's common courtesy to give those who don't post understandably the benefit of the doubt, and ask them to clarify.

If this were a bar, and someone you were having a drink with said something that you couldn't make out, you wouldn't just turn your back and ignore them, or have them tossed out. You'd just say "what was that?"

Hey guys,

This thread has played itself out. Everything that needed to be said has been said.

Tim