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PAPER MODELS ?
Posted by tankerbuilder on Monday, December 9, 2013 8:55 AM

Hi :

   I know most of you have heard of them .Did you know that they have more ships than TAMIYA , HASEGAWA , REVELL , And REVELL of GERMANY put together , and many more types than are available in plastic .And they many times , Did it First . WhilemShaven did a 1/250 Container ship ( The CONTI BELGICA ) way before REVELL did the 1/700 Ship and they even made an extra package of containers available ! I have their KRONPRINZ in paper (1/200 ) so good , I am using the paper-model parts as patterns for a scratchbuilt plastic one . The nice part of Paper Modeling , besides the varied subjects is , if you are ailing , say you broke something or whatever and you cannot do the usual , You can get a bottle of ALEENS ( sticky ) Glue , a pair of scissors and tweezers and model away , doing no harm to the bed table or dining room table or kitchen counter !

      Now  , all that said There are those who are kinda sidelined , namely vehicle and armor guys .I can't help that , but for you plane guys , How about this , Papermodels of the airwing on a carrier in that scale ? Lotsa widdle biddy airplanes ! They make bigger ones too . I have two , (one I left Behind in the V.A. rec room at Martunez C.A.) and one I have at home . A LUFTHANSA 737 with Aluminun skin where it's supposed to be and even the turbofan blades that turn in 1/72 scale ! Dare you to tell  , till you're right up close that it's paper !

    The nice part about it too is you Can use P.E. It'sa trick but it looks good too . Most are printed in the right colors to start with and after spraying with craft clear they look every bit as good too .There are cars that can be gussied up with 1/24-1/25 parts and some light skinned military vehicles too ! ( none that I've seen in plastic ) on the latter .Then there is this .If you can draw you can create your own and correct simply along the way . I saw some at a show and they blew me away .How about a Brassin Cockpit in a paper plane .WOW !  Or a P-51 in full repair mode ( a damaged wing , With all the little frames and bent and mangled aluminum ( foil of course ) Now that's hard enough in plastic!

       The end result can sway anyone .Want to try something with a plastic kit ? Try it in paper first .That way you don't possibly ruin a very expensive chunk of your modeling budget ! I think even MIKEY likes it He! He!       Tanker - Builder    P.P.S.  150 papermodels fit in one desk drawer

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Posted by FocusOne on Tuesday, December 10, 2013 1:49 AM

I've got a 1/25 Maus tank paper model some time go.  The instructions are in Polish.  Don't know when I'll ever get into it

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Posted by Pawel on Tuesday, December 10, 2013 2:27 AM

Hello!

Poland rose to a major paper model power some years ago and is still going strong. there are companies like GPM, Fly Model, Kartonowy Arsenał, WAK and the oldest of them all - Mały Modelarz - since 1957! They do many ships in scales from 1:350 to 1:200, Aircraft in 1:33, tanks and wheeled vehicles in 1:25, some tanks in 1:16, and also rail vehicles and buildings. For many models there are vacu formed canopies and laser cut parts available. Recently there's a model of the Mi-24 chopper in 1:33 avaialable - you should see that!

On a side note, should you have problems with Polish instructions, drop me a note, I'll help you if only I have the time.

So that would be it, best greetings and have a nice day

Paweł

All comments and critique welcomed. Thanks for your honest opinions!

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Posted by Don Stauffer on Tuesday, December 10, 2013 9:14 AM

I am pretty far along on a WW2 Link Trainer model.  I am a pretty experienced modeler, but this is my first complex paper model.  Boy, am I a novice! It looks like junk!  I am mainly building it to help do scale drawings for a scratch multi-media version.  I am sure learning new skills via trial and error!

Some things I like about paper models;  Low cost is one, there are many free files online, run through your printer with cardstock.  If I screw up a part (or loose one), just reprint that page!  As someone else said, sure are a lot of diverse stuff out there!

Don Stauffer in Minnesota

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Posted by Sprue-ce Goose on Tuesday, December 10, 2013 10:01 AM

Pawel

Hello!

Poland rose to a major paper model power some years ago and is still going strong. there are companies like GPM, Fly Model, Kartonowy Arsenał, WAK and the oldest of them all - Mały Modelarz - since 1957! They do many ships in scales from 1:350 to 1:200, Aircraft in 1:33, tanks and wheeled vehicles in 1:25, some tanks in 1:16, and also rail vehicles and buildings. have the time.

Paweł

I would very much like to buy some of the Polish made paper , 1/25 scale armor kits but am uncertain who I can trust with my money for an online order.Hmm
Speaking of paper ships, here is one paper model entry at the Nov 2013 Butch O;Hare Contest :
The builder did a beautiful job on it.ToastBow Down
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Posted by Pawel on Tuesday, December 10, 2013 3:30 PM

See? That's what I was talking about - that Fuso came from a Polish publisher, Wydawnictwo Kartonowy Arsenał/Haliński. Their online shop is here:

www.halinski.com.pl/indexgb.php

There are also other companies, just as good:

http://gpm.pl/en

www.wak.pl/paper-models-c-1.html

modelik.pl/index.php

And others - not translated so well:

http://www.sklep.jsc.pl/

http://www.orlik-models.pl/

www.kartonowakolekcja.republika.pl

ksiegarniabytom.pl/.../844

www.renova-model.com.pl

Hope you can find something for you - and if you have language problems maybe I can help you - thanks for reading and have a nice day

Paweł

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Posted by wolfhammer1 on Tuesday, December 10, 2013 11:01 PM

That Fuso was an incredible piece of work.  The builder commented that it took him, if I remember correctly, something like 3 years and 3000 hours to build that model.   Wow!

John

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Posted by Don Stauffer on Wednesday, December 11, 2013 8:56 AM

I remember being beat out by a paper ship model at a big contest. I had entered a scratch built Great Lakes ore carrier that I was really proud of.  Did get second place, but a paper WW2 cruiser beat me out and walked away with first place!

Don Stauffer in Minnesota

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Posted by Raualduke on Wednesday, December 11, 2013 2:44 PM

Help me out here.that's not entirely paper,is it?

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Posted by Pawel on Thursday, December 12, 2013 1:46 AM

Raualduke - of course not. It has a solid cardboard inner structure and lots of parts soldered out of wire Big Smile

By the way - use of correct materials is very important to the build. So if you print your models at home, be sure to use paper, that's heavy enough, otherwise it won't work. You would want something slightly thinner than an average business part - or something like a magazine cover. Not all printers can handle correct material without wrinkling. Once I printed a paper model on a regular office paper, but then had to use spray glue to fix that paper to a correct strength material

Have a nice day!

Paweł

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Posted by Sprue-ce Goose on Thursday, December 12, 2013 9:14 AM

Though I did not ask the builder, I presumed from the start that the ship model was no more 100 percent paper.than any of the plastic models in the contest consisted of only 100 percent plastic.

It has been decades since I have seen a model entered into a contest that was exclusively made of plastic.

Hmmm.......now that I think of it, I believe the mid 1980s was the first time I was able to buy a plastic model airplane kit that contained not only plastic but photo etch and cast metal landing gear.Hmm

Starting to feel a bit old............Embarrassed

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Posted by tankerbuilder on Friday, December 13, 2013 9:15 AM

Hi:

 Listen , I have many of their models .All you have to do is find the exploded drawing and go from there .The Polish languge is not a barrier ! The paper model theme is simple Boxes , circles and tubes and a few more generic shapes . PAWEL , Here's something for you .I have most of my paper  models of really nice stuff  from Kartonowy Arsenal !

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Posted by tankerbuilder on Friday, December 13, 2013 9:19 AM

Hey ! Goose ;

  Don't feel bad .When My client sent me the TRUMPETER  - ARIZONA to build , Besides all the Plastic there was fifteen frets of P.E. he sent to detail it with ! Two came taped to the box he said .

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Posted by dirkpitt77 on Thursday, December 19, 2013 7:49 PM

I got turned on to paper models at Nats this year. Saw a table with some of them built up. The free ones you can print are especially appealing. I just need to do some serious searching and pick one out one of these days.

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Posted by stikpusher on Thursday, December 19, 2013 8:45 PM

There is a guy in the IPMS chapter here that does some fabulous paper models. Mostly ships, but a little of this and that as well.

 

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Posted by Sprue-ce Goose on Sunday, December 22, 2013 3:45 PM

Just wanted to refer everyone to an old thread dating from July 2012:

Home»Discussion Forums»Modeling Subjects»Armor»PzKpfw V PANTHER Modelik 27/10 (Paper model)

PzKpfw V PANTHER Modelik 27/10 (Paper model)

http://cs.finescale.com/fsm/modeling_subjects/f/3/p/148786/1589635.aspx#1589635

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Posted by seasick on Monday, December 23, 2013 12:18 AM

I had a beautiful 1/200 HMS Tiger that I built in the past from a paper kit. I was really impressed how they designed the paper so when you fold it you have a round gun barrel.

Chasing the ultimate build.

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Posted by Don Stauffer on Monday, December 23, 2013 8:51 AM

How do they do that?  With some paper kit brands that is the toughest challenge for me- round parts do not come out very round.

Don Stauffer in Minnesota

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Posted by Sprue-ce Goose on Monday, December 23, 2013 9:00 AM

I must presume the paper model builder must create a considerable number of jigs for support during paper folding and rolling.

Perhaps some round parts are designed so the ends butt together with an under-folded seam support? Hmm

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Posted by Pawel on Monday, December 23, 2013 9:36 AM

Naw, when rolling parts, when you got good paper, you just take a drill bit, a screwdriver or a piece of wire and roll the part around it. Cylinders and cones are no problem. OK, a gun barrel is a kind of challenge, but doable with good thin paper and some practice. Normally, with the exception of very small rolled parts, you make a separate "lip" you glue inside the part, so that the round part doesn't show a step or ridge, just a small seam, you usually conceal positioning it so as to look down and be in the shadow.

Have a nice day

Paweł

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Posted by Don Stauffer on Tuesday, December 24, 2013 8:45 AM

Do you need a lathe turned "mold" for tapered gun barrels?  The main batteries on most ships have tapered barrels- these are the ones I have so much trouble with.

Don Stauffer in Minnesota

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Posted by Sprue-ce Goose on Tuesday, December 24, 2013 10:47 AM

Don Stauffer

Do you need a lathe turned "mold" for tapered gun barrels?  The main batteries on most ships have tapered barrels- these are the ones I have so much trouble with.

a long time ago, I used the tapered plastic handles from cheap hobby paint brushes as "molds" .
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Posted by Pawel on Tuesday, December 24, 2013 2:02 PM

Don - it helps to have a tapered "master" - but isn't absolutely critical. You might just go with a cylindrical one, longer than the part you're making and a diameter equal or smaller to the smaller base of the cone.  Then you just start to roll the part, shifting it a small angle at different portions of the part. You start parallel to one edge, and end up paralel to the other edge. Then, while glueing, you concentrate to get a nice, even seam, it helps to keep the "master" inside the part. After that is done, while the glue is still wet, you shape the already closed part and shape it to be smooth and perfectly round, and that should do it.

Hope it helps, have a nice day - and merry Christmas, by the way!

Paweł

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Posted by Sprue-ce Goose on Monday, July 14, 2014 6:21 PM

Here is another amazing example of a paper model................Toast

................a T-72b on a flat bed rail carSurprise

http://www.rctankwarfare.co.uk/forums/viewtopic.php?f=82&t=9913

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Posted by CN Spots on Monday, July 14, 2014 7:07 PM

I'd bet my house that was plastic. Amazing work.

Does humidity not affect these things?

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Posted by tankerbuilder on Tuesday, July 15, 2014 9:06 AM

Hody Pawel :

    I have to tell you my friend , that over half of my really interesting little ships and two big ones are Maly Modelarz ! they have nice assembly drawings if one doesn't speak Polish  . Shoot , I've even thought about learning that and Portuguese too .

  Thank You for the input   Tanker - Builder

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Posted by tankerbuilder on Tuesday, July 15, 2014 9:14 AM

Hi :

    Pawel probably knows  .Now for me As I build I spray the parts with Clear craft spray as I do it . This way the whole thing is protected from moisture ( I/e Humidity ).  One final spray when totally finished and there you have it .

     I have a full hull , two Masted ship I built years ago and didn't spray The paper tube masts bent . I went and put a brass rod inside to straighten it and sprayed the heck out of them .They've stayed true for about ten years now .

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Posted by Pawel on Tuesday, July 15, 2014 4:47 PM

Howdy!

Well if you're living in a jungle, then the humidity would probably be something to watch for... But I just got out of a flat that was so humid that I had problems with maintaining my clothes in the closets in a wearable condition. Still, the paper aircraft I had (uncoated!) sat there for seven years without a problem. So that's not a big thing. Well built paper models have lots of "frames" inside them, to keep them stiff, that helps, too. Those masts that bent probably did this because of the combination of humidity and load.

Thanks for reading and have a nice day!

Paweł

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Posted by tankerbuilder on Thursday, July 17, 2014 7:21 AM

Well , Good Morning PAWEL !

Here I sit replying again ! It's 7;10 A.M. my time .I got to thinking , ( I know , for an old curmudgeon like me that's dangerous ) You know of course , that ship moved across country twice too ! I believe you may be right !Thread ( even silk fly fishing line ) is affected by humidity.

   The thing is fully rigged including running and standing rigging . Still one of my favorites . The objects you can get are somewhat daunting sometime .I was thinking of DON'S reply when I looked at my Nuclear Plant ( The cutaway model ) There's about twenty or more inches of piping visible on it . I learned real quick how to make tubes ( I/e Pipes ).

     I also use this trick .I dampen the paper after I've cut it to size ( with a little overage ) and using rubber bands let it dry after rolling it around something like a piece of brass tubing .That has worked for me many years now . . There's a Paper-Model website and one fellow was building a humongous freighter ! It was a training tool used by the British Maritime to make sure crewmen knew their ship top to bottom in the Merchant Navy .It's over five foot long ! Every frame , doubler and flange is there , believe you me . Well , You have a good day and thanks for following this . Tanker - Builder

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