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  • Member since
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  • From: Bury St Edmunds, Suffolk, England
Posted by Bish on Wednesday, September 30, 2020 3:07 AM

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Germany and WWII. So many opinions. For mine I think it comes down to superior equipment and tactics in some areas, poor strategic decisions, an apparent inability to mass produce, political interferance, hate based policies and severely flawed use of their tactical forces. I also agree with Bish. The war with Britain was a sideshow that Hitler  did not want. For those who are interested I can thoroughly reccomend 'Hitler's War Directives'. A bit dry but hugely informative. Straight from the horse's mouth, so to speak.

 

I don't think the Germans had an inability to mass produce, they just didn't think it nessacery. In 1940, 41 Germany was still produceing household good such as pots and pans when the UK had moved to a complete war footing. Germany also didn't get woman in the factories as other did. Germany was able to mass produce later in the war, albeit with the help of slave labour, but by then they didn't have the fuel to power the machines or the experiance men to crew them. Germany was never going to out produce the combined might of the British Empire let alone the USSR and USA.

IMHO, Germany's biggest weakness was arrogance, especially at the top of the party. They simply believed that Britain would sit back and let them dominate eastern Europe, but for the best part of 400 years we had been fighting war in Europe to provent one power being dominant and so a threat to the Empire. And the beliefe that the USSR would simply collapse. Combine that with bad allies that you have to bail out of the mess of their own making, and your on to a hideing rfrom the start.

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Posted by GreySnake on Wednesday, September 30, 2020 7:08 AM

Bish

 

 
 

 

I don't think the Germans had an inability to mass produce, they just didn't think it nessacery. In 1940, 41 Germany was still produceing household good such as pots and pans when the UK had moved to a complete war footing. Germany also didn't get woman in the factories as other did. Germany was able to mass produce later in the war, albeit with the help of slave labour, but by then they didn't have the fuel to power the machines or the experiance men to crew them. Germany was never going to out produce the combined might of the British Empire let alone the USSR and USA.

 

Germany didn’t have the ability to mass produce like the U.S or Soviets due to a lack of resources. They had enough manpower with a lot of Europe under control for a time without a way to utilize the manpower. Declining to put women in war production at the start of the war I don’t see having any effect at all as they didn’t need the extra labor till mid 1943 and by then the war was lost already. I haven’t dug far enough into wartime German production researching what German was producing at the start of the war such as household goods, cosmetics etc and if that is accurate or not. Albert Speer Minister of Armaments from 1942-1945 brought that up in Inside the Third Reich and like every high ranking German leader postwar he knows exactly what should have been done and Hitler was a madman (not saying he was not) and because he said he was sorry at Nuremberg he became trustworthy in the public eye at the time. 
 
 
Germany really shot itself in the foot starting in 1933 autarky (A policy of national self-sufficiency and nonreliance on imports) was instituted. A very good document on the German economy that I believe you can get free as a PDF is The Vampire Economy by Gunter Reimann. You must read the book understanding that the author is coming from a Marxist-Socialist viewpoint while reading. He lived in Germany and went underground after the Reichstag Fire Decree were he went into hiding and wrote his book and published it shortly before invasion of Poland. Because Germany couldn’t trade with other countries you have things described such as trucks from the U.S I believe having to be bought with money delivered to Germany and the tires taken off because of a shortage of rubber.
 
 
Oil played a massive part in the inability of the German armies to conquer the Soviet Union. The Germans didn’t stockpile enough oil before the start of WWII (I believe they had half the amount calculated needed) and after the fall of France they were facing an energy crisis as they had to supply both Germany and the countries they just conquered. General Eduard Wagner, the Army Quartermaster General told Franz Halder Chief of Staff that once war started with the Soviets Germany only had enough oil stocks for two months of large scale offensives. That was why the original plans for the invasion of the Soviet Union were to focus on the Caucuses to get the oil fields however Halder altered orders to make Moscow a priority since he believed if the Germans took Moscow they would surrender like the French did once Paris was taken. He would have done well to remember the Russians didn’t surrender when Napoleon took Moscow.
 
edit Günter Reimann wrote his book in London in 1939. It seems he fled Germany in 1934. I still need to look into this further. 
 
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