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Posted by DURR on Friday, September 26, 2008 9:28 PM
 BGuy wrote:

Awesome reply, dude.  I'm pretty lazy myself.  I can't believe how a lot of projects featured in magazines go like this:

SoapBox [soapbox]

1) Buy an expensive kit
2) Buy extra PE for the expensive kit
3) Buy extra resin for the expensive kit
4) Buy extra decals for the expsnsive kit
5) Throw away half the remaining parts in the expensive kit (because they have like 13 rivets here, not 14--stupid kit designers!)
6) Replace the discarded parts with stuff you scratchbuilt and/or
7) Parts cannibalized from *another* expensive kit
8) Etc.

Ok, so I'm a bitter merely-intermediate modeller with little patience and insufficient resources for projects like that.  I'd rather glorify my own laziness than spend $800 and two years on a project followed by a nice, pricey divorce. Tongue [:P]

 

 

 

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Posted by Borg R3-MC0 on Wednesday, September 24, 2008 2:29 AM

I think I am an intermediate modeller that tries to push the envelope. I use resin and PE, build vacform kit, scratch build parts etc. but I can also screw up...big time!

Since I started working I have less time for my modelling. Some of my older models are better then current models. I am lucky when I get 2 hours of modelling time in a week. That does not help to improve or sustain once skills.

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Posted by qmiester on Sunday, September 21, 2008 12:07 AM
I guess I'm what might be called a "Some days you're the hammer, Some days you're the nail" kinda modeler - I build one model I'm very, very pleased with, then the next 4 or 5 will range from "It's ok I guess" to "It's good enough for government work" to "What the heck was I thinking/doing?".  But I still have fun.
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Posted by USArmyFAO on Wednesday, September 17, 2008 1:39 AM
I would say that I can do (and have done) an advanced job depending on the time available BUT I find that time available continues to decrease as my kids get older.  Therefore, I just build out of the box, for fun, don't sweat the aftermarket stuff or accuracy, do my best on the finishes, try new techniques, and build to a personally saitsifactory level (probably around intermediate).  Maybe when the girls are off to college, I suppose... :)

Cheers, Matt

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Posted by Mike H. on Tuesday, September 16, 2008 9:47 PM
I build for my own enjoyment.  I've gotten a couple second and third places, but at the end of the day, I don't do it for the awards.
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Posted by DesertRat on Tuesday, September 16, 2008 8:55 PM
I'm really not one to brag about myself at all. So I would say I fall somewhere between a really good beginner, or a mediocre intermediate. I'll be the first to admit a vast majority of guys and ladies posting here can outbuild me any day of the week! But as long as I am increasingly happy with each build, that's all that really counts to meThumbs Up [tup]

Warmest regards,

Roger

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Posted by smeagol the vile on Monday, September 15, 2008 9:22 AM

I dont like those definitions.  They seem more 'for this contect' kind of ones.  There are people out there that are absolutley amazing, but cant Afford the PE or the Resin kits.  That doesnt make them that category?  Things like that bug me.

Personally, for myself.  I think im more an 'advancing' modeler.  I keep trying new stuff and doing new stuff while improving my skills, like everyone here.  We are never really in any category unless we stop building.  Its like... Look at Beethoven.  He gets his own chapter in text books because he started doing classical music, then tried something new, basicly starting the Romantic era himself.  If he had of just stoped trying new stuff.  Thats sort of why I dont think any of us fit into a category as long as we keep building.  Even though, there is a ceiling.  There are one or two peolpe here (wont mention names we ALL know who they are) that can be considered masters (not saying that they cant still improve) of their chosen medium in model building.  The kind that go and give lecture type things on diffrent tecniques, like weathering.  Or a wierd penny who has a WIP that has the ENTIRE FORUM enraptured in it's building. Even if they are to modest to admit it

 

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Posted by doc-hm3 on Monday, September 15, 2008 8:54 AM
 I'm a two steps forward and one step back kinda modeler.Sign - Oops [#oops]

All gave some and some gave all.

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Posted by ModelFreak38 on Thursday, August 28, 2008 8:22 AM

A few "Best of shows", A lot of 1st places, lots of 2nd and 3rds, always walked away from a show with some type of award. After 20+ years of building and painting...... I guess I'm pretty good.Smile [:)]

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Posted by MrSquid2U on Thursday, August 28, 2008 7:24 AM
While not answering to the point of your thread perhaps, I've always hoped to be thought of by my peers as 'competent'. Of course I'm never satisfied with my own work, always striving to do better and excersise new techniques and hoping that somehow each new finished project might look a little better than what I had done before. But while I hope to be called competent I sometimes hear crazy or insane instead? So many amateur psychiatrists around me it seems?Tongue [:P]

       

 

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Posted by tempestjohnny on Wednesday, August 20, 2008 7:57 PM
I consider myself between intermediate and advanced.  Good enough for advanced lazy enough for intermediate.  And all of my kits look awesome from four feet away.

 

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Posted by prowannab on Wednesday, August 20, 2008 7:08 PM
Like the name says, I want to be a pro, but am happy living in the  " that looks nice " world!!!!!
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Posted by JMart on Tuesday, August 19, 2008 5:40 PM

Al - thanks for the info, I plan on being there but will probably wont enter anything (yet!), I have only couple builds under me but Im always in a "learning" mode... cheers

 

 

 

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Posted by BGuy on Tuesday, August 19, 2008 12:38 PM
By the way, for anybody also wondering about Toronto events--forget it.  All the local chapters in the area seem to have an allergy for the city itself and are all at least dozens of kilometers out of town.

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Posted by ajlafleche on Tuesday, August 19, 2008 12:25 PM

 JMart wrote:
Within the AMPS "Intermediate" level, do you get feedback from the judges? may be worth to enter even with zero chance of winning just to get some comprehensive expert feedback.

The only AMPS event I've been to is AMPS East in eastern New York and Western Connecticut. Each judge is expected to add a commnent to the judging sheet which is available at the end of the show, I don't know if other AMPS chapters do that. Since it will be in your general neighborhood, by all means, bring some stuff in.

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Posted by JMart on Tuesday, August 19, 2008 12:17 PM
Within the AMPS "Intermediate" level, do you get feedback from the judges? may be worth to enter even with zero chance of winning just to get some comprehensive expert feedback.

 

 

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Posted by ww2modeler on Tuesday, August 19, 2008 12:09 PM
I guess I'd be a cross between beginner and intermediate. Mainly concering AM stuff but I'm getting into some PE now so probobly on a grading scale a C or C+

On the bench:

1/35 Tamiya M26 Pershing-0%

1/144 Minicraft P-38J Lightning-50%

Numerous 1/35 scale figures in various stages if completion.

 

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Posted by BGuy on Tuesday, August 19, 2008 12:08 PM
Thanks so much for the official defs, ajlafleche.  I guess by their definitions right now I'm technically at the "basic" level but after a first showing I'd be quickly shunted up into the intermediate category.  Speaking of shows, does anybody know if the IPMS is doing any kind of a "big model thing" in the Toronto area anytime soon?

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Posted by ajlafleche on Tuesday, August 19, 2008 11:58 AM

 Tankmaster7 wrote:
The way I look at it, I'm always going to be a beginner...

Sign - Off Topic!! [#offtopic]Hey, Tankmaster, I like the Darwin fish...Saw this one the other day  Big Smile [:D]

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Posted by Tankmaster7 on Tuesday, August 19, 2008 11:54 AM
The way I look at it, I'm always going to be a beginner...
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Posted by the doog on Tuesday, August 19, 2008 11:52 AM
Well, then given the AMPS designations, I would guess that I'm "Advanced".
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Posted by ajlafleche on Tuesday, August 19, 2008 10:05 AM

The AMPS definitions:

  • JUNIOR -- modelers under the age of 17 that do not wish to compete in one of the other categories.

  • BASIC - modelers new to the hobby or those who display basic modeling skills. Modelers at this level generally build straight from the box - or with a few minor tweaks - and are people that have never competed before or are new to the hobby. The BASIC level is the introductory level to the AMPS system and serves to allow members that are developing their modeling skills to be evaluated and encouraged through the feedback provided by the AMPS judging system. Modelers may participate once at the BASIC level for their first AMPS show, where they will learn about the AMPS system and receive useful comments about how to build better models; afterward they will move on to the INTERMEDIATE level.

  • INTERMEDIATE - models built by the majority of modelers; those of average to above average skill levels and who have some work to improve the model, or have won before in other shows. Models built by modelers at this level show some modifications, changes, commercial upgrades or conversion work. INTERMEDIATE level modelers move to the ADVANCED level upon winning a Gold Medal in the INTERMEDIATE level of competition. An INTERMEDIATE modeler does some or all of these:

    1. Adds photoetched and/or resin aftermarket details

    2. Uses aftermarket conversion kits.

    3. Scratchbuilds details and makes modifications to accurize kits.

    4. Routinely uses reference material for ideas and accurizing.

    5. Capable of cross-kitting for variations and to improve model.

    6. Demonstrates increasing skill with adhesives and paints.

    7. Builds full resin kits.

    8. Developing presentation skills. Models are displayed on complimentary bases and figures are used to give life and sense of scale.

  • ADVANCED - models by very skilled modelers whose entries are heavily reworked, accurized, or display a great deal of non-commercial parts and or modifications. The evaluations of this class will be quite strenuous with accuracy and fidelity being the primary differentiators from INTERMEDIATE. An ADVANCED modeler does all of the things done by INTERMEDIATE level modelers plus these:

    1. Major scratchbuilding from references.

    2. Casts own replacement parts.

    3. Well-developed construction and painting skills.

    4. Well-developed presentation skills

    5. Artistic use of materials and space.

  • MASTERS - models by those modelers who have consistently demonstrated themselves to be the very best. Modelers are selected for this level by achievement and are held on a list maintained by the AMPS leadership. Accession to MASTERS level is by receiving the "Judges' Best of Show" award at the AMPS National Convention.

  • Typical figure show level: (Miniature Figure Collectors of America)

  • The Standard Level

    The Standard Level is for all artists with varying degrees of modeling skills who prefer not to exhibit in the advanced level. It typically includes but is not limited to painted stock figures, major and minor modifications, original sculpture, dioramas, ordnance and alike. All exhibits are judged on an equal basis for pewter medals, awards of excellence and certificates of merit.

    Certificates of Merit - Standard Level

    Awards for Excellence - Standard Level

    Pewter Medals - Standard Level

    This area is undergoing extensive revision to encourage more participation in the exhibit by journeymen painters and sculptors.

    The Advanced Level

     

    The Advanced Level is intended for artists of proven skill and ability. It is divided into three divisions: Painters Division, Open Division, and Ordnance Division (Ordnance is now sub-divided into Painters, for stock kits and Open for heavily converted and scratchbuilt vehicles.). Gold, Silver and Bronze Medals and Awards of Excellence are awarded in each.

    Ordnance Division (Painters)

    Ordnance Division (Open)

    Painters Division

    Open Division

    The Advanced Level is intended for artists of proven skill and ability. It is divided into three divisions: Painters Division, Open Division, and Ordnance Division (Ordnance is now sub-divided into Painters, for stock kits and Open for heavily converted and scratchbuilt vehicles.). Gold, Silver and Bronze Medals and Awards of Excellence are awarded in each.

    Ordnance Division (Painters)

    Ordnance Division (Open)

    Painters Division

    Open Division

     

  • The Washington Show
  • The Main Exhibition is divided into three levels of ability: Junior, General, and Advanced. Different display areas are set aside and labeled for each of this groups. Exhibitors are free to enter their work at whichever level they choose, but all exhibits must be entered at the same level. Exhibitors are free to move up or down a level from one year to the next, regardless of the awards they may have won the at previous shows.

    AWARDS AT THE JUNIOR LEVEL

    The Junior level is intended for novice painters under the age of 18. All qualified exhibits receive Certificates of Merit. The three judges make their decisions by consensus, and may give as many or as few awards as they feel the exhibits merit.

    AWARDS AT THE GENERAL LEVEL

    The General level is for painters of more developed skills, who don't feel quite ready to exhibit their work at the Advanced level. The General level awards consist of Pewter Medals and Certificates of Merit. As at the Junior level, the three judges make their decisions by consensus, and may give as many or as few awards as they choose.

    AWARDS AT THE ADVANCED LEVEL

    The Advanced level is geared to modelers of proven ability who have won awards at similar exhibitions in the past. Exhibits at this level are entered in one of three divisions: Open, Painters, and Ordnance.

    Gold, Silver, and Bronze Medals and Certificates of Merit are awarded in each division. Modelers exhibiting at the Advanced Level are free to enter their work in all four divisions.

    In the Painters Division, judging is based entirely upon painting skill. Although scratchbuilt and converted figures are not excluded, they are judged as if they were stock commercial castings. The Open Division, on the other hand, is intended primarily for scratchbuilt and converted figures, vignettes, and dioramas; exhibits are judged on equal measures of imagination and skill.

    The Ordnance Category is for models without figures, such as aircraft, tanks, cars, and ships. Figures may be included, but they will not be considered in the judging.

  • Remember, if the women don't find you handsome, they should at least find you handy.

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    Posted by Rob Gronovius on Tuesday, August 19, 2008 9:36 AM

    I'm a casual modeler. I model for fun and to the level of detail that feel like putting into the kit at the time I finish it. I can crank out fully detailed contest winners in any scale (got a box full of meaningless trophies), but I often just build a kit out-of-box and place it on the display shelf until I get tired of it. Then it goes back into an old box, often never to see the light of day.

    Sometimes just cranking out a kit OOB is fun to me. Other times adding meticulous details, both aftermarket and scratchbuilt, is fun. It all depends on my mood at the time and my fondness of the subject matter I am working on.

    I guess if I were to use your terms, I would place myself between "advanced" and "expert", but the vast majority of the kits I build are to the "intermediate" standard.

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    Posted by Eion on Tuesday, August 19, 2008 5:41 AM

    Though I am just back into the hobby I would say I am mid level.

    Why? Because though bloody awful, I still manage to get the glue and paint to go where I want and not spill it on the dining room table. . .so far.

     

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    Posted by the doog on Monday, August 18, 2008 9:37 PM
     sfcmac wrote:
     BGuy wrote:

    Ok, so, given that everybody here (myself included) seems to think of themselves as merely intermediate while other "intermediate" people judge us more advanced--what defines an advanced or expert modeller? Does anybody dare to try and lay out a definiton?

    Discussion please? 

     I really do think that the AMPS Judge told me right. You compete against yourself to see how far you can push your skills. I mean line everyone up. Give them the same model tools, research and such what do you have? A bunch of the same thing over and over I Would think, but if you insist here goes!

    1. Beginner---- Builds with glue and paint all over his fingers and totally afraid to use aftermarket parts, resin or PE. Tools are glue and a Hobby knife.

    2. Intermediate----- Likes to experiment. Shows some thought to overcoming issues. Researches the subject enough to see his mistakes after the fact. Fixes what he can. Uses AM parts and Pe as long as they are easy.

    3. Advanced--- Researches everything!  To the point he can recognize when the Germans used the wrong thread screw on a BMW fender brace. Has all aftermarket parts handy and is not afraid to use them!

    4. Expert----- same as 3 but is not satisfied with After market parts or kit options and scratch builds his own parts!

    5. Master--- the highest level of Modeler! Can do everything and anything with almost nothing.

    However he always builds straight from the box with paint and glue all over his fingers trying to reduce the size of his still growing stash.

    There you have it. As you see it comes full circle so why worry about it? Laugh [(-D]

    btw I am still in the DAD! That's just crazy! category. Dunce [D)]

    LOL! Great post! Big Smile [:D]
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    Posted by JMart on Monday, August 18, 2008 4:28 PM

    Im a stretched sprue above beginner but waaaaaay on the master level on the "having fun and relaxing" scale ;)

    I alphabetize Doog's pigments...when he lets me! ;)

     

     

     

     

     

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    Posted by bayoutider on Monday, August 18, 2008 3:14 PM
     sfcmac wrote:
     BGuy wrote:

    Ok, so, given that everybody here (myself included) seems to think of themselves as merely intermediate while other "intermediate" people judge us more advanced--what defines an advanced or expert modeller? Does anybody dare to try and lay out a definiton?

    Discussion please? 

     I really do think that the AMPS Judge told me right. You compete against yourself to see how far you can push your skills. I mean line everyone up. Give them the same model tools, research and such what do you have? A bunch of the same thing over and over I Would think, but if you insist here goes!

    1. Beginner---- Builds with glue and paint all over his fingers and totally afraid to use aftermarket parts, resin or PE. Tools are glue and a Hobby knife.

    2. Intermediate----- Likes to experiment. Shows some thought to overcoming issues. Researches the subject enough to see his mistakes after the fact. Fixes what he can. Uses AM parts and Pe as long as they are easy.

    3. Advanced--- Researches everything!  To the point he can recognize when the Germans used the wrong thread screw on a BMW fender brace. Has all aftermarket parts handy and is not afraid to use them!

    4. Expert----- same as 3 but is not satisfied with After market parts or kit options and scratch builds his own parts!

    5. Master--- the highest level of Modeler! Can do everything and anything with almost nothing.

    However he always builds straight from the box with paint and glue all over his fingers trying to reduce the size of his still growing stash.

    There you have it. As you see it comes full circle so why worry about it? Laugh [(-D]

    btw I am still in the DAD! That's just crazy! category. Dunce [D)]

     Sir I think you nailed it. Bow [bow]

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    Posted by sfcmac on Sunday, August 17, 2008 11:28 PM
     BGuy wrote:

    Ok, so, given that everybody here (myself included) seems to think of themselves as merely intermediate while other "intermediate" people judge us more advanced--what defines an advanced or expert modeller? Does anybody dare to try and lay out a definiton?

    Discussion please? 

     I really do think that the AMPS Judge told me right. You compete against yourself to see how far you can push your skills. I mean line everyone up. Give them the same model tools, research and such what do you have? A bunch of the same thing over and over I Would think, but if you insist here goes!

    1. Beginner---- Builds with glue and paint all over his fingers and totally afraid to use aftermarket parts, resin or PE. Tools are glue and a Hobby knife.

    2. Intermediate----- Likes to experiment. Shows some thought to overcoming issues. Researches the subject enough to see his mistakes after the fact. Fixes what he can. Uses AM parts and Pe as long as they are easy.

    3. Advanced--- Researches everything!  To the point he can recognize when the Germans used the wrong thread screw on a BMW fender brace. Has all aftermarket parts handy and is not afraid to use them!

    4. Expert----- same as 3 but is not satisfied with After market parts or kit options and scratch builds his own parts!

    5. Master--- the highest level of Modeler! Can do everything and anything with almost nothing.

    However he always builds straight from the box with paint and glue all over his fingers trying to reduce the size of his still growing stash.

    There you have it. As you see it comes full circle so why worry about it? Laugh [(-D]

    btw I am still in the DAD! That's just crazy! category. Dunce [D)]

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    Posted by DrewH on Sunday, August 17, 2008 10:43 PM
    Well I guess I'm on the second level. Just because it happens to be between two bedrroms means nothing Sign - With Stupid [#wstupid]
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