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Tragedy turned into an opportunity - Stripping complete

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  • Member since
    October 2008
  • From: SE Pennsylvania
Posted by padakr on Wednesday, January 28, 2009 4:04 PM

Finished stripping this afternoon (my daughter's school was cancelled due to snow/ice, and I decided to "work from home").  The final result:

Ended up with way more parts than I started.  I probably need a more gentle hand when it comes to wielding the toothbrush.

At this point, I plan to take this project over to the aircraft forum.  I am mulling ideas around in my head of what I want to do.  I will continue to try some new techniques.  Working on a model that was going to go into the trash bin is liberating.  As I keep telling myself, I can't make it worse.

 

  • Member since
    October 2008
  • From: SE Pennsylvania
Posted by padakr on Tuesday, January 27, 2009 4:19 PM

Doog, thanks for the tip.  I picked up a bottle of Simple Green at the grocery store on my way home from work yesterday.  I didn't quite read/remember your post, because while you said "immerse", I was thinking "spray". 

Anyway, I liberally spray the model parts with simple green and left it overnight (and through the next day).  Didn't get back to it until this afternoon.

I donned my new rubber gloves (I figure this stuff is way less bad than the mineral spirits, but no sense getting my hands all messed up) and took a toothbrush to the parts.  After rinsing I noticed that the paint removal was patchy (and it was at that point I remembered that Doog did say immerse).  You can see the results:

And flip them over...

Overall I was very pleased with the result.  The stuff did the job (where it was allowed to stay in contact with the paint).  While figuring out how to soak the whole thing, I decided to remove the rest of the canopy, the flight deck, and the prop, to make it easier.

I didn't want to take a big bucket and fill the thing with Simple Green (I didn't have enough and I thought it would a waste).  So I liberated a plastic container from the kitchen that still had a few drink powder mixes in it.  It was in the back of the cabinet, so I don't think the wife will notice.  I put all of the smaller parts in the bottom, stuffed the wings and fuselage standing vertical, and filled to half way up the wings.  Since I can't get the whole thing immersed, I'll probably have to do this in stages.

Lessons learned this time:

  1. When Doog offers advice, read all of the words.
  2. Simple Green is fantasic.
  3. Find bigger bottles of Simple Green.

More later, thanks for looking.

 

  • Member since
    January 2007
Posted by the doog on Sunday, January 25, 2009 7:15 PM
Simple Green will remove the paint. Get it at Lowe's or a similar hardware store. Immerse the model in it overnight; it will be bare in the morning.
  • Member since
    October 2008
  • From: SE Pennsylvania
Posted by padakr on Sunday, January 25, 2009 6:21 PM

Okay, here is phase 2.  Here are some close-ups of the original detailing.   Note the bad decals (both from age and from my bad application, I can't blame the actual decals for everything).  And the paint job - brush strokes, uneven coverage.

So, the first thing I did was open my new can of odorless mineral spirits.  Not really odorless, but not too bad.  I am trying it as a substitute for the little (expensive) bottles of Testors paint thinner.  Poured some into a bucket and started applying it to the model using a coffee filter as a rag.  Why a coffee filter?  That is another experiment.  I got an e-mail from my Mom extolling the multitude of uses a coffee filter can be used for.  Didn't really read it, but one thing jumped out at me:  They are lint free.  So I am trying them out as a substitute for paper towels or cotton balls.  Anyway, after a while of rubbing away I have this:

Not really making much headway, so I toss the coffee filters, and bring in a toothbrush.  As I am scrubbing away, the paint starts to "fade" and come up in spots.  Also, parts start to come off.  I remember that I have used thinner before as a glue solvent, so I think that it isn't a big deal, I'll just glue things back on after.  I keep scrubbing, and more paint comes off, and so do more parts, and some of the parts start to break.  At that point I think maybe the solvent in mineral spirits isn't great for long term exposure to plastic.  I rinse everything off and end up with:

 

Lessons learned:

  1. The vinyl disposable gloves my wife buys are:  too small for me and react with the mineral spirits and harden (and leak).  I need to get myself some large rubber gloves for this kind of thing.
  2. Mineral spirits aren't the best thing to use to strip paint.  Or I just don't know how to use them properly.  More research needed.
  3. Coffee filters aren't good as a scrubbing implement.  Toothbrush is much better.

Suggestions and comments are welcome.

 

  • Member since
    October 2008
  • From: SE Pennsylvania
Posted by padakr on Sunday, January 25, 2009 6:03 AM

Yeah, I went into it thinking I couldn't make it worse.  I might try the idea of making it pretty banged up.  I plan on trying several other new things out on it.  You really can't tell from the one picture, but the overall finish on the model is fairly bad.  All hand painted, with lots of thick spots, brush strokes, and uneven lines.  The decals were old, and I didn't know about any of the techniques for applying decals well (heck, I'm not sure if I even used decal set on them).  So I am going to play around with it and see what I can learn.

 

  • Member since
    December 2007
  • From: Bridgeview, Illinois
Posted by mg.mikael on Saturday, January 24, 2009 11:29 PM
The canopy actually doesn't look that bad. You could probably make your P-51 into a war ravaged aircraft with that canopy and some more weathering on you aircraft's wings and fuselage. Either way that canopy looks pretty good, considering the fact it cracked, fogged up, was sanded, and dipped in Future.Thumbs Up [tup] 

"A good plan executed now is better than a perfect plan next week." - George S. Patton

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  • Member since
    October 2008
  • From: SE Pennsylvania
Tragedy turned into an opportunity - Stripping complete
Posted by padakr on Saturday, January 24, 2009 9:48 PM

An accident at work has given me an opportunity to experiment.  This was a 1/48 P-51 (Revell I think) I got several years ago from my Dad.  It was one of several old kits he had and never gotten to before he stopped modeling. It failed an unscheduled gravity test at work and so I brought it home for repairs.  As you can see, the majority of the damage wasn't too great...

Except for the canopy.  Looks like someone stepped on it:

So I decided to see how well I could restore it.  I wasn't expecting anything more than the chance to try out some new techniques.  First thing was to glue it back together.  For this I used regular liquid cement.  I wasn't worried about fogging, as that was one of the things I wanted to work on.

After it was glued, I started cleaning it up and sanding it.  I guess I didn't do a great job on the glue, as it broke again.  Partly on one of the same break lines, and partly on one of the cracks.

Re-glued it and left it to dry longer before starting to work on it again.

Then I started with wet sanding with various sanding sticks, working to finer and finer grits.  I knew I would never get rid of the cracks (that wasn't the point).

And finally, I dipped it in Future.  My very first use of Future as a matter of fact.  I really like the final result.

With what I learned, I will be more comfortable working with clear parts and correcting any problems in the future. 

Next I think I may strip the entire paint job.

 

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