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Reason for 1/24th and 1/25th Scale Vehicle Models?

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Reason for 1/24th and 1/25th Scale Vehicle Models?
Posted by Sprue-ce Goose on Tuesday, July 5, 2011 9:49 PM

Having recently purchased some auto kits, I can't help wonder why both scales are still currently used  for

( presumably ) newly designed kits.

Were both scales in  use prior to the 1950s for metal die cast models or created later by the 1960s era plastic model industry?

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Posted by The Navigator on Friday, July 8, 2011 8:49 AM

Wow 31 looks and no answer! Here's my no research guess: back in the old days, one company made 1/25 cars. For marketing reasons, another company came out with the 1/24 scale to advertise it as a bigger kit with more detail! The closeness of the size allowed them to be in similar sized boxes. Like I said, this is totally off the top of my head and not factually based at all.

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Posted by Don Stauffer on Friday, July 8, 2011 9:08 AM

There is another reason for the 1:24 scale. It is an architectural scale.   Architects prefer scales that are in so many inches per foot, or even fractions of an inch per foot.  1:24 scale is half inch to foot (1:48 is quarter inch per foot, etc).  There are architect's scales available that have a number of these scales (usually six) on this triangular scale.  All other things being equal, I prefer such an architect's scale.

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Posted by The Navigator on Friday, July 8, 2011 9:26 AM

Excellent! Now we are getting some answers!

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Posted by Gamera on Friday, July 8, 2011 9:36 AM

Interesting! I wonder also if it had anything to do with the pre-built promo models that the auto companies used to send out to dealers in the '50s and '60s to advertise the upcoming new model year. 

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Posted by Sprue-ce Goose on Friday, July 8, 2011 9:38 AM

Gamera

Interesting! I wonder also if it had anything to do with the pre-built promo models that the auto companies used to send out to dealers in the '50s and '60s to advertise the upcoming new model year. 

I recall those models but don't remember if they had a stated scale.

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Posted by Sprue-ce Goose on Friday, July 8, 2011 9:40 AM

The Navigator

Wow 31 looks and no answer! Here's my no research guess: back in the old days, one company made 1/25 cars. For marketing reasons, another company came out with the 1/24 scale to advertise it as a bigger kit with more detail! The closeness of the size allowed them to be in similar sized boxes. Like I said, this is totally off the top of my head and not factually based at all.

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Posted by Sprue-ce Goose on Friday, July 8, 2011 9:43 AM

Don Stauffer

There is another reason for the 1:24 scale. It is an architectural scale.   Architects prefer scales that are in so many inches per foot, or even fractions of an inch per foot.  1:24 scale is half inch to foot (1:48 is quarter inch per foot, etc).  There are architect's scales available that have a number of these scales (usually six) on this triangular scale.  All other things being equal, I prefer such an architect's scale.

Don, you are a font of knowledge!

I suspected the 1/24th may simply be a mathematical derivative of 1/48th but also wondered if the current die cast scale of 1/50th may have led to 1/25th for the same reason.

 

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Posted by Dave DeLang on Friday, July 8, 2011 9:47 AM

My take is that 1/24 scale is derived from 1/2inch = 1 foot and is primarily a US manufacturer's scale. 1/25 scale is a partial decimal scale, 4 times 1/100 scale. Early on, the Japanese were tendig toward decimal or partial decimal scales, hence the 1/100 and 1/50 scale aircraft kits. They were pretty much overruled by the market in aircraft kits and went with the flow of 1/72 and 1/48.

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Posted by VanceCrozier on Friday, July 8, 2011 9:50 AM

Sprue-ce Goose

 

 Don Stauffer:

 

There is another reason for the 1:24 scale. It is an architectural scale.   Architects prefer scales that are in so many inches per foot, or even fractions of an inch per foot.  1:24 scale is half inch to foot (1:48 is quarter inch per foot, etc).  There are architect's scales available that have a number of these scales (usually six) on this triangular scale.  All other things being equal, I prefer such an architect's scale.

 

 

Don, you are a font of knowledge!

I suspected the 1/24th may simply be a mathematical derivative of 1/48th but also wondered if the current die cast scale of 1/50th may have led to 1/25th for the same reason.

 

...and the 1/25 may have migrated into the system thanks to the metric-speakers among us! (I know, I'm technically one of those - but after helping my father build or renovate everything from cabinets to houses since I was old enough to hold a tool I tend to think inches & feet when measuring anything!)

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Posted by Sprue-ce Goose on Friday, July 8, 2011 9:53 AM

VanceCrozier

 

 Sprue-ce Goose:

 

 

 Don Stauffer:

 

There is another reason for the 1:24 scale. It is an architectural scale.   Architects prefer scales that are in so many inches per foot, or even fractions of an inch per foot.  1:24 scale is half inch to foot (1:48 is quarter inch per foot, etc).  There are architect's scales available that have a number of these scales (usually six) on this triangular scale.  All other things being equal, I prefer such an architect's scale.

 

 

Don, you are a font of knowledge!

I suspected the 1/24th may simply be a mathematical derivative of 1/48th but also wondered if the current die cast scale of 1/50th may have led to 1/25th for the same reason.

 

 

 

...and the 1/25 may have migrated into the system thanks to the metric-speakers among us! (I know, I'm technically one of those - but after helping my father build or renovate everything from cabinets to houses since I was old enough to hold a tool I tend to think inches & feet when measuring anything!)

That's the British Empire inheritance, same as in USA.

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Posted by Sprue-ce Goose on Friday, July 8, 2011 9:58 AM

Dave DeLang

My take is that 1/24 scale is derived from 1/2inch = 1 foot and is primarily a US manufacturer's scale. 1/25 scale is a partial decimal scale, 4 times 1/100 scale. Early on, the Japanese were tendig toward decimal or partial decimal scales, hence the 1/100 and 1/50 scale aircraft kits. They were pretty much overruled by the market in aircraft kits and went with the flow of 1/72 and 1/48.

Good point.

I recall the imported 1/50th scale Japanese aircraft models of the 1960s, but don't recall any automobile kits.

I may do some old kit research to see if I can locate any early European or Japanese kits that may have prompted the US manufacturers to begin issuing 1/25th auto kits in the 1960s.

 

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Posted by The Navigator on Friday, July 8, 2011 10:17 AM

I think most of the new US kits are 1/24. The 1/25 AMT kits are probably reissues.

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