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  • Member since
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  • From: Edmonton, Alberta
Disaster!!!
Posted by Griffin on Sunday, November 6, 2011 9:29 PM

So, I had an old F-14 A/E model (Monogram) when I was a kid but I got rid of it when I got out of the hobby. A few years ago, I found one more or less intact (and fully-recoverable) at a church garage sale so I bought it for when I got around to building again.

I primed it and the primer took on a really weird texture/finish. It was kind of "dusty" for lack of a better term. It seemed to have hit the model "dry" and it appeared really dirty. Not knowing what to do, I boxed it for reconsideration in the future.

Well, the future is now. I found the rattlecan for the primer I used and it said to soak the nozzle in lacquer thinner to unplug it so I deduced (a la Sherlock Holmes) that it must be a lacquer primer. So I grabbed a cheapo IKEA plastic tub and put a sprue in and partially covered it with lacquer thinner. After a few second, paint started to evaporate off the plastic. In the meantime, my wife needed help in the kitchen so I carried the tub in with me to show her what an amazing job the primer was doing on the paint and went to help.

After about 5 minutes, I went back to the tub and several of the pieces (like the instrument panels Tongue Tied) had started to melt. IndifferentWow - I didn't realize that lacquer thinner would be that hot. There was nothing salvageable in that mess. I had melted plastic all over my fingers, even the tub was getting gooey! Dead

I guess it wasn't all bad news. The kit cost me 25 cents at the garage sale so it was a relatively cheap lesson. I just feel bad for the poor kit, abandoned for years, only to be take out and melted for all eternity.

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  • From: Longmont, Colorado
Posted by Cadet Chuck on Sunday, November 6, 2011 9:38 PM

What kind of primer did you put on it?

Sorry about your disaster.  I have found than once painted, don't try to remove it.  Usually, the results are not good, as per your experience.  I have had to throw out several models as a result of stuff like that.

Gimme a pigfoot, and a bottle of beer...

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    July 2009
Posted by COLDIRON on Sunday, November 6, 2011 10:25 PM

Don't try to strip paint off a model with any type of paint thinner at all, I have had enough workbench accidents to know that personally. 

I use bleach to strip paint, but there are an assortment of chemicals you can pick up from the grocery store that will strip paint and will not damage plastic.

  • Member since
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  • From: Edmonton, Alberta
Posted by Griffin on Monday, November 7, 2011 8:11 AM

I used krylon primer out of a rattle can. I definitely won't be using lacquer thinner to remove paint from a model anymore.

I've heard brake fluid and oven-cleaner work well too.

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  • From: Hayward, CA
Posted by GreenThumb on Tuesday, November 8, 2011 6:37 PM

Super Clean degreaser is the best overall and will not harm plastic. Easy-Off oven cleaner in the yellow can is second best and Simple Green is third in my opinion. Never, ever soak anything in lacquer thinner unless you know it will not harm it.

Mike

 

 

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Posted by Borg R3-MC0 on Wednesday, November 9, 2011 7:31 AM

I once used laquer thinner and tissues to remove primer (whilst still wet) and made a mess out of the surface of that kit. Fortunatly it was salvable:

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  • From: Austin, TX
Posted by DoogsATX on Wednesday, November 9, 2011 7:44 AM

Borg R3-MC0

I once used laquer thinner and tissues to remove primer (whilst still wet) and made a mess out of the surface of that kit. Fortunatly it was salvable:

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Did that too (to remove Tamiya's crappy white primer) - fortunately it was on the wing of an F4F-3 Wildcat that was getting the yellow wing treatment. That color covers A LOT of mistakes.

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  • From: Memphis TN
Posted by Heavens Eagle on Wednesday, November 9, 2011 9:45 PM

Many years ago I started a build on a 1/72 Hasagawa He 51B float plane.  Started painting it and wasn't happy at all with how it looked.  As I use enamels, they tend to stick a little better than most.  One trick I learned was to use Easy Off oven cleaner to remove chrome, paint and etc from kits.

Well, the Easy Off basically made the kit just fall apart.  Nothing really bad, just way more than I wanted to deal with then.

A couple years went by and got an inspiration to try and salvage the little beast.  Went all out and it turned into a real beauty.  Even won a first place at an IPMS Regional with it.

It is still with me even though it is quite fragile.  Has made at least a dozen moves etc.

Note:  All the rigging is stretched sprue.  Amazing how well this 20+ year old build has held up.

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  • From: Huntington, WV
Posted by Kugai on Thursday, November 10, 2011 2:40 AM

Maybe this "laquer thinner" issue should be one of the standard warnings for modelers?

While I didn't lose a kit over it, I also found out about the stuff's effect on plastic kits while trying a new method.  Over 10 years ago, I had asked a guy that I bought some resin kits from about filling bubbles on some of the kits had.  He suggested making a slurry by mixing Squadron putty with laquer thinner.  A few months later I was working on the Enterprise E kit and had to do some puttying on it.  My inexperience with putty and impatience at the time led me to think that placing the stuff would be easier if I used the slurry approach with that project.

It didn't take long for the plastic to start melting but I caught it quickly enough to avoid ruining the kit.  I guess it's a good thing that my impatience with sanding makes me a little stingy when applying the putty.

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  • From: Utereg
Posted by Borg R3-MC0 on Thursday, November 10, 2011 2:56 AM

You can also use "hot" laquer thinner to your advantage: just melt spure in the thinner and you have a home made putty. Ideal to use under nmf finishes. 

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  • From: Maryland
Posted by usmc1371 on Thursday, November 10, 2011 5:01 AM

Had the same happen to me too.  I also tried Goof Off once.  That was a total mess also.

I tried to remove lacquer based paint with Super Clean once.  It didn't work.  I avoid the lacquer paints now since I can't figure out how to strip them if I need to.

-Jesse

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  • From: Iowa
Posted by Hans von Hammer on Thursday, November 10, 2011 12:32 PM

At least you didn't make the model spontaneously combust...

I managed to do that with resin and too much catalyst once... Burned the Kingfisher (to a puddle), the diorama base (to a crisp), AND the bench (steel surface, so it was ok, and it kept the house from going up in flames)...

I learned, "Read and Follow All Label Directions" after that...  Especially mix-ratios...

Ain't chemicals fun????

 

 

 

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  • From: Edmonton, Alberta
Posted by Griffin on Thursday, November 10, 2011 12:57 PM

Hans von Hammer
At least you didn't make the model spontaneously combust...

Yup - at least there's that.

It was 25 cents (plus the thinner) spent on a good lesson! Geeked

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  • From: Hayward, CA
Posted by GreenThumb on Thursday, November 10, 2011 10:03 PM

I think a good rule of thumb would be that if it smells stronger than Simple Green or Windex then test it on a scrap piece first. Smile

 

Mike

 

 

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Posted by the doog on Friday, November 11, 2011 6:17 AM

Griffin

 There was nothing salvageable in that mess. I had melted plastic all over my fingers, even the tub was getting gooey! Dead

 

Good lord--you should avoid at all costs getting lacquer thinner on your skin! If it's that hot for plastic, just imagine what it does to your cells?

Please wear GOOD gloves when handling thinners. Don't let these poisons into your body through carelessness. A lifetime of exposure can have drastic health consequences.

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  • From: Edmonton, Alberta
Posted by Griffin on Friday, November 11, 2011 11:28 AM

Hey Karl - Thanks for the advice. I have gloves and I had every intention of using them but I forgot to until it was too late.

I did the same thing with my respirator the first time I used my AB. (My OHS department at work loves me! Wink)

Too late smart.

  • Member since
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  • From: Iowa
Posted by Hans von Hammer on Sunday, November 13, 2011 1:23 PM

Laquer thinner evaporates at such a high rate that it doesn't do much to exposed skin... If you spill it on your hands, wash 'em with Dawn...  If you spill it on you clothes, change them as the stuff doesn't evapoarte as fast on clothing and can cause a chemical burn akin to over-filling your Zippo and putting it in your pocket..

But it's not Mustard or Nerve gas, so don't get too wound up about it...  If you spill it, clean it up and continue to march...  If it gets on the floor, you run a much greater risk of slipping on the stuff and breaking your neck in the fall than you do from inhaling it...

At any rate, a respirator will only help protect you from the particulates... It does nothing about the oxygen-displacing fume-hazard associated with it... (You need an OBA for that...)  Good cross-ventilation is usually enough for the amount of painting any modeler does with laquers, but if it helps you sleep at night, go for it... Also, there isn't anything you can do about the smell.. If it bothers you, about all you can do is stop using it.. Make sure you have no facial hair.. The masks won't seal on more than a day or so's beard-growth, and you'll smell even more of it.... 

 Keep in mind too that most of the scary stuff you read about fume-hazards is written by folks who make and sell pro-masks...

  BTW, don't clean paint off your mask with the stuff either... It'll eat it..

I've uszed la ack quers fir abut 35 years and fgia[r ]09igae]  nnothg hasss hipppehnd tooo meae yettta...

 

 

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  • From: Edmonton, Alberta
Posted by Griffin on Sunday, November 13, 2011 1:29 PM

I've uszed la ack quers fir abut 35 years and fgia[r ]09igae]  nnothg hasss hipppehnd tooo meae yettta...

Smile I can tell!

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