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  • Member since
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Posted by Shellback on Monday, April 16, 2012 4:44 PM

Sprue-ce Goose

 Shellback:

 

 Manstein's revenge:

 

Sometimes your kit parts don't fit and you get frustrated...

When you get frustrated you go down to the local hobby shop to blow off some steam...

When you go down to the local hobby shop to blow off some steam you leave with almost $230 worth of kits you neither need nor have the permission from your wife to buy...

When you get home with the almost $230 worth of kits you neither need nor have the permission from your wife to buy, your wife decides she's had enough and leaves you and the kids...

When your wife decides she's had enough and leaves you and the kids you start drinking...

When you start drinking you become an alcoholic and lose your job...

When you lose your job you have no more money for kits...

Don't lose your job so you can't buy kits!  Buy Tamiya kits and avoid this downward spiral...

 

 

Manny , this sounds like the lyrics for a country western song ..............Headphones

 

Can't be a perfect country song without:

momma

rain

prison

a dog

trains

pickup truck

WhistlingHeadphones

True , but dont forget the themes where the wife leaves with the kids . Then there's always the good ole country song theme about drinking to much . Manny covered them both . We havent heard from Manny here in a while ..............suppose he's writting more lyrics for this song , "Come back Irene and i'll puit away the styrene " .

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Posted by VanceCrozier on Monday, April 16, 2012 11:01 AM

Hans von Hammer

 

So there is a gap here and there, never mind, after all my models are not competition worty anyway.

 

That's certainly your call to make, although I'm certain that they must be "forum-worthy", no?  Post pics of the fit-issues you have, and ask fer a hand, advice, solutions, etc., any time...

There's always advice to be had here! Yes

On the bench: Airfix 1/72 Wildcat; Airfix 1/72 Vampire T11; Airfix 1/72 Fouga Magister

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Posted by Sprue-ce Goose on Monday, April 16, 2012 10:18 AM

Shellback

 

 Manstein's revenge:

 

Sometimes your kit parts don't fit and you get frustrated...

When you get frustrated you go down to the local hobby shop to blow off some steam...

When you go down to the local hobby shop to blow off some steam you leave with almost $230 worth of kits you neither need nor have the permission from your wife to buy...

When you get home with the almost $230 worth of kits you neither need nor have the permission from your wife to buy, your wife decides she's had enough and leaves you and the kids...

When your wife decides she's had enough and leaves you and the kids you start drinking...

When you start drinking you become an alcoholic and lose your job...

When you lose your job you have no more money for kits...

Don't lose your job so you can't buy kits!  Buy Tamiya kits and avoid this downward spiral...

 

 

Manny , this sounds like the lyrics for a country western song ..............Headphones

Can't be a perfect country song without:

momma

rain

prison

a dog

trains

pickup truck

WhistlingHeadphones

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    March 2006
  • From: Right Side of a Left State
Posted by Shellback on Monday, April 16, 2012 1:13 AM

Manstein's revenge

Sometimes your kit parts don't fit and you get frustrated...

When you get frustrated you go down to the local hobby shop to blow off some steam...

When you go down to the local hobby shop to blow off some steam you leave with almost $230 worth of kits you neither need nor have the permission from your wife to buy...

When you get home with the almost $230 worth of kits you neither need nor have the permission from your wife to buy, your wife decides she's had enough and leaves you and the kids...

When your wife decides she's had enough and leaves you and the kids you start drinking...

When you start drinking you become an alcoholic and lose your job...

When you lose your job you have no more money for kits...

Don't lose your job so you can't buy kits!  Buy Tamiya kits and avoid this downward spiral...

Manny , this sounds like the lyrics for a country western song ..............Headphones

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Posted by Medicman71 on Sunday, April 15, 2012 3:23 PM

Hans von Hammer

 

http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s34/GHERU/fun/BilltheCat.gif

 

Hey Hammer. I didn't give you permission to post my picture here. That's me while building the Revell Tomcat.

Sigh. I think I need a cupcake.

Building- (All 1/48) F-14A Tomcat, F-16C Blk 30, He 129

 

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Posted by castelnuovo on Saturday, April 14, 2012 8:51 PM

Hans von Hammer

So there is a gap here and there, never mind, after all my models are not competition worty anyway.

That's certainly your call to make, although I'm certain that they must be "forum-worthy", no?  Post pics of the fit-issues you have, and ask fer a hand, advice, solutions, etc., any time...

Hmmm...forum worthy....OK. Pix coming.

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Posted by Hans von Hammer on Saturday, April 14, 2012 1:47 PM

So there is a gap here and there, never mind, after all my models are not competition worty anyway.

That's certainly your call to make, although I'm certain that they must be "forum-worthy", no?  Post pics of the fit-issues you have, and ask fer a hand, advice, solutions, etc., any time...

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Posted by OMCUSNR on Friday, April 13, 2012 10:43 PM

Me Bos'n's mate -me fix, get bigger hammer!  There fixed!

Look for some threads from chukw in the aircraft section.  There's a guy that an inspiration for patience (and the use of scraps) in modeling.

Reid

Grumman Iron Works Fan.

"Don't sweat the small stuff.  And.... it's ALL small stuff, until you hear INCOMING!!!!!!"

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Posted by castelnuovo on Friday, April 13, 2012 7:21 PM

Thank you gentlemen. I knew I could count on wise words from FSM members SmileWhistling. I guess experimenting is part of the fun. The model in question is dragon's sdkfz 250/9 new. Fine little model, but there are few parts, there almost akways are, you know what I mean. So there is a gap here and there, never mind, after all my models are not competition worty anyway.

Cheers...

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Posted by fermis on Friday, April 13, 2012 5:53 PM

Hans von Hammer

Yeah, I loved building it too, lol...

Got another one, BTW...Wink

I'm still hoping to find another on a vendor table.....I'm a glutton for punishment!

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Posted by Hans von Hammer on Friday, April 13, 2012 5:42 PM

Yeah, I loved building it too, lol...

Got another one, BTW...Wink

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Posted by fermis on Friday, April 13, 2012 5:31 PM

Hans von Hammer

Would have loved to have had a all three of us miked-up during THAT build, lol... 

 

 Oh Gawd, hide the women and children!!! The words that came outta my mouth, made my ears bleed!!! Unspeakable words, that I didn't even know I knew!

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Posted by Hans von Hammer on Friday, April 13, 2012 4:07 PM

Yeah, I hate it when that happens, too... Wink

Anyway, I updated my previous post, and talked a bit more in-depth about it, as well as showing that wonderfully-fitting Modelcraft F-82 I did at about the same time as Troublemaker and Fermis did..  Would have loved to have had a all three of us miked-up during THAT build, lol... 

 

 

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Posted by VanceCrozier on Friday, April 13, 2012 3:04 PM

Hans von Hammer

 

...Check this FIRST, before you go cutting, hacking, sanding, etc...

I must admit that I've "fixed" something, only to find out later that it didn't need fixed. Not a happy feeling. Crying

On the bench: Airfix 1/72 Wildcat; Airfix 1/72 Vampire T11; Airfix 1/72 Fouga Magister

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Posted by Reasoned on Friday, April 13, 2012 2:50 PM

Gentle persuasion:

Science is the pursiut of knowledge, faith is the pursuit of wisdom.  Peace be with you.

On the Tarmac: 1/48 Revell P-38

In the Hanger: A bunch of kits

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Posted by Hans von Hammer on Friday, April 13, 2012 1:07 PM

castelnuovo

...what is the best way to figure out why?

Sometimes it is easy and sometimes I trim and trim and trim and it still doesn't fit. Then I get crancky and then my wife tells me that I am getting crancky which makes me feel more crancky and the darn piece still doesn't fit.

This scenario (among other things) is what separates the kit builder from the kit assembler...  Approaching it from several different trouble-shooting angles is a skill that has to be developed.. Simply avoiding it will not help you advance in skill-level, although it's gonna keep you from re-enacting scenes form Platoon with Charlie Sheen...

It always depends on the part though.... Might be something as simple as a bit of sprue hitting something, or even that you're trying to to fit the wrong part into the wing.. (Don't laugh.. EVERYONE has done it, lol) Check this FIRST, before you go cutting, hacking, sanding, etc..

Anyway, I'm pressed for time... Will expand further upon my return from the Doc..

EDIT:

 

Ok, back at keyboard... What doesn't fit? Is it something that's going to be unseen after assembly? If so, then don't sweat it.. If it's something that another part depends on, then you got a problem.. You're gonna have to, as Reasoned put it below, get a persuader...

Trimming and/or sanding-filing should take care of 99% of your fit-issues though.. But if it's something like the Monogram P-61 canopy, then another approach id required, and that's using strip styene to "raise" the fuselage up to the canopy rail.  You can also try filling the opening, but if you don't get the putty right duirng application, you'll have to sand in an area that will casue you to possibly damage to the surrounding detail...

Another thing that happens, especially with older kits and their "operating features", like movable control surfaces (found on a LOT of Revell's 1960s-era 1/32 kits)... Many times the control surfaces don't want to mate-up with each other or they have a big, out of scale gap in them, between the wing and the aileron (this includes the elevators and rudders too)...  You'll need to lengthen the control surface with strip styrene, or add on the wing-area surrounding it, using putty..  If the control-surface is too wide, span-wise, then it's just a matter of filing/sanding it to fit.. Same goes for chord-wise..

Parts that don't mate-up well because of the locating pins means, cut off the pins... Use a slower-setting cement for those, like Testor's Black Bottle, and just cement the parts a little at a time, clamping tight as you go around that area until you get it complete...

There're a LOT more things to do, and solutions for them that will only come by doing, and only building "Shake & Bakes" won't teach you anything... Can't tell you how many people I've read who get stymied by little, easy-to-solve issues, issues that they wouldn't give a second thought about had they only built a few dozen Lindberg, Hawk, Aurora, Revell, Monogram, and other so-called, "inferior" kits first...  And God help them with a limited-run kit too... 

Bottom line is that you won't ever become a "Master Modeler" by building only Shake& Bakes... You actually NEED to build some kits the you have to beat into submission, lol.... 

So.. Up for a Modelcraft 1/48 F-82?  THAT kit you'll wanna have the wife & kids outta the house for... You HAVE to be at least an "advanced" modeler just to get the parts offa the sprues...  If all you want to do is throw a tube of glue in the box and shake it, stay away from this one... But man.. No way, I HAD to have THIS Pony in the stable... Boy, is she ever a beauty once the swearing is over...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Posted by the doog on Friday, April 13, 2012 1:03 PM

HA! Try building some old muscle cars from the 70's! 

Wheels that don't line up in the wells, hoods that don't fit, suspensions that are completely off and make the car sit funny, interiors that hit the windshield,........Angry.........it just goes on and on!

Build some cars; you'll get an education in "parts that don't fit"!

fox
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Posted by fox on Friday, April 13, 2012 12:55 PM

Ditto on the hammer. My father used to say "If something doesn't work right, find the center of it and hit it with a hammer. One way or another, it's fixed".

Jim Captain

 Main WIP: 

   On the Bench: Artesania Latina  (aka) Artists in the Latrine 1/75 Bluenose II

I keep hitting "escape", but I'm still here.

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Posted by GreenThumb on Friday, April 13, 2012 11:02 AM

Modeling can be difficult at times, if it's too difficult then put it away until your skills improve and work on a kit that fits better.

Mike

 

 

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Posted by VanceCrozier on Friday, April 13, 2012 10:54 AM

My SWMBO generally leaves me alone when I'm sanding / snipping / forcing things to fit / stretching sprue.

On the bench: Airfix 1/72 Wildcat; Airfix 1/72 Vampire T11; Airfix 1/72 Fouga Magister

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Posted by bondoman on Friday, April 13, 2012 9:02 AM

Get a bigger hammer...

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Posted by p38jl on Friday, April 13, 2012 8:40 AM

Rob Gronovius

Face it, some kits were designed before mainstream modelers worried about seam lines, gaps, realistic detail, etc. No matter how hard you try, the parts on kits like these won't fit without major surgery, filler putty, strips of styrene, etc.

Don't  reenact scenes from Platoon with Charlie Sheen.

    ^------aahahahahahh...Stick out tongue...oops.. sorry.. snicker... Whistling

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Posted by Hercmech on Friday, April 13, 2012 8:29 AM

That sucks that you are having trouble with your sprue not fitting right. My advice is do your sprue fitting/forcing somewhere the wife can't see... then she can't see you getting frustrated.

Or you can always take a break from sprue forcing and eat a cupcake...always works to calm me down


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Posted by Rob Gronovius on Friday, April 13, 2012 8:29 AM

Face it, some kits were designed before mainstream modelers worried about seam lines, gaps, realistic detail, etc. No matter how hard you try, the parts on kits like these won't fit without major surgery, filler putty, strips of styrene, etc.

Don't  reenact scenes from Platoon with Charlie Sheen.

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Posted by p38jl on Friday, April 13, 2012 7:58 AM

chuckle.....Wink

 

on the serious note.. I've only had a problem with kit parts in the short run kits.. and then.. the scratchbuilder rears its head...Whistling

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Posted by Ninetalis on Friday, April 13, 2012 7:34 AM

Haha, that's a good one Manny! Toast
But you're completly right!

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Posted by bobbaily on Friday, April 13, 2012 7:31 AM

Well played Manny.....well played.

Bob

 

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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, April 13, 2012 7:23 AM

Sometimes your kit parts don't fit and you get frustrated...

When you get frustrated you go down to the local hobby shop to blow off some steam...

When you go down to the local hobby shop to blow off some steam you leave with almost $230 worth of kits you neither need nor have the permission from your wife to buy...

When you get home with the almost $230 worth of kits you neither need nor have the permission from your wife to buy, your wife decides she's had enough and leaves you and the kids...

When your wife decides she's had enough and leaves you and the kids you start drinking...

When you start drinking you become an alcoholic and lose your job...

When you lose your job you have no more money for kits...

Don't lose your job so you can't buy kits!  Buy Tamiya kits and avoid this downward spiral...

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    July 2008
  • From: Vancouver, the "wet coast"
When the parts don't fit...
Posted by castelnuovo on Friday, April 13, 2012 2:02 AM

...what is the best way to figure out why?

Sometimes it is easy and sometimes I trim and trim and trim and it still doesn't fit. Then I get crancky and then my wife tells me that I am getting crancky which makes me feel more crancky and the darn piece still doesn't fit.

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