Patience is key,,, sharing your builds helps us to see your work and build a rapor with your fellow modelers,, also remember, even if you don't get any comments, or not as many as u would like, check the VIEWS which appears by ur Title of your WIP in it's respective section, Armor, Ships, GB's.. The views are tallied anytime someone looks at your WIP.. sometimes people are in a hurry, and won't comment, but they'll breeze thru looking.. or lurking...

if it's fun or not

I'm "following" this discussion only because I'm subscribed from commenting, but can I just say, let's NOT let this thread get personal and off-topic? I think everything that's been said has been said.It seems unnecessary to really flog this post.

Scratchbuilder, don't get discouraged. Why don't you post one of your models in question here in this post? I promise that I"ll give you an honest appraisal of it.

I'll watch for it.

Don't get discouraged.

One of the most common errors IMO is starting a feeler or just starting a GB in the Group Build Forum. That's why I said earlier that you need to go directly to the forums that apply: Armor, A/C, Ships, etc and post your ideas. Many people only go to the GB forum when they are actually involved in one.

Manstein's revenge

Scratchbuilder725:

Manstein's revenge:

Scratchbuilder725:

Well as new member (relatively) i tried to start a GB in Armor co hosted with a higher post count member than I as too help me (a newbie.) But i tend to notice on here the well respected posters with high counts and great builders dont look or comment or help. HOw are we newbies gonna know that we suck at hosting without help from you guys. Dont hesitate to comment to them to help us gain experience so we cann all learn and make it more enjoyable. It also sucks when i work hard as everyone does and no one even looks at my stuff cuz i have a low count or something its very discouraging. It just sorry ucks when I go to build something and post it and not a person looks and when i start a GB no one says anything to improve or adjust it, i'm just shy and dont talk alot on here but when i do i want the same treatment as eveyone else.

sorry for the rant

 

Regardless of your low post count and "newbie" status---if you have skills and show them in here you will get noticed and quickly "accepted".  Period. 

It also would help if you posted an avatar so that your posts will be recognized more quickly, and it will also add some "personality" to your persona...I rarely look at screen names anymore; I recognize the old hacks from their avatars...

 

...sorry to get you angry

 

Me, angry?  Maybe your problem isn't your modeling skills but other things... 

your right i am wrong 

 i would just like to move on i retract my statment and move on

Manstein's revenge

Bish:

Manstein's revenge:

It also would help if you posted an avatar so that your posts will be recognized more quickly, and it will also add some "personality" to your persona...I rarely look at screen names anymore; I recognize the old hacks from their avatars...

 

 

So if we change our Avatars weekly, you won't know who we are.

 

Do I know you?

I don't know, who am i?

Bish

Manstein's revenge:

It also would help if you posted an avatar so that your posts will be recognized more quickly, and it will also add some "personality" to your persona...I rarely look at screen names anymore; I recognize the old hacks from their avatars...

 

 

So if we change our Avatars weekly, you won't know who we are.

Manstein's revenge

It also would help if you posted an avatar so that your posts will be recognized more quickly, and it will also add some "personality" to your persona...I rarely look at screen names anymore; I recognize the old hacks from their avatars...

So if we change our Avatars weekly, you won't know who we are.

Thanks for the tip.

Scratchbuilder725

Manstein's revenge:

Scratchbuilder725:

Well as new member (relatively) i tried to start a GB in Armor co hosted with a higher post count member than I as too help me (a newbie.) But i tend to notice on here the well respected posters with high counts and great builders dont look or comment or help. HOw are we newbies gonna know that we suck at hosting without help from you guys. Dont hesitate to comment to them to help us gain experience so we cann all learn and make it more enjoyable. It also sucks when i work hard as everyone does and no one even looks at my stuff cuz i have a low count or something its very discouraging. It just sorry ucks when I go to build something and post it and not a person looks and when i start a GB no one says anything to improve or adjust it, i'm just shy and dont talk alot on here but when i do i want the same treatment as eveyone else.

sorry for the rant

 

Regardless of your low post count and "newbie" status---if you have skills and show them in here you will get noticed and quickly "accepted".  Period. 

It also would help if you posted an avatar so that your posts will be recognized more quickly, and it will also add some "personality" to your persona...I rarely look at screen names anymore; I recognize the old hacks from their avatars...

 

...sorry to get you angry

good points lesson learned...

The only one you made mad was yourself. Summer is traditionally a slow modeling season with many folks taking advantage of the nice weather to do outdoor activities. Fall and winter are more akin to modeling because you're indoors more often than not.

Secondly, just because folks didn't respond in a timely manner does not mean they are not interested. Many wait until the idea has more followers and is fleshed out with more details before jumping in.

Additionally, they may be other GBs going on at the same time so you may be trying to get folks who might have joined but are otherwise engaged in similar GBs already.

Besides, you went from GB feeler to throwing in the towel in two days. Guys who were fishing, grilling and going to high school graduations this past weekend probably never got a chance to join.

didnt mean to start anything its just disappointing to build something post it and be proud of it and no one look or say anything good or bad im not expecting a 20 something page post just a few good job work on this didnt mean to start something i'll just post sorry guys sorry

Rob Gronovius

I agree with MR, many a new member (I call them drive-by posters) joins the site, starts a GB within days of joining and disappears, never to be seen again. Auto-fail mode activated.

I also tend to be very cynical. Most of the time when I see person starting a GB, you'd have to be blind not to read between the lines; They are basically saying, "Hey, I just bought this hot, new kit and am really excited about it. I'm starting a GB with a theme that includes my new kit. It starts yesterday and ends in a few months when I think I can finish my new kit!"

We all know you're going to start that kit whether there's a GB going or not and just want some virtual slap on the back (GB badge) for doing so. You're better off doing a WIP thread so folks can see your work in one thread and not have it buried between the genre forum and the GB forum.

The best GBs are those with a strong leader and with a good theme. Sometimes the theme can be wide (i.e. "Things that Float") and still be good other times they can be so wide that there isn't any real cohesion between entries.

These are just my personal opinions. I've been here for a little while, almost 10 years now, and I've seen a few members come and go since then.

 Thank you for the advice i have noticed many people do exactly as you state start one and then disappear but i didnt start the build alone i was partnered with a experienced member to help me and keep it one track didnt mean to anger everyone

Manstein's revenge

Scratchbuilder725:

Well as new member (relatively) i tried to start a GB in Armor co hosted with a higher post count member than I as too help me (a newbie.) But i tend to notice on here the well respected posters with high counts and great builders dont look or comment or help. HOw are we newbies gonna know that we suck at hosting without help from you guys. Dont hesitate to comment to them to help us gain experience so we cann all learn and make it more enjoyable. It also sucks when i work hard as everyone does and no one even looks at my stuff cuz i have a low count or something its very discouraging. It just sorry ucks when I go to build something and post it and not a person looks and when i start a GB no one says anything to improve or adjust it, i'm just shy and dont talk alot on here but when i do i want the same treatment as eveyone else.

sorry for the rant

 

Regardless of your low post count and "newbie" status---if you have skills and show them in here you will get noticed and quickly "accepted".  Period. 

It also would help if you posted an avatar so that your posts will be recognized more quickly, and it will also add some "personality" to your persona...I rarely look at screen names anymore; I recognize the old hacks from their avatars...

i do show my skills no one looks no one notices sorry to get you angry

I agree with MR, many a new member (I call them drive-by posters) joins the site, starts a GB within days of joining and disappears, never to be seen again. Auto-fail mode activated.

I also tend to be very cynical. Most of the time when I see person starting a GB, you'd have to be blind not to read between the lines; They are basically saying, "Hey, I just bought this hot, new kit and am really excited about it. I'm starting a GB with a theme that includes my new kit. It starts yesterday and ends in a few months when I think I can finish my new kit!"

We all know you're going to start that kit whether there's a GB going or not and just want some virtual slap on the back (GB badge) for doing so. You're better off doing a WIP thread so folks can see your work in one thread and not have it buried between the genre forum and the GB forum.

The best GBs are those with a strong leader and with a good theme. Sometimes the theme can be wide (i.e. "Things that Float") and still be good other times they can be so wide that there isn't any real cohesion between entries.

These are just my personal opinions. I've been here for a little while, almost 10 years now, and I've seen a few members come and go since then.

Scratchbuilder725

Well as new member (relatively) i tried to start a GB in Armor co hosted with a higher post count member than I as too help me (a newbie.) But i tend to notice on here the well respected posters with high counts and great builders dont look or comment or help. HOw are we newbies gonna know that we suck at hosting without help from you guys. Dont hesitate to comment to them to help us gain experience so we cann all learn and make it more enjoyable. It also sucks when i work hard as everyone does and no one even looks at my stuff cuz i have a low count or something its very discouraging. It just sorry ucks when I go to build something and post it and not a person looks and when i start a GB no one says anything to improve or adjust it, i'm just shy and dont talk alot on here but when i do i want the same treatment as eveyone else.

sorry for the rant

It also would help if you posted an avatar so that your posts will be recognized more quickly, and it will also add some "personality" to your persona...I rarely look at screen names anymore; I recognize the old hacks from their avatars...

Ye, i think Doog is pretty spot on their. We do try and welcome all the new guys. I know there are a few that have joined over the last couple of years and it now seems they have been here for ever. Its not about being a great model builder, its not even about posting endless images of your builds, but it does help to get yourself known.

And the subject matter is very important. I thought your idea was great, but how many people would have a suitable kit in the stash. I only have 1, and if i didn't have that i probably would not have even looked at your thread as i would have known it was not for me.

So ye, i hope you stick around and maybe try again. maybe expanding the idea to an Artillery GB including missiles.

Very well said Doog

I am probably still considered somewhat of a newbie, not so much for time maybe as the fact that I tend to float in and out more than most people.

That being said, I do think this forum is for the most part a really great group of people. I have had no problems feeling welcome, and it seems to me that even mediocre work is praised as long as you show willingness to improve.

I tossed out several GB ideas before I finally had one that took off (1942 GB.) Why that one succeeded where others failed, I have no idea. Subject matter? Maybe. People recognized me by then? Maybe, but I kind of doubt it. I think maybe the stars just aligned perfectly so that enough people had something lined up that would fit the GB. It's almost halfway through now and has so far been pretty good, I think.

All that being said, I think the Doog has some good advice. Sit down, build a couple models, actively participate in a few GBs, and most of all, don't feel like people are snubbing you, because as long as you're open, they probably are not. And make some friends. That's what I think a lot of this is about. Some of us don't have time to physically go to a club meeting, so this is all the socializing we get to do with a modeling crowd. Crack a few jokes and just forget about the rest of the world!

Hope to see you around the forums! I'll keep an eye out for you in case you need a friendly face.

Scratchbuilder725

 

 

Well as new member (relatively) i tried to start a GB in Armor co hosted with a higher post count member than I as too help me (a newbie.) But i tend to notice on here the well respected posters with high counts and great builders dont look or comment or help. HOw are we newbies gonna know that we suck at hosting without help from you guys. Dont hesitate to comment to them to help us gain experience so we cann all learn and make it more enjoyable. It also sucks when i work hard as everyone does and no one even looks at my stuff cuz i have a low count or something its very discouraging. It just sorry ucks when I go to build something and post it and not a person looks and when i start a GB no one says anything to improve or adjust it, i'm just shy and dont talk alot on here but when i do i want the same treatment as eveyone else.

sorry for the rant

 

 

 

Just an observation here from an old veteran member... I've been here for five years already and have seen this dynamic before.

I think that some new members don't understand that this forum--like others--is really a social club. Picture it as a metaphoric local neighborhood bar where people congregate and shoot the shhhh with their buddies. Guys make friends here; there are disagreements, some people stalk off and don't come back, others play the peacemakers; we have loudmouths, smartarses, the quiet corner-lurkers, and the popular people.

When you come into a forum as a "noob" and try to get a Group build going, I think it's rather like walking into a new local bar and announcing "Hey all! Party at my house this weekend! Who's up for it?!" If you don't really know the people yet and they don't know you, you're not going to have a full house. Especially when people already are committed to some other guy's party who they might have known for years.

I'm not saying that that's the way it should be--I"m saying that despite what we may want it to be like, THAT'S the way it IS.

Scratchbuilder725

Well as new member (relatively) i tried to start a GB in Armor co hosted with a higher post count member than I as too help me (a newbie.) But i tend to notice on here the well respected posters with high counts and great builders dont look or comment or help. HOw are we newbies gonna know that we suck at hosting without help from you guys. Dont hesitate to comment to them to help us gain experience so we cann all learn and make it more enjoyable. It also sucks when i work hard as everyone does and no one even looks at my stuff cuz i have a low count or something its very discouraging. It just sorry ucks when I go to build something and post it and not a person looks and when i start a GB no one says anything to improve or adjust it, i'm just shy and dont talk alot on here but when i do i want the same treatment as eveyone else.

sorry for the rant

Well that is a shame for sure. I try to help out when need be. 

I suggest that if you do start a GB, announce it! Stir up some noise. Find a subject that will be interesting. Some subjects are just to limited or obscur for most builders.

Check out other GB's out for ideas, style, rules, etc. Most importantly: participate. Some builders say they're going to build this or that and you never see them again. The more vocal traffic, the more interest in the thread and your builds.

For my latest GB, I chose Big Cats: Panthers and Tigers. Very common, but very popular subjects. My other current GB is That's Amore Italian GB. It's much smaller, but has been a treasure trove of information on seldom seen modeling subjects. Some very cool builds in there too. 

Scratchbuilder725

Well as new member (relatively) i tried to start a GB in Armor co hosted with a higher post count member than I as too help me (a newbie.) But i tend to notice on here the well respected posters with high counts and great builders dont look or comment or help. HOw are we newbies gonna know that we suck at hosting without help from you guys. Dont hesitate to comment to them to help us gain experience so we cann all learn and make it more enjoyable. It also sucks when i work hard as everyone does and no one even looks at my stuff cuz i have a low count or something its very discouraging. It just sorry ucks when I go to build something and post it and not a person looks and when i start a GB no one says anything to improve or adjust it, i'm just shy and dont talk alot on here but when i do i want the same treatment as eveyone else.

sorry for the rant

I'm joined several GBs put on by new members who either left the forum or dropped the GB quickly, some who dropped the ball before the GB even started. I'm certainly not saying you did any such thing, it's just I've had bad luck there with new people starting GBs.  If you want to start one hang out for a while, join some other GBs, and contribute to the forum. Sorry about your bad luck, hope your next one goes better.

well i opened that can of worms.  scratchbuilder my apology, my poor choice of words.  i guess i am trying to ask if a group build is started by one who has hosted multiple group builds is looked at differently than a group build hosted by one who has started fewer.  i have been in builds with folks hosting their first and to be honest a couple were most pleasurable.  i have also been in builds with hosts who had hosted multiple builds that the group build died on the vine.  i joined fsm the first time in 2004, during the time here i have been a part of many group builds, i have hosted several.  even my own builds some were good, my own biased opinion, and some, well some should have died in thought. 

i have watched many of the current group builds for a while.  i was just curious as to why some seem to have a very active core and some have a very very loose group with few showing work.

i have not achieved a level of activity again where i feel i could contribute to a group build again.  to me that is an important thing.  if i join a build i want to be an active part of it. 

joe

Well as new member (relatively) i tried to start a GB in Armor co hosted with a higher post count member than I as too help me (a newbie.) But i tend to notice on here the well respected posters with high counts and great builders dont look or comment or help. HOw are we newbies gonna know that we suck at hosting without help from you guys. Dont hesitate to comment to them to help us gain experience so we cann all learn and make it more enjoyable. It also sucks when i work hard as everyone does and no one even looks at my stuff cuz i have a low count or something its very discouraging. It just sorry ucks when I go to build something and post it and not a person looks and when i start a GB no one says anything to improve or adjust it, i'm just shy and dont talk alot on here but when i do i want the same treatment as eveyone else.

sorry for the rant

Geez, is it just me or has there been some kind of Group Build question-fetish going on here in this forum lately?!

You were right about it being "thrown out there" before lol!

Bondoman: Thanks for your comments. I've noticed my GB had been dragging recently and was thinking it was because it's been going on for nine months or so now. Now that I think about it I haven't posted any work in months now, I'm going to get back out and front and lead, hopefully it will keep us chugging along to the deadline.

fightnjoe

thanks for the replies.  let me throw out a related question.  if you see a group build which is hosted by a member who has had "good" builds in the past, are you more inclined to join as opposed to, lets say, a new member?

If a GB that i was interested in came up but was hosted by a new member, i would either wait out and see how it went or just jump in. If it dies on its butt, then theres no lose.

But i have noticed in the last year or so that there seem to be less commitment to GB's than there used to be.

thanks for the replies.  let me throw out a related question.  if you see a group build which is hosted by a member who has had "good" builds in the past, are you more inclined to join as opposed to, lets say, a new member?

i have been browsing around the group build forums and kind of watching the activity.  there are some builds that quite honestly have little or no activity that i consider pretty good subjects.  i got to wondering why a good subject with alot of initial interest isnt more active.  i also thought of the many group builds i have been in and the ones that i hosted and then the question of what makes a good group build. 

joe