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  • Member since
    August 2012
  • From: Parker City, IN.
Posted by Rambo on Sunday, June 23, 2013 6:31 PM

Do you have a water trap anywhere on your line? water getting into your air mix can cause alot of unwanted problems.

Clint

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    May 2013
  • From: Indiana, USA
Posted by Greg on Sunday, June 23, 2013 6:20 PM

Just wanted to note that I finally had a chance to airbrush same Tamiya acrylic. (XF-3, yellow, I believe).

Your advice was all spot on. Sprays like a dream!

NNTR, just following up, and thanks again.

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    November 2005
  • From: Lancaster, Ohio
Posted by Old Dog on Friday, June 7, 2013 1:45 PM

If your single action (or double action) is drawing for a jar, make certain the vent hole in the cap is open, they do get plugged with paint at times. On your air compressor are you setting the pressure at 20 before spraying or do you adjust it to 20 with the air brush open. Most small regulators will not hold the set pressure with the air brush wide open. It's best to open the air valve on the airbrush then set the regulator to the pressure you want.

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    May 2013
  • From: Indiana, USA
Posted by Greg on Friday, June 7, 2013 12:54 PM

Baron, thanks for chiming in and confirming. I am very glad the info was wrong and very much looking fwd to some testing and learning.

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  • From: Bethlehem PA
Posted by the Baron on Friday, June 7, 2013 12:14 PM

Greg

I had read recently somewhere that Tamiya acrylics don't airbrush well. I was actually planning on moving towards Tamiya acrylics and found this rather disappointing.

I take it, then, that this was bad information?

Second the Doog and the others, that was incorrect info.  Tamiya acrylics are formulated for airbrushing, which is probably why they don't hand-brush that well.  I use Tamiya's proprietary acrylic thinner, for either application.

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  • From: Indiana, USA
Posted by Greg on Friday, June 7, 2013 9:29 AM

Bearcat, that is possible. I have been known to read things backwards from time to time. Thank you for reply and info.

Doog, very much appreciate your comprehensive explanation. Printing that one for reference. Have two new jars I haven't gotten to yet, so one of today's adventures will be some experimentation for sure. Thanks again for your great tips and advice!

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    January 2007
Posted by the doog on Friday, June 7, 2013 6:27 AM

Greg

I had read recently somewhere that Tamiya acrylics don't airbrush well. I was actually planning on moving towards Tamiya acrylics and found this rather disappointing.

I take it, then, that this was bad information?

Yes, bad info. Tamiya acrylics are used by many of the top Armor modelers in the world; Mike Rinaldi, Adam Wilder, Rick Lawler, etc. They airbrush superbly, and are very resistant to weathering even without a sealer coat. They airbrush beautifully, and clean up with water. You can also thin them with lacquer thinner for an even more durable and smoother finish. I use them almost exclusively myself.

They CAN be used to brush-paint, but you must keep them "wet"; thin them with a bit of water, and dip your brush in water every now and then, or--better yet--their thinner, or some isopropyl alcohol. If you don't apply them this way they start to dry very quickly--they start to "clump" and you get wicked brush marks. The best way to see this is simply get a bottle and experiment. You can learn their characteristics within a very short time.

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Posted by Bearcat57 on Friday, June 7, 2013 12:25 AM
Greg, I think what you may have read about Tamiya acrylics is that they don't BRUSH well (cuz they don't)... They AIRbrush just fine however.
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  • From: Indiana, USA
Posted by Greg on Thursday, June 6, 2013 8:50 PM

I had read recently somewhere that Tamiya acrylics don't airbrush well. I was actually planning on moving towards Tamiya acrylics and found this rather disappointing.

I take it, then, that this was bad information?

  • Member since
    January 2007
Posted by the doog on Thursday, June 6, 2013 8:30 PM

Vallejos are notorious for drying too quickly when airbrushing. You really should try to use Tamiya for airbrushing, Vallejo for brushing.

I recommend soaking your head in lacquer cleaner--the airbrush head, not your real head! Surprise There's a vacuum principle at work in the paint feed, and here's a small air hole in your head that can get cloggd and so reduce the vacuum pump effect. Lacquer cleaner will clean out your head.

Also, make sure you have the Teflon washer on the head where it screws into the body.

Soak your paint cup in lacquer thinner as well. It's possible that the dried V paint in the stem may have narrowed the air flow passage.

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  • From: Twin Cities of Minnesota
Posted by Don Stauffer on Thursday, June 6, 2013 8:52 AM

There is a whole forum about painting and airbrushes.  There are continuing discussions on many of the topics that you mention.  I think anyone that does airbrushing should touch base with that forum periodically.

Don Stauffer in Minnesota

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Posted by AndrewW on Wednesday, June 5, 2013 6:17 PM

you're welcome, and model air comes in most of the same colors, not all.

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Posted by fullmetal2011 on Wednesday, June 5, 2013 12:38 PM

Yes I do dismantle the airbrush after each use.  i will strart trying vallejo air, for a change instead of the regular vallejo paint.  

I'm guessing that they come in all the same colors as their regular line of paints?

Yes im using their thinner and cleanner both.

thanks for the information.

Kevin

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    August 2012
Posted by AndrewW on Wednesday, June 5, 2013 10:05 AM

Fullmetal,

1. an air compressor should be an air compressor, if it's delivering the pressure it SHOULD be ok.

2. good pressure to work at.  What's the viscosity of your paint like?  Is it thin enough for 20 psi?

3. do you ever dismantle for cleaning?  do you ever clean the air outlet on the single action?  I find mine chokes up sometimes.

4. which Vallejo acryls?  Model Air, Model Color?  Model Color is quite thick and should be thinned for airbrushing, while Model Air can be sprayed as is.  What are you using for a thinner?  Alcohol is a no no with Vallejo.

5. again, which thinner?

in general, it sounds like your paint is too thick if it doesn't want to pull.  I have a really cheap single action ($30) and it works fine, then a very expensive double action which requires as much attention as cheaper double actions.  

For Vallejo paints, I strongly recommend using their proprietary thinners, and their airbrush cleaner if you're not doing so already.  Their cleaner is amazing.  If you're trying to spray model color, I recommend giving model air a try, or at least thinning a fair bit (same for their panzer aces line).

Hope that helps.

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  • Member since
    February 2011
Airbrush working
Posted by fullmetal2011 on Wednesday, June 5, 2013 9:44 AM

I know this probally has been covered many times in the past, but couldnt find a thread or a post.  So, I will ask again sorry for asking.

I have a Pasche single action and a Badger dual action air brushes.  They work great when they work, and in there lies the problem.  It seems like i spend more time getting the air brush either one to work correctly, than i do actually airbrushing. 

I love the look of airbrushing but honestly i get to the point where i dread trying to anymore.  I have followed all types of advice and suggestions on line from others.  I see others (videos) and see how their airbrush works pefectly. 

I guess Im looking for more ideas or suggestions on what or if Im doing something wrong etc etc..

some of the things i do so maybe help you all figure out my problem.

1, I bought and use a small air compresseor from local supermart.  It has a line out so i can regulate the pressure.

2. I always work with or right arounf 20 psi.

3. I thourghly clean after ever use,  and then spray airbrush cleaner thru the gun for a few seconds after the cleaning.

4. I work with acrylics 99% of the time (Vallejo) paints.

5. I always mix or thin my paints to help flow.

I guess my biggest thing is it seems like it never wants to pull the paint out of the jar?  Or it will for a few seconds or minutes then stops again. 

Does the small airbrush compressors you see sold at hobby shops better or not to get?  Or as long as you can regulate your pressure surfice?

A better airbrush?  I dont remeber my airbrush number.  I paid roughly 70 to 100 per airbrush.

Any suggetions or thoughts would be appreciated.

 

Kevin

 

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