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So many botched up kits
Posted by echolmberg on Monday, September 23, 2013 3:04 PM

I know this topic has been discussed ad nauseum but I think is the first time I’ve ever chimed in on the subject.  I find myself in a modeling funk.  But it’s not that I don’t feel like building anymore or that I’m not inspired.  It just seems that I’ve been striking out more than I usually do.  Here’s what I mean:  I assembled the Revellogram 1/48 F-101B Voodoo a while ago.  It takes me months to get one airframe put together because of family obligations.  Anyway, I got it all painted with gloss white paint in preparation of buffing it with SnJ metal powder.  When I applied the metal powder, it magnified the almost orange peel-like surface of the gloss white paint by a factor of about a thousand.  It just didn’t look good from even five feet away so I began the process of stripping it all away.  What an absolute mess!  But it was slowly coming off.  I don’t know if it was the constant pressure on the plastic from all my rubbing and scrubbing, if it was from the effects of all the thinner and Testor’s ELO that I used to strip the paint or a combination of both but the plastic ended up tearing like so much damp lasagna noodles.  There was just no saving it so I just dumped the whole works.  I was seriously bummed because I was going to give that model to my dad.

 

I next grabbed the Hasegawa P-51D out of my stash because I had some great aftermarket decals that I wanted to use (“Frenesi”).  However, the Hasegawa kit had the tail fillet while Frenesi was an early –D variant without the fillet.  I cut away the fillet and now I’ve got this gigantic jagged gap in the tail that I am incapable of fixing.  I’m going to stash that model away until I can get a hold of the Ultracast filletless resin tail.  Siiiigh…

 

So next I picked up what I thought was going to be a very simple model to build for a friend’s son to put in his airplane-themed room:  Lindberg’s 1/32 Laird-Turner Meteor.  It went together just fine but then I figured I’d try my hand at foiling.  I got about 98% done with all the foiling and it just dawned on me:  Who was I kidding?  I just wasn’t happy with the way it turned out.  Hard as I tried, I could not eliminate all the wrinkles and unsightly bumps that popped up here and there.  I wasn’t going to give something like that to the kid.  I wasn’t going to give a model that I wasn’t proud of to someone else so I stripped all the foil off.  The glue left an amazingly sticky residue behind so I’ve been using nail polish remover to clean the surface.  It’s been another mess so, while the model is now stripped, I’ve set it aside just to step away from it.  Then came the next blunder.

 

I figured I needed some good mow-joe (my other spelling of the word got the **** treatment) so I picked up ICM’s P-51B in 1/48 scale.  I heard it was a virtual copy of the Tamiya kit but maybe just not AS refined.  The cockpit was nice enough and went smoothly.  I got the two fuselage halves glued together and I figured “So far, so good”.  But then I got to the wings.  There are no locator pins.  Okay.  No biggie.  I’ve put limited run and resin kits together with practically zero fuss so I figured this would not be too much of a challenge.  It turns out it IS a challenge when the lower wing is warped.  Even the gear well walls were horribly warped.  On top of that, there was stress whitening on the plastic.  It came out of the box that way so Lord only knows what happened to cause that.  Trying to flex the bent walls back to their normal position resulted in even bigger whitening stress.  I said “Screw it!  I’ve seen people get good results with the ICM Mustang so I can do it, too.”  I got one upper wing glued on with lots of plastic shaving, clamping and Tamiya thin cement.  Once that set, I test fit the wings to the fuselage.  When you look at the model from directly above, the angle of the wing root on the fuselage does NOT match the angle of the wing root on the upper wing.  This was the straw that broke the camel’s back.  In the next day or two, when I get the time, I’m just going to outright trash the entire kit.

 

I’m sorry for the droning on and on but this is my verbal “primal scream therapy”.  I just had to get it out of my system.  I want to keep building but I need a good kit.  I’m hoping the Monogram AD-6 Skyraider will work out better.  What bugs me a lot is that of the four planes I’ve buggered up, the two Mustangs and the Laird-Turner Meteor were all gifts from my mother-in-law that I got a couple of years ago.

 

Has anyone else had that many screw-ups one right after another or am I the only one?  I look at my display shelves full of amazing builds that I'm so happy with and then I ponder how on earth could I screw up four planes in a row???

Eric

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Posted by mississippivol on Monday, September 23, 2013 7:46 PM

Ouch! I can certainly sympathize, and it's like the old Robert Tepper song: "There ain't no easy way out.." It'll come together, keep diggin'!

Glenn

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Posted by checkmateking02 on Monday, September 23, 2013 8:35 PM

Yeah, it's that way sometimes.  Don't know how many kits I've trashed over the years.  At one point, I had to get two of every kit, since I inevitably botched the first attempt.

Hang in there and keep modeling!

 

 

 

 

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Posted by echolmberg on Tuesday, September 24, 2013 6:35 AM

Thanks guys.  I needed an "antidote" so yesterday I stopped off at the hobby shop and picked up the Revell 1/48 P-51B.  I've heard it's a pretty good kit and I'd really like to have a "B" variant since I've never done one before.  I think I read somewhere that it's the originally the old "ProModeller" version so it should be pretty good.  And with it being only $16, it won't cause me a migraine if I botch up model #5.  LOL!  Wait a minute...that's not funny. Crying

Eric

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Posted by subfixer on Tuesday, September 24, 2013 7:02 AM

Build some armor, it doesn't have to be pretty.

I'm from the government and I'm here to help.

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Posted by echolmberg on Tuesday, September 24, 2013 8:01 AM

Ha-ha-ha!!!  An excellent point!  One I had never even thought of.  I love the look of Patton tanks and wouldn't mind having one on my shelf but all those wheel thingies scare me.  I barely have enough of an attention span to paint all the yellow propellor tips on a B-36 or even a B-25 for that matter.  But maybe you're onto something....

Eric

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Posted by Duke Maddog on Tuesday, September 24, 2013 12:12 PM

I know how you feel and I can empathize with you on this. Almost every one of my models I work on I end up screwing up in some way. I try all the techniques that many of the masters employ and yet I always mess them up, despite how easy those Masters say these techniques are. I still bull through and get them finished, but my models are crap compared to so many others because for some reason, I can never get them to look as good as everyone else. Be glad you only screwed up 4. I have 17 models currently on the bench that are messed up in the ways you've mentioned.

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Posted by Compressorman on Tuesday, September 24, 2013 12:58 PM

I just finished assembling an Eduard Mig 21 and like you it takes me months to build a model. I was so sure this was going to be a really fine model once finished. So then I totally botched the camo paint job (which took days btw). It seems that everything I did went wrong. So I held my breath and totally repainted it and ended up using the wrong green for one of the colors!!! Not going to restart again so it will just have to remain wrong. I just chalked it up to a learning experience. So I know a little of what you are feeling.

Its not just you!! :)

Chris

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Posted by echolmberg on Tuesday, September 24, 2013 2:21 PM

I always forget how many "phases" a person goes through when they go through something like this.  I've already been through "denial" and "rage" and I think I'm finally moving into "acceptance" thanks to you guys.

Duke, my heart totally goes out to you, man.  Seventeen kits?  I would have a hard time getting up in the morning to face another day if I had 17 kits that were messed up rather than four.  

Now it's my turn to offer my own bit of support to both you and Chris as well.  About three years ago I built Monogram's F-89C Scorpion.  I was all done with the "build" part and now it was time for me to enter the "painting" phase.  Well, I screwed that one up royally.  The model carcass literally sat on my work bench for a year staring at me as I worked on other kits.  I finally built up enough nerve and stripped the paint off and tried it again.  Lo and behold, this time it worked out far better than my skill should allow.  Long story short, the rest of the paint and decals went on effortlessly and it turned out to be one of those builds that are now my pride and joy.  So you see?  It's possible to snatch victory from the serrated jaws of defeat.

Best wishes,

Eric

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Posted by the doog on Tuesday, September 24, 2013 8:44 PM

Take heart---there's an easy remedy for this bad streak of bad luck.

Switch to Armor! We call all that "weathering"! Wink

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Posted by waynec on Thursday, October 3, 2013 12:35 PM

make a "found after 50 years in the jungle" diorama

Никто не Забыт    (No one is Forgotten)
Ничто не Забыто  (Nothing is Forgotten)

 

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Posted by stikpusher on Thursday, October 3, 2013 3:33 PM

My God, what witch did you cross and ended up putting a hex on you and your modeling? I have had plenty of similar experiences, but not all in a row... wow...

 

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N is for NO SURVIVORS...

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Posted by Nathan T on Thursday, October 3, 2013 4:32 PM

Ouch!! And yeah..Going the ICM route was not a good choice given your luck, LOL!! All I can say is keep it simple til you're ready for some headaches. Stay away from foiling and build something with a simple camo scheme. Then when you get your *** back giver heck on the hard stuff..

 

 

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Posted by stikpusher on Thursday, October 3, 2013 5:43 PM

go get yourself a nice Tamiya Sherman. Build it in a weekend and paint it OD. Curse broken, moejoe returned and drive on...

 

F is for FIRE, That burns down the whole town!

U is for URANIUM... BOMBS!

N is for NO SURVIVORS...

       - Plankton

LSM

 

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Posted by allan on Thursday, October 3, 2013 9:14 PM

The one botched kit I will never forget was the 1/32 Revell OH-6 Cayuse I built in the 80s.  Had this great idea to cram a motor I salvaged from an aircraft carrier kit into the fuselage and rig it to the main rotors.  Carefully worked around the motor for a considerable amount of time, and finally finished the whole helo.  But I never did try to run the motor with the rotors on, and never considered if the thing was balanced.  So, here goes, fully assembled and painted and weathered kit, first time to power up the motor.  Motor runs well, helo vibrates wildly, churns uncontrollably and heads straight towards the wall.  Helo now in pieces.  But I moved on.

The others are correct; I too would advise you to pick a really simple kit, and just finish it as simple or as OOB as possible, without using fancy finishing/painting techniques.  Helps you to get your groove back.  

Or, if you really cant get over the kits you say youve botched, Id say get back to just one of them, and tackle and get to finish what youve left behind.  Once you do, youd feel proud enough to move on to the next project.

Hope this helps.

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Posted by mitsdude on Friday, October 4, 2013 3:05 AM

Timely topic!

Two hours ago I botched a kit I've been working on for 2 weeks. The Glencoe 3 stage ferry rocket. If you don't know this kit it has a horrible fit between the stages, typical 50's kit.

I puttied and sanded until I had a single stage looking rocket, not a seam in sight!

In preparation to paint it Alclad Stainless Steel I sprayed an under coat of gloss black. Problem was I hadn't attached the four tail fins yet. Also I neglected to prep the vertical slots in the rocket body where the fins go or the tabs on the tail fins that fit into these slots. In the process of sanding, gluing, fitting the painted tail fins into the painted body I created a horrible mess. I'd forgotten how gloss black surfaces pick up all kinds of garbage. Fingerprints, dust, debris from sanding, etc.

When I went to brush/sand this stuff off the paint just kind of smeared and streaked instead of sanding off. The paint felt dry to the touch but apparantly it wasn't.

I now have a "botched up" kit. I'm reluctant to use one of the paint removing methods out of fear it will destroy my seam work. I'm hopeful that if I let it sit for awhile the paint will cure enough to salvage this build.

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Posted by Bearcat57 on Friday, October 4, 2013 5:15 AM
Lord, and all this time I thought it was only me!
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Posted by Konigwolf13 on Friday, October 4, 2013 5:43 AM

Two ways to remove the paint that should not affect (effect?) your putty.

Enamel based paint Mr Muscle (in Australia, other counties use your preferred brand of) oven cleaner. Never had damage putty, or Brake fluid (never used so I cant comment)

Acrylic paint - rubbing alcohol/Methylated Spirits take if quick as again shouldn't damage anything.

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Posted by echolmberg on Tuesday, October 8, 2013 7:16 AM

I feel for all you guys.  We can all start our own support group based on our hard-luck stories!  Ha-ha-ha!

Just wanted to give a little update.  I'm working on the Revell 1/48 scale P-51B/C and it's going together so very nicely.  Revell/Monogram has always been my favorite brand.  Do they fall together like the shake-n-bake Tamiyas?  No, but they're most familiar to me.  Building one of their kits is like returning to your childhood home.  They might not be perfect but I love them and I can deal with them.  They're like your favorite old pair of shoes.  Well...for me they are.

Anyway, it's going together very nicely and with a BARE minimum of putty.  I'm talking just a teensy bit here and there applied with the tip of a toothpick.  That's the other thing, too.  This is the first time I'm using the Tamiya white putty that I picked up at Hobby Lobby last month.  A year or so ago I tried Tamiya's primer on a whim and I was like "WOW!"  Good stuff!  Now I'm trying their putty and my reaction is the same.  So it's nice to be working on a great and simple kit with equally great supplies.

My plan is to give it a silver base coat before applying the O.D. over neutral grey paint scheme.  Then I'll take some crumpled masking tape to the leading edges to lift some of the paint and expose the silver to simulate chipped paint.  I've only done some post shading once in my life on my Monogram 1/48 B-17G and was surprised/happy at how it turned out so I guess I'll give it another try.

I really need to post some pictures of my progress.  I'll try to do that sometime between now and the weekend.  Now I just need to find the time!  Ugh!

Eric

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Posted by stikpusher on Tuesday, October 8, 2013 1:22 PM

Glad to hear that your moejoe is returning with a bit of help from Revellogram...

 

F is for FIRE, That burns down the whole town!

U is for URANIUM... BOMBS!

N is for NO SURVIVORS...

       - Plankton

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Posted by flaver 2.0 on Sunday, October 13, 2013 3:57 PM
I lost my Moe Joe a few years ago. I decided to walk away for a while while, I concentrated on other hobbies. For 2 years my FSM and Tamiya magazines came and I flipped through them and binned them. I lost all interest. I had screwed up a couple models which i was just trying to get done to get them done. So I stopped , left one half done on the table.

2 years later I decided to try and get back into it, I was missing it. Most of my paints were dry airbrush was screwed, I couldn't even get into my account here, had to make a new one hence the 2.0. I had forgotten how to airbrush, weather you name it. I was starting over. So I found the hardest kit I could and screwed it up lol.

Perciverance paid off, I'm building the Bismarck 1/200 with aftermarket PE.

Sometimes you just need to step away for a while. Glad I did it before I lost all interest. Glad to be back at it.
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Posted by echolmberg on Thursday, October 17, 2013 10:26 AM

A little update:

Last night I was working on the 1/48 P-51B.  It’s actually coming along so very nicely (thank you, Revell/Monogram!!!).  The top is Olive Drab while the underside is Neutral Grey.  I weathered it with pastel chalks and faded paint to give it that sun-bleached weathered look.  Last night I applied the first light mist coat of clear gloss using a Model Master rattle can in anticipation of being able to apply the decals.  I just gave it a light coat so that the next coat would have something nice to grab onto.

After letting the first coat cure for about 15 or 20 minutes, I went back outside to apply the second coat.  I gave the can a good long shake and then started to apply the second coat.  “Holy cow!” I thought.  “That is REALLY reflective!”  And then I realized why it was so shiny and reflective.  It was because when I grabbed the rattle can, I didn’t check to see that I had accidentally grabbed the “Buffing Aluminum” by mistake!  At first I was hyperventilating with panic but then I thought “Oh yeah!  Thank God I applied a layer of clear lacquer first!”  I was able to use a paper towel with a little thinner on it to wipe away the aluminum.  The clear coat I had applied first wasn’t all that thick so it didn’t TOTALLY protect the underlying Olive Drab paint and weathering job but it provided just enough of a protection to keep it from turning into an utter disaster.  I was able to fix it up last night with some additional airbrush work.  Talk about snatching victory out of the jaws of defeat!

Eric

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Posted by stikpusher on Thursday, October 17, 2013 1:03 PM

attention  to detail there (labels) ;-)

 

F is for FIRE, That burns down the whole town!

U is for URANIUM... BOMBS!

N is for NO SURVIVORS...

       - Plankton

LSM

 

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Posted by Jon_a_its on Thursday, October 17, 2013 1:06 PM

They're not botched!....

They are a Learning Experience!

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