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Painting 1:700 clear plastic airplanes.
Posted by Alpha 43 on Friday, April 4, 2014 11:10 AM

I am building a model on aircraft carrier and bought the Trumpeter 1:700 scale F18's. My question is what is the best way to clean the parts and then paint them without losing my mind?

Thanks,

Earl

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Posted by armornut on Friday, April 4, 2014 5:00 PM

Soap and water to clean,  prime first with white or grey, then paint. clear  plastic for some reason seems difficult to paint, probably because it is transparent but patience ond many light coats usually do the trick.

we're modelers it's what we do

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Posted by TarnShip on Friday, April 4, 2014 8:46 PM

I am going to work with the idea that you have an airbrush, so if you don't, then just change this to meet your methods.

after you wash the parts, and rinse with Cold water, let the parts dry.

Mask off the canopy on each plane, then paint the plane overall in the interior color. After that dries, paint the plane in the bottom gray, let dry, then paint the plane in the top gray. If you have any trim colors, mask and spray those.

then remove the masking on the canopy, and you have the interior color showing through the clear, just as if you had painted the interior separately

if you try to do a "patchwork" of the interior color, that patchwork is what will show through the clear canopy bump, so don't shortcut that part

Rex

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Posted by Alpha 43 on Saturday, April 5, 2014 11:56 AM

Rex,

Thank you most kindly for this info. I have a lot of the F18's to paint for the USS George Washington, CVN 73 which I am now going to tackle starting with the Trumpeter USS Theodore Roosevelt CVN 71.

As this a 1:700 kit, I do not think that it will be easy for me to build this in a timely manner. My grandson is serving on the George Washington and I want to have it done when he come's home in early part of 2015. What is good for masking off such small canopy's?

Thanks Rex,

Earl

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Posted by Greg on Saturday, April 5, 2014 1:13 PM

Earl, you might want to check out Checkmateking02's posts of his tiny Hellcats from last year's US Carrier Aviatoin Group Build.

It starts here, you'll have to follow along from there.

cs.finescale.com/.../154052.aspx

CMK02's posts start a little past halfway down this page. I don't recall it taking him too long to finish them, so maybe not to many pages to forward through.

CMK02 did an outstanding job on his Hellcats, hope this might help.

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Posted by Don Stauffer on Sunday, April 6, 2014 11:21 AM

I just masked the canopies for the observation planes on a 1:350 cruiser. I used Tamiya tape and it worked fine.  In fact, I found more problems gluing the planes than painting them.  The stuff felt more like acrylic than styrene, and may have had some sort of mold release.

Don Stauffer in Minnesota

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Posted by Alpha 43 on Monday, April 7, 2014 9:04 AM

Greg,

Thanks for the link. I found it to be interesting and informative.

Earl

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Posted by Alpha 43 on Monday, April 7, 2014 9:08 AM

I was wondering about the type of material used. Also, why in the world do they make them in clear material?

Thanks Don,

Earl

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Posted by Greg on Monday, April 7, 2014 11:09 AM

Alpha 43

Greg,

Thanks for the link. I found it to be interesting and informative.

Earl

Glad to hear. You're welcome, Earl.

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Posted by TarnShip on Monday, April 7, 2014 4:57 PM

They make them in clear so that you can paint them in two or three layers as I posted.

The other options are colored plastic, which means you have to choose a paint for the canopy area that you think looks like a clear canopy when finished, or cutting off the canopy and making clear replacements. Clear plastic is actually the easiest way to provide the simplest option.

By the way, I have tried Silver paint, Metallic Blue paint, and the Gold metal decals,,,,,,unless you hit on just the perfect color that no one else has tried, you probably won't like the "paint that area shiny" method when you go back and look at your model two weeks after you finish it.

If you ever do a 1/350, you can then use separate clear canopies and get interior photo-etch sets from White Ensign Models and Gold Metal Models. Then you only have to paint the aircraft like a 1/48th kit,,,,,,,,,including reaching down into the cockpit with your brush.

Rex

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Posted by Alpha 43 on Tuesday, April 8, 2014 12:18 PM

Thanks Rex,

I really not looking forward to painting these small planes. But, I know that it needs to be done. Or I could leave them clear and say that they are the latest in stealth technology.

Earl

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Posted by checkmateking02 on Tuesday, April 8, 2014 3:47 PM

Earl,

welcome to the world of 1:700 aircraft!

Really, they aren't that bad.

In addition to the build Greg mentioned (thanks, Greg, by the way) I recently did four SBD Dauntlesses for USS Enterprise.  You can find them here, at Clemens's "Pacific Carrier Aviation GB":  cs.finescale.com/.../157781.aspx

I'll have to do more for the flight deck.

I haven't done any modern jets (although I have USS Nimitz waiting in the closet), but masking canopies shouldn't be too much different.

Good luck with them; and keep a good optometrist handy.

 

 

 

 

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Posted by Alpha 43 on Thursday, April 10, 2014 6:28 PM

Checkmateking02,

Thanks for the tip about the optometrist, I may just need one. I was not aware of Starfighter Decals, I am going to check them out.

Earl

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Posted by Falcon10275 on Friday, April 11, 2014 3:42 PM

oh man, 1/700 is really really small.  There really only is one way to tackle this problem, and that is make the aircraft bigger, then shrink them back down.    First to get those little suckers bigger , you are going to need a bucket full of propyl alcohol.  Then stir in corn starch and 2/3 liters of superPlex.   then put your airplanes in and let sit over night.    in the morning they will have grown to 1/48 scale.   now paint them and finish them.   Now you have to shrink.  This is the tough part.  take your planes and lay flat on parchment paper.   Take a spay bottle and spray  tropical tan tanning lotion all over model.  Now lay out in sun if the humidity is less than 45%.  After 72 hours the planes will have shrunk back down to 1/700.   there ya go.

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Posted by Texgunner on Sunday, April 13, 2014 12:16 AM

Falcon10275

oh man, 1/700 is really really small.  There really only is one way to tackle this problem, and that is make the aircraft bigger, then shrink them back down.    First to get those little suckers bigger , you are going to need a bucket full of propyl alcohol.  Then stir in corn starch and 2/3 liters of superPlex.   then put your airplanes in and let sit over night.    in the morning they will have grown to 1/48 scale.   now paint them and finish them.   Now you have to shrink.  This is the tough part.  take your planes and lay flat on parchment paper.   Take a spay bottle and spray  tropical tan tanning lotion all over model.  Now lay out in sun if the humidity is less than 45%.  After 72 hours the planes will have shrunk back down to 1/700.   there ya go.

You're drunk, right? 


"All you mugs need to get busy building, and post pics!"

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Posted by Don Stauffer on Sunday, April 13, 2014 12:09 PM

I got started in the days of wood model kits.  A few of the topnotch kits did have transparent canopies, but most did not.  The question of what to paint them was a big thing.  Some modelers used black, some used light blue, some used silver.  With any color, what the background was determined how well it looked. In a model show you often didn't know what color the ceilings would be.  If it were a windshield, like a bomber or airliner or multi-passenger light plane, gloss black was a good bet, but for canopies really nothing looked that good.  So to me the use of transparent material for aircraft to be carried on a ship is great.  I have bought aftermarket planes just because of that, when older carrier kits featured opague plastic planes.

Don Stauffer in Minnesota

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Posted by checkmateking02 on Sunday, April 13, 2014 10:34 PM

Alpha 43

Checkmateking02,

Thanks for the tip about the optometrist, I may just need one. I was not aware of Starfighter Decals, I am going to check them out.

Earl

 
Welcome, Earl.
 
One technique I've found with Starfighter Decals is not to use MicroSet on the model surface  before you apply the decals.  They seem to stick almost immediately, and are then difficult to position.
 
I've had better luck applying them with plain water.  You can then manipulate and slide them into position very easily.  After waiting maybe half an hour till the decal is dry in place, then I've dabbed on a little MicroSet; waited about half an hour and applied MicroSol.  It might not be necessary to do, but then after a couple more hours, I put on a second dab of MicroSol, and everything snuggles down very well.
 
Anyway, that's my experience with them, and I've been using them for a couple of years, now.
 
Starfighter Decals are excellent products, and Mark, the owner, has a wide variety of subjects.  I've used his 1/72 decals on some Coral Sea and Midway Navy aircraft.  They are just as good as the 1/700 stuff.
 
Again, good luck!  And show us some photos of your results!
 

 

 

 

 

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Posted by Alpha 43 on Monday, April 14, 2014 2:04 PM

Falcon,

I like your style! This is one suggestion that I have not received before. Do you think that the pro modelers are keeping secrets such as this one from us? My wife thinks that I am losing my mind as I just ordered the decals for these planes.

Earl

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Posted by Alpha 43 on Monday, April 14, 2014 2:10 PM

I think we all need a little bit of levity and not take ourselves so seriously. After all, modeling is supposed to be fun.

Earl

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Posted by Alpha 43 on Monday, April 14, 2014 2:19 PM

I have several 1:350 ships waiting to go into the shipyard for building. I just finished building the 1:400 Titanic and it is waiting for the acrylic case I am building for it. Then it's off to my armor for awhile.

Thanks Tex,

Earl

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Posted by Alpha 43 on Monday, April 14, 2014 2:29 PM

Thanks Checkmate,

I had intended to use the MicroSet as I always had good luck with it when I was building my model trains.  But after your experience , I will now use water to set the decals.I will post a picture when I have one completely done. Do you play chess?

Regards,

Earl

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Posted by checkmateking02 on Tuesday, April 15, 2014 9:44 AM

"Fair winds and following seas," with your nautical modeling experiences!

As for chess, I used to dabble in it in junior high (loooong ago).  And wasn't very good at it, besides.

"Checkmateking02" comes from "Combat!," the old TV show from the '60's with Vic Morrow and Rick Jason.

 

 

 

 

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Posted by Alpha 43 on Tuesday, April 15, 2014 3:54 PM

Wow, Combat was my favorite show when I was a teenager. Too bad about Vic, that was a terrible way to die. I used to play until my friends who played, passed away.

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Posted by Alpha 43 on Tuesday, April 15, 2014 3:57 PM

I built a lot of those stick models when I was a young kid.  They were a lot of fun, I'm surprised that my family and myself survived all of the dope( paint ) back then.

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Posted by checkmateking02 on Tuesday, April 15, 2014 4:56 PM
Alpha 43

Wow, Combat was my favorite show when I was a teenager. Too bad about Vic, that was a terrible way to die. I used to play until my friends who played, passed away.

 
 
 
"Combat!" lives on, in DVD.  I collected all the season several years ago as they were released--still  holds up after all these years; good scripts and acting with only a few clunkers throughout the show's run.
 
I agree about Vic Morrow; Rick Jason too.  He fatally shot himself one night (suicide).  Still, their influence lives on.  Last year I bought myself an airsoft AEG Thompson submachine gun sort of like Sergeant Saunders carried (although it's an M1A1, not a 1928 model).  It wreaks havoc on aluminum cans and plastic bottles!
 
My mother never let me have a toy one when I was a kid, so I'm compensating. 
 

 

 

 

 

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Posted by Alpha 43 on Thursday, April 17, 2014 10:05 AM

I did not know about Rick Jason, what a shame. I will have to check Amazon to see if they have the DVD's.

Earl

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Posted by Don Stauffer on Thursday, April 17, 2014 10:09 AM

Alpha 43

I built a lot of those stick models when I was a young kid.  They were a lot of fun, I'm surprised that my family and myself survived all of the dope( paint ) back then.

They're still available and better than ever. I still occasionally build one.  They went from having to cut out ribs and formers from the sheetwood yourself, to die-cut, to now laser cut which works much better than the die-cut, especially at the time in the run when the dies start getting dull :-(

Don Stauffer in Minnesota

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Posted by Alpha 43 on Thursday, April 17, 2014 10:25 AM

Don,

I saw on the news that you were buried with 19" of snow!! I like the PBY which they now have in their line and I saw it built without the covering at a hobby shop in Atlanta. Very impressive, I may have to look into it.

Best regards and keep that snow where you are.

Earl

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Posted by Silver on Thursday, April 17, 2014 11:03 AM
Don't worry much about the perfect paint job because regular brush painting will do fine.No one can't see through the cockpits and most of the clear molded aircraft are molded wrong or not to the exact scale.At a contest I seen judges eyes almost pop out looking at these very small models.One day I will super detail one of these small clear micro planes w/ open cockpits and engines.HA!Ha!.
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Posted by Silver on Thursday, April 17, 2014 11:08 AM
Also you can make on decal paper on lt blue background w/ micro lines drawn on to the blue and seal w/ Gloss then after drying cut out the small pattern and apply on.It worked for me on my 1/350 Yorktown.1st.Place every time coming from an aircraft modeler.
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