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New and interesting ways of simulating damage
Posted by BLACKSMITHN on Thursday, January 15, 2015 11:02 AM

I'm currently modeling a series of railroad flat cars loaded with collision damaged diesel locomotives and I'm looking for some new ways to simulate the damage. So far, I've used a soldering iron, a drill, needle nose pliers, various xacto blades, and lots of weathering paint and chalks. Not to mention a variety of styrene girders, rods, and "angle iron" to replicate the visibly spilled guts of the loco. I even hit the current one I'm working on with a hammer! Which resulted in a really interesting crack in the cab, by the way. Can anyone recommend any other ways to model damage? I feel like I'm starting to repeat myself and the last thing I want is for these all to start looking the same.  I've seen various armor and aircraft battle scars replicated and figure that, battle or collision, lots of it is hard to tell apart.

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Posted by goldhammer on Thursday, January 15, 2015 11:43 AM

How about a heat gun to soften up the plastic and then press against something hard while using a knife blade to get some sharp folds where it might have hit something solid and wrinkled the metal.

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Posted by Texgunner on Thursday, January 15, 2015 11:55 AM

To replicate some battle damage on this Panther A, I thinned the right front "fender" with my motor tool and then heated it with a hairdryer until soft and used pliers to bend it upwards.


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Posted by BLACKSMITHN on Thursday, January 15, 2015 12:33 PM

goldhammer and texgunner, I like your ideas! I'd been using a soldering iron as a heat source, but the problem there is you practically have to lay the iron on the plastic to get it to deform, and you lose a lot of detail that way. Plus, it tends to  make the "metal" look melted rather than dented.

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Posted by CN Spots on Thursday, January 15, 2015 5:23 PM

You could also replace some of the simple flat panels with thin metal sheets like brass, copper or heavy foil.  That way you could bend/damage them like real metal.

I tried googling "diesel train wreck" and all I got was photos of weed.  Apparently I missed a memo.

Have any pics of what you've done so far?

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Posted by BLACKSMITHN on Thursday, January 15, 2015 6:29 PM

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Posted by BLACKSMITHN on Thursday, January 15, 2015 6:31 PM

Well, that didn't work...Embarrassed Let's try this.

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Posted by BLACKSMITHN on Thursday, January 15, 2015 6:36 PM
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Posted by BLACKSMITHN on Thursday, January 15, 2015 7:06 PM

And here's a couple works in progress. These are more experiments than anything else, just to see what I can do. I know the Navy never had any GP 38s in their roster that i know of, but I happen to have a dozen shells that I acquired somewhere, long ago and I wanted to see what one might look like. The wrecking has yet to commence. I'll probably open a couple doors on the Navy loco, too, as I'm liking that look a lot.. Maybe put a couple askew, like they were bashed out of place by a rollover or something.

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Posted by tankerbuilder on Friday, January 16, 2015 9:13 AM

Hey ;

     Here's a story about one that resides on our museum layout . It's a GP38 that got " T " boned at a crossing . Source one heat gun , lotsa Evergreen chotshkis and plenty of loose looking stuff too . Back of diesel is sticking out of the shell through what were service doors . Rest of train is all over the place ! It's on a siding so it's out of the way . Aluminum was cut with louvers then cut to size of the doors on the body then crumpled in our hands .Hey , it worked. 

     Frame was re-built as a simple rectangle and bent in the middle One fuel tank was crushed and the other sits a scale 60 feet from the site .The other train was a steam loco . Smashed right up to the cab and firebox .One set of drivers is scattered by it as it leans ready to fall over . A double layer of baking foil was formed over a pvc pipe of the right size and crushed to simulate the damage it sustained .I didn't build it .I just saw the progress !

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Posted by BLACKSMITHN on Friday, January 16, 2015 9:43 AM

tankerbuilder-- I'm going to try something like that this weekend on the shell I hit with a hammer, if I can get my computer problems solved first. Nothing like a crashed hard drive to put thoughts of any other crash on the back burner!

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Posted by OctaneOrange on Friday, January 30, 2015 3:57 AM

goldhammer

How about a heat gun to soften up the plastic and then press against something hard while using a knife blade to get some sharp folds where it might have hit something solid and wrinkled the metal.

trouble is hot plastic doesn't bend like metal.

i did it that way about 10 years ago on my damaged mustang, and recently replaced some panels with heavy foil.

before

after

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Posted by OctaneOrange on Friday, January 30, 2015 3:58 AM

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Posted by goldhammer on Friday, January 30, 2015 12:54 PM

Agreed, nothing sims bent metal like bent metal, but that is why I suggested a sharp knife to get tighter sharper bends in the plastic when heated up.

Nice job on the fender by the way--from an auto body tech.Yes

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Posted by BLACKSMITHN on Monday, February 2, 2015 3:30 PM

I took OctaneOrange's advice and used heavy duty foil to form the rough body shapes and then basically annihilated them to simulate catastrophic damage to both ends of a diesel locomotive. So far, wowsers! It looks fantastic! I'll post a pic or 2 when I get it finished.

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Posted by BLACKSMITHN on Friday, February 6, 2015 6:07 PM

Thanks to OctaneOrange, here is my latest and greatest wreck yet:

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Posted by the doog on Friday, February 6, 2015 7:45 PM

Meaning no disrespect, but what is it?

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Posted by BLACKSMITHN on Friday, February 6, 2015 7:54 PM

That's what's left when a loco is sandwiched between an immovable object, like another train for instance, and the freight cars behind it. In other words, lots of wreckage!

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