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  • Member since
    February 2015
New Member - Question About Oil Washes
Posted by DominickS on Thursday, February 5, 2015 7:47 PM

Hello Everyone,

I just returned to the hobby (within the last year) after a 20, or so, year hiatus. I've been learning about modeling and finishing techniques on the various forums and on YouTube to help improve my developing skills. I've been doing a lot of figures, many of the old Aurora Universal Monsters from my childhood (isn't EBay wonderful) and an occasional other subject and increasing my build pile - which my wife kinda questions - oh well...

I just recently built Airfix's 1/48 BF 109 - it came out great (for my skills) but I used a clay based wash and I can see where a pin wash with oils would have been much better. Anyway, I have a few questions regarding oil washes. Mainly, how long should I let an oil wash, pin or general, dry before:

1) Removing the excess, and

2) Moving on to the next finishing step like dry brushing or further assembly

3) Applying a sealer coat over the top?

Thanks in advance for any help. 

Dominick

p.s. - I'll save my question on preventing acrylic paint from pulling up with the masking tape fro another post.

Dominick

On the bench: Airfix 1/48 ME bf109e & Strange Change Vampire

Up next: 1/48 Eduard FW 190 D-9 ProfiPACK

  • Member since
    October 2010
Posted by hypertex on Saturday, February 7, 2015 9:47 AM

I only do pin washes with oils, so these numbers may not apply to a "general" wash, but here are the numbers I use.

1) 0-15 minutes;

2) 15-30 minutes; or 24 hours if I am applying oils on top of oils;

3) 24 hours.

  • Member since
    April 2006
  • From: Denver, Colorado
Posted by waynec on Saturday, February 7, 2015 6:29 PM

i will oil wash a color and sometimes a second color right away. usually i wait least overnight. i\ prime with ACE HARDWARE NOW before airbrushing acrylics. No lift off even with Vallejo Air and silly putty. i don't spray a barrier between acrylic paint and oil wash. well maybe a bit od dulcoat if i have a silvering issue but usually nothing. no sealer coat either. not to brag but look uo UN UNIMOG in armor. it's UN white and all the weathering is oil over Tamiya.

Никто не Забыт    (No one is Forgotten)
Ничто не Забыто  (Nothing is Forgotten)

 

  • Member since
    January 2007
Posted by the doog on Sunday, February 8, 2015 8:19 AM

Dominick,

The best and most sincere advice I can give you on this topic is to experiment, perhaps on an older or junked model, to determine what will work best in your particular instance. It's honestly hard to give you a one-size-fits-all answer on drying times because those will depend on a myriad of factors, including the kind of thinner you use, the age of the paint, and even the atmostpheric conditions--humidity level, temperature, etc--on any given day.

These types of modeling questions are best answered by personal experience, with the caveat that there is no definite, "final" answer.

One thing I"ll add is tat most modelers that I've seen use waaaaay oo much sealer coat when it's ntirely mostly unnecessary, except for instances where you have an unwanted sheen of gloss, or when you need to protect weathering effects like filters when you're going to be scrubbing away a hairspray coat of paint to give radical chipping effects.

  • Member since
    April 2006
  • From: Denver, Colorado
Posted by waynec on Tuesday, February 10, 2015 9:22 AM

Hey Dominick

Here are some specifics from work on LOW SIDE GONDOLA. i put decals over an oil wash (I KNOW, I KNOW i seem to be so excited to get to weathering i forget the decals). anyway Sunday evening i put decals on, some sheen but not awful. Let them sit and 1600 Monday i put on a second wash of Winsor Newton Winton middle grade raw umber with Gemini odorless mineral spirits. At 1845 it was still a bit "greasy" to the touch but i mixed up some pastel rust for the metal and then mixed some mid gray pastels and streaked the wood over the still "damp" oil with no problems. checked this morning at 0800 and its dry. my stained basswood from Sunday still feels wet. i will check decals and, if no sheen on decals, will not overspray with dulcoat.

i live outside of Denver Colorado so we have low humidity, it was probably in the high 40s low 50s last night and i was in the basement bunker.

For monthly club contest theme, i will pull old models off the shelf, brush them down and apply an oil wash. With these i practice mixing some colors to try different effects. For example i took and sand colored Syrian SU-100 and mixed a bit of mid gray and ocher to get some hatch and fuel tank color differences. all the upper surfaces were washed with a thin white to create a faded paint look. mid gray was used for pin wash.on roadwheels, hatch hinges, bolts etc.

i find i don't have to be as "precise: with the paint color as i can darken it or lighten it with washes. just practice, willingness to experiment, and KNOWING WHEN TO STOP. if you think it's done, it really is done.step away from the oil paint and give it a couple of days.

Никто не Забыт    (No one is Forgotten)
Ничто не Забыто  (Nothing is Forgotten)

 

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